Gore's 'Truth' restricted at schools

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edited January 2007 in A Moving Train
FEDERAL WAY - The school board in this suburb south of Seattle has restricted showings of Al Gore's movie on global warming, including requiring that it be balanced with an adequate opposing viewpoint.

The board also required Superintendent Tom Murphy to approve when the former vice president's film, "An Inconvenient Truth," can be presented.

The decision was sparked by complaints from parents who said their child was taking the film as fact after viewing it at school.

"Condoms don't belong in school, and neither does Al Gore. He's not a schoolteacher," said Frosty Hardison, a parent of seven who doesn't want the film shown at all.

"The information that's being presented is a very cockeyed view of what the truth is," Hardison told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. "The Bible says that in the end times everything will burn up, but that perspective isn't in the DVD."

Board President Ed Barney told The News Tribune of Tacoma on Wednesday that he'd received about a half-dozen complaints from parents.

"We have to ensure that our schools are not being used to politically indoctrinate anyone," said board member Dave Larson, who with Barney and board member Charlie Hoff voted Tuesday for the requirements.

None has seen the movie. District policy, however, requires that an opposing view be aired whenever a controversial issue is examined in school.

"I am shocked that a school district would come to this decision," the movie's co-producer, Laurie David, said in a prepared statement. "There is no opposing view to science, which is fact, and the facts are clear that global warming is here, now."

Gore's documentary has received approval from some of the nation's top climate scientists for its accuracy.

In it, he presents scientists' findings on the catastrophic dangers of climate change.

Federal researchers with the National Academy of Sciences have said the planet's temperature has climbed to levels not seen in thousands of years, and has begun to affect plants and animals.

But Larson offered two opposing articles, including one by author John Stossel that said many scientists discredit global warming predictions. He also cited NASA and NOAA Web sites referring to debate and disagreement over climate change.

The film also has been denied a showing at Tacoma's Remann Hall, a high school for juvenile offenders, where Principal Rue Palmer denied a teacher's request.

The film hasn't been approved by the Tacoma district's curriculum committee. The school also focuses on core subjects and doesn't generally show films, explained Patti Holmgren, Tacoma School District spokeswoman.

The National Science Teachers Association turned down an offer from the film's producers for 50,000 free DVDs for classroom use. The association said it didn't want to be seen as politically endorsing the film or open itself to requests from other special interests.



Words can't describe the ridiculousness of this story. These bible thumpers are completely out of control.

I also wonder if it weren't Al Gore presenting the facts (and lets not foget these are facts he's presenting) if there would be as much uproar.

fuck this school board for contributing to the ignorance of america.
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    bryanfury wrote:
    FEDERAL WAY - The school board in this suburb south of Seattle has restricted showings of Al Gore's movie on global warming, including requiring that it be balanced with an adequate opposing viewpoint.

    The board also required Superintendent Tom Murphy to approve when the former vice president's film, "An Inconvenient Truth," can be presented.

    The decision was sparked by complaints from parents who said their child was taking the film as fact after viewing it at school.

    "Condoms don't belong in school, and neither does Al Gore. He's not a schoolteacher," said Frosty Hardison, a parent of seven who doesn't want the film shown at all.

    "The information that's being presented is a very cockeyed view of what the truth is," Hardison told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. "The Bible says that in the end times everything will burn up, but that perspective isn't in the DVD."

    I stopped reading after that. I have no problem with giving a opposing view (what would that be - a talk from executives from Shell and GM? :rolleyes: ) but let's not bring religion into public schools.
  • bryanfurybryanfury Posts: 460
    cutback wrote:
    I stopped reading after that. I have no problem with giving a opposing view (what would that be - a talk from executives from Shell and GM:rolleyes:) but let's not bring religion into public schools.

    exactly! i was so mad i actually emailed that board. what a complete shame that a school is ignoring fact in favor of religion.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    bryanfury wrote:
    exactly! i was so mad i actually emailed that board. what a complete shame that a school is ignoring fact in favor of religion.

    I haven't seen Gore's movie, but the impression I get from the greenpeacers is that they ignore facts for other facts.

    But it feels really good to try and save the world doesn't it?

    We should rephrase that "Save the planet" to "Save humankind". If anything we are killing ourselves, not the planet. When activists attribute names to things they aren't suited for, it raises my skepticism.

    Such as the terms "pro-choice" and "pro-life". They aren't antonymous with each other, "pro-life" should be "pro-mandate" or "pro-control". Clearly "pro-lifers" aren't interested in preserving all cellular life, they would be dead from starvation. So, what they are really in favor of is control, dictatorship over the moral judgement of abortion.

    It's all designed to fuck with our heads.
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  • I recall a longt time ago, a school district refused to allow "Eddie Eagle" the NRA's huge eagle mascot thing that teaches kids what to do if they find a gun, reporting it, safety etc.

    Although there's supposedly no politics in it, I'm sure it might get in there. Just like Gores flick.
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Wow. The whole 'condoms don't belong in school' quote is sorta, I unno, funny coming from a parent of seven.
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  • dana_bdana_b Posts: 141
    bryanfury wrote:
    FEDERAL WAY - The school board in this suburb south of Seattle has restricted showings of Al Gore's movie on global warming, including requiring that it be balanced with an adequate opposing viewpoint.



    The National Science Teachers Association turned down an offer from the film's producers for 50,000 free DVDs for classroom use. The association said it didn't want to be seen as politically endorsing the film or open itself to requests from other special interests.


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    Haha! But it's okay for the NSTA to take money from other special interest groups (Exxon) who may have BIGGER reasons for not wanting the film shown.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/24/AR2006112400789_pf.html

    "And it has been doing so for longer than you may think. NSTA says it has received $6 million from the company since 1996, mostly for the association's "Building a Presence for Science" program, an electronic networking initiative intended to "bring standards-based teaching and learning" into schools, according to the NSTA Web site. Exxon Mobil has a representative on the group's corporate advisory board. And in 2003, NSTA gave the company an award for its commitment to science education.

    So much for special interests and implicit endorsements.

    In the past year alone, according to its Web site, Exxon Mobil's foundation gave $42 million to key organizations that influence the way children learn about science, from kindergarten until they graduate from high school.

    And Exxon Mobil isn't the only one getting in on the action. Through textbooks, classroom posters and teacher seminars, the oil industry, the coal industry and other corporate interests are exploiting shortfalls in education funding by using a small slice of their record profits to buy themselves a classroom soapbox.

    NSTA's list of corporate donors also includes Shell Oil and the American Petroleum Institute (API), which funds NSTA's Web site on the science of energy. There, students can find a section called "Running on Oil" and read a page that touts the industry's environmental track record -- citing improvements mostly attributable to laws that the companies fought tooth and nail, by the way -- but makes only vague references to spills or pollution. NSTA has distributed a video produced by API called "You Can't Be Cool Without Fuel," a shameless pitch for oil dependence."
  • bryanfury wrote:
    I also wonder if it weren't Al Gore presenting the facts (and lets not foget these are facts he's presenting) if there would be as much uproar.

    fuck this school board for contributing to the ignorance of america.

    They are not facts, but ridiculously exaggerated assumptions. Let's not forget that many scientists do not agree with Gore's inconvenient lies:

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008597

    At least allow the classrooms to present viewpoints from global warming skeptics. You are being what you accuse the school board of being: ignorant. If you do not allow intelligent, informed debate on scientific issues, you force extremely unscientific facts. It is incredibly ignorant to assume that global warming is scientific fact, much less that Gore's movie is completely factual.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    They are not facts, but ridiculously exaggerated assumptions. Let's not forget that many scientists do not agree with Gore's inconvenient lies:

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008597

    At least allow the classrooms to present viewpoints from global warming skeptics. You are being what you accuse the school board of being: ignorant. If you do not allow intelligent, informed debate on scientific issues, you force extremely unscientific facts. It is incredibly ignorant to assume that global warming is scientific fact, much less that Gore's movie is completely factual.

    Well, I'm one who believes in the factual nature of Global Warming. Where I start taking issue with the fearmongers is how rapidly we're warming. The cause of the warming (cyclical nature vs. man-made). Whether the warming is reversable or not. The solution to that warming if it is.

    Rather than show the kids something from one point of view -- that we've caused it, it is increasing exposnentially year after year, and we can fix it, BUT only if we act RIGHT NOW!!!!! -- how about show something that is more a survey of current scientific thought?
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  • "Condoms don't belong in school, and neither does Al Gore. He's not a schoolteacher,"

    - Reason #1 why teenage pregnancy is at an uncomfortably high level and why kids are so goddamn uninformed about anything dealing with the reproductive cycle - this attitude.

    Funny how those people say that the biblical perspective isn't taught so neither should global warming..

    Funny seeing as how one is based on research, fact, science.. and the other based on bullshit mythology.

    Guess which is which.

    Gore's movie is a good teaching tool. Here's how it should work..

    "Okay kids this is part of the theory behind global warming.. it's sort of biased but the information is very good."

    And then compare it to other research.
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  • jeffbr wrote:
    Well, I'm one who believes in the factual nature of Global Warming. Where I start taking issue with the fearmongers is how rapidly we're warming. The cause of the warming (cyclical nature vs. man-made). Whether the warming is reversable or not. The solution to that warming if it is.

    Rather than show the kids something from one point of view -- that we've caused it, it is increasing exposnentially year after year, and we can fix it, BUT only if we act RIGHT NOW!!!!! -- how about show something that is more a survey of current scientific thought?

    If we want to have an informed, educated future for kids, I think that's a good idea.
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  • Do these parents not trust that the teachers teaching their children would be able to present an opposing view after watching such a movie? Any good teacher should present all sides of an argument in order for the children to choose for themselves what they do and do not believe, especially if they intend to spark a discussion or debate about controversial issues. Neglecting to show the movie at all doesn't solve a thing.
  • Do these parents not trust that the teachers teaching their children would be able to present an opposing view after watching such a movie? Any good teacher should present all sides of an argument in order for the children to choose for themselves what they do and do not believe, especially if they intend to spark a discussion or debate about controversial issues. Neglecting to show the movie at all doesn't solve a thing.


    Don't feel bad for not knowing this, your Canadian. But here in America, we unfortunately don't have any good teachers. :(

    Our educational system is complete shit, yet we continue to pump dollar after dollar into the pockets of teacher unions and educators who are vastly underqualified to wait tables.
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  • And then compare it to other research.

    Exactly
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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    Breaking Newsflash: Debbie Does Dallas Restricted in Sex Ed Class

    School boards across America are passing up on the offer of free porn. The porn was being offered by the porn industry as a teaching aid for students to learn from. The ACLU is now investigating why gay porn was also targeted by the school boards as restricted teaching materials.

    Maybe the school boards just turned down An Inconvenient Truth because it's skewed and full of errors and is not a valuable teaching tool. It's just about as factual as The Day After Tomorrow.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    Don't feel bad for not knowing this, your Canadian. But here in America, we unfortunately don't have any good teachers. :(

    Our educational system is complete shit, yet we continue to pump dollar after dollar into the pockets of teacher unions and educators who are vastly underqualified to wait tables.

    I take offense at the we don't have any good teachers. I know a lot of good teachers; however, we have a terrible SYSTEM. We don't want kids to learn, we want them to be able to pass some test that says they can memorize A, B, and C so we can show that kids know something. The system is turning out kids who can't think critically and aren't taught to think critically b/c it can't be assesed. We've made it into an environment of regurgitaion of "fact" so that students can graduate, teachers can keep their job, and schools won't lose money or independence. If your job and autonomy depended on kids passing a standardized test my guess is you'd teach in the same manner.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222

    Gore's movie is a good teaching tool. Here's how it should work..

    "Okay kids this is part of the theory behind global warming.. it's sort of biased but the information is very good."

    And then compare it to other research.

    if global warming isn't a checkbox for a standard for NCLB you can bet it won't be introduced into schools.
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  • chopitdown wrote:
    I take offense at the we don't have any good teachers. I know a lot of good teachers; however, we have a terrible SYSTEM. We don't want kids to learn, we want them to be able to pass some test that says they can memorize A, B, and C so we can show that kids know something. The system is turning out kids who can't think critically and aren't taught to think critically b/c it can't be assesed. We've made it into an environment of regurgitaion of "fact" so that students can graduate, teachers can keep their job, and schools won't lose money or independence. If your job and autonomy depended on kids passing a standardized test my guess is you'd teach in the same manner.


    hmmm, I can see what your saying.

    Watch the stupid in america thread I started.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    hmmm, I can see what your saying.

    Watch the stupid in america thread I started.

    i'll check it out later...i'm stuck at the library and this is my 10 minute break before I go back to more work.
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  • chopitdown wrote:
    i'll check it out later...i'm stuck at the library and this is my 10 minute break before I go back to more work.

    You work at a library?
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    I think that showing another viewpoint would be good, maybe what also could happen, or other reasons for it happening, etc... but this guy wants the BIBLICAL reason taught. Now come on, there's no reason for that.
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  • I think that showing another viewpoint would be good, maybe what also could happen, or other reasons for it happening, etc... but this guy wants the BIBLICAL reason taught. Now come on, there's no reason for that.

    Yeah. If he's right, then the Koranic version should also be taught. I have problems with that.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    You work at a library?

    nope, i'm doing work at a library...if i did work at home right now...i'd be sleeping.
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  • yield2meyield2me Posts: 1,291
    I can't believe they wouldn't let Gore's movie in....I mean after all, he invented the internet! ;)
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  • bryanfury wrote:
    "Condoms don't belong in school, and neither does Al Gore. He's not a schoolteacher," said Frosty Hardison, a parent of seven who doesn't want the film shown at all.

    "The information that's being presented is a very cockeyed view of what the truth is," Hardison told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. "The Bible says that in the end times everything will burn up, but that perspective isn't in the DVD."

    Shouldn't someone who is named after a Snowman be in favor of stopping global warming? :)

    I have not seen the movie, but would like to. I don't doubt that some facts are slanted towards the movie's point of view. However, my wife took an environmental geology class this past summer, and the professor has done extensive research working on some canadian glaciers that he has written books and journal articles about. He felt so strongly and in favor of the movie that he gave his students the option of seeing the movie and writing a paper about it to replace any homework assignment.

    I don't see the harm in showing it in science classes, as long as it is put in context and discussed.
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Yeah. If he's right, then the Koranic version should also be taught. I have problems with that.

    Exactly. I have problem with ANY religious version being taught.
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  • is this even real? are you sure this isn't from the onion?
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Wow. The whole 'condoms don't belong in school' quote is sorta, I unno, funny coming from a parent of seven.

    I was laughing when I read this...course he'll tell you they are all special.
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