America doesn't exist

Ahnimus
Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
edited July 2007 in A Moving Train
No countries really exist. If you take a satellite image of North America, there is no labels on it, those labels are only on maps. Countries only exist because we want to partition ourselves. It's the result of in-group vs out-group hostility.

I'm tired of hearing "Then you hate America" how the hell can I hate a geographical area? I hate that people attribute personality traits and such to the geographical area, that's what I hate.
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  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Ahnimus wrote:
    No countries really exist. If you take a satellite image of North America, there is no labels on it, those labels are only on maps. Countries only exist because we want to partition ourselves. It's the result of in-group vs out-group hostility.

    I'm tired of hearing "Then you hate America" how the hell can I hate a geographical area? I hate that people attribute personality traits and such to the geographical area, that's what I hate.

    You can zoom in on that geographical area onto my house. That's the place that if you try to "unlabel it," you get shot. This is called personal property rights.

    Same for the U.S. It's ours because we say so.
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  • Rushlimbo
    Rushlimbo Posts: 832
    Ahnimus wrote:
    No countries really exist. If you take a satellite image of North America, there is no labels on it, those labels are only on maps. Countries only exist because we want to partition ourselves. It's the result of in-group vs out-group hostility.

    I'm tired of hearing "Then you hate America" how the hell can I hate a geographical area? I hate that people attribute personality traits and such to the geographical area, that's what I hate.

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism.... Patriotism assumes that our globe is divided into little spots, each one surrounded by an iron gate. Those who had the fortune of being born on some particular spot, consider themselves better, nobler, grander, more intelligent than the living beings inhabiting any other spot. It is, therefore, the duty of everyone living on that chosen spot to fight, kill, and die in the attempt to impose his superiority upon all others." Emma Goldman
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  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism.... Patriotism assumes that our globe is divided into little spots, each one surrounded by an iron gate. Those who had the fortune of being born on some particular spot, consider themselves better, nobler, grander, more intelligent than the living beings inhabiting any other spot. It is, therefore, the duty of everyone living on that chosen spot to fight, kill, and die in the attempt to impose his superiority upon all others." Emma Goldman

    We don't need to consider ourselves better than other people to be patriotic. That's a major gaff on Emma's part.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    We don't need to consider ourselves better than other people to be patriotic. That's a major gaff on Emma's part.


    So everyone is welcome here? Come one, come all?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Everyday you look at the evening news
    What you see is the same old story
    Depressing information always hits you in the face
    Tell me where, where it ends
    People fightin' with their children
    Children fightin' with their teachers
    People fightin' with each other
    We got to compromise

    And let the walls come down
    That separates you and me
    Let the walls come down
    We could be livin' in harmony
    If we wanna see the future
    We gotta stick together right away

    They're saving all their guns for a rainy day
    Just think about it
    Some are black and some are white
    Who's wrong and who's right
    Let's talk about it
    Tear down the fences that keep getting in our way

    And let the walls come down
    That separates you and me
    Let the walls come down
    We could be livin' in harmony
    If we wanna see the future
    We gotta stick together right away

    We need communication, love and jubilation
    Tear down the fences that keep getting in our way

    And let the walls come down
    That separates you and me
    Let the walls come down
    We could be livin' in harmony
    If we wanna see the future
    We gotta stick together right away
    Johnny Kemp - Let the walls come down ;)
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  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    We don't need to consider ourselves better than other people to be patriotic. That's a major gaff on Emma's part.

    Patriotism: Good
    Nationalism: Bad
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  • ArmsinaV
    ArmsinaV Posts: 108
    Ahnimus wrote:
    No countries really exist. If you take a satellite image of North America, there is no labels on it, those labels are only on maps. Countries only exist because we want to partition ourselves. It's the result of in-group vs out-group hostility.

    I'm tired of hearing "Then you hate America" how the hell can I hate a geographical area? I hate that people attribute personality traits and such to the geographical area, that's what I hate.

    Wow.

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Everyday you look at the evening news
    What you see is the same old story
    Depressing information always hits you in the face
    Tell me where, where it ends
    People fightin' with their children
    Children fightin' with their teachers
    People fightin' with each other
    We got to compromise

    And let the walls come down
    That separates you and me
    Let the walls come down
    We could be livin' in harmony
    If we wanna see the future
    We gotta stick together right away

    They're saving all their guns for a rainy day
    Just think about it
    Some are black and some are white
    Who's wrong and who's right
    Let's talk about it
    Tear down the fences that keep getting in our way

    And let the walls come down
    That separates you and me
    Let the walls come down
    We could be livin' in harmony
    If we wanna see the future
    We gotta stick together right away

    We need communication, love and jubilation
    Tear down the fences that keep getting in our way

    And let the walls come down
    That separates you and me
    Let the walls come down
    We could be livin' in harmony
    If we wanna see the future
    We gotta stick together right away
    Johnny Kemp - Let the walls come down ;)

    Nice :)
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Nice :)

    I like it from the first TMNT movie. I tried to find a youtube vid, but none there :(
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I like it from the first TMNT movie. I tried to find a youtube vid, but none there :(

    The Turtles?! :D I used to love everything TMNT...the cartoon, action figures, the movies and video games. Yes, I have always been a nerd. :p
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Ahnimus wrote:
    No countries really exist. If you take a satellite image of North America, there is no labels on it, those labels are only on maps. Countries only exist because we want to partition ourselves. It's the result of in-group vs out-group hostility.

    I'm tired of hearing "Then you hate America" how the hell can I hate a geographical area? I hate that people attribute personality traits and such to the geographical area, that's what I hate.

    Actually the land, and environment does play a role in shaping our personalities inasmuch in the way that we learn to live within it.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    You can zoom in on that geographical area onto my house. That's the place that if you try to "unlabel it," you get shot. This is called personal property rights.

    Same for the U.S. It's ours because we say so.

    You don't own a home.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    The Turtles?! :D I used to love everything TMNT...the cartoon, action figures, the movies and video games. Yes, I have always been a nerd. :p

    ;)
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=0kp26vKAsVo
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Ahnimus wrote:
    ;)
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=0kp26vKAsVo

    Haha! Awesome! That song reminds me of the group that did the Humpty Dance although I'm pretty sure it's not the same people. :D
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    We don't need to consider ourselves better than other people to be patriotic.

    Yes you do. You do it every day. Americans love flying flags all over the place, and even your kids have to pledge allegiance to the flag everyday at school. There's also loads of subtle chest thumping going everyday in your media, whether on the news, or in movies. You may not even always recognize it, but it's there working away every day.
  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Yes you do. You do it every day. Americans love flying flags all over the place, and even your kids have to pledge allegiance to the flag everyday at school. There's also loads of subtle chest thumping going everyday in your media, whether on the news, or in movies. You may not even always recognize it, but it's there working away every day.

    That may be true, but the subtle chest thumping and all the "America is number 1 stuff" strikes me as nationalism more than patriotism. You can be patriotic without the arrogance. It's just not practiced a lot.
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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Yes you do. You do it every day. Americans love flying flags all over the place, and even your kids have to pledge allegiance to the flag everyday at school. There's also loads of subtle chest thumping going everyday in your media, whether on the news, or in movies. You may not even always recognize it, but it's there working away every day.


    how does that show that we think we're *better*.....? :confused:
    seriously?
    flying flags, kids saying the pledge of allegiance, in and of themselves...do not say *we're better*.....simply, patriotism, love of country, where you're from....?

    anyway, i agree with the initial premise, NO countries *exist* in the sense the thread starter discusses, but sure....they do exist, like many things of human construct, for good or for bad.


    btw - i just dislike sentences that begin with 'yea you do' especially followed by '*you* do it every day'........whether directed at me or anyone else. :) i don't consider myself or my country *better* than anyone or anywhere else.....we have more in common than not...and i enjoy all the differences in any case.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Ahnimus wrote:
    No countries really exist. If you take a satellite image of North America, there is no labels on it, those labels are only on maps. Countries only exist because we want to partition ourselves. It's the result of in-group vs out-group hostility.

    I'm tired of hearing "Then you hate America" how the hell can I hate a geographical area? I hate that people attribute personality traits and such to the geographical area, that's what I hate.

    absolutely fuck yeah right on the money!

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