yes i know it says in genesis how old Noah was. but remember it says a lot of things in the bible that may not be necessarily so as we know it.
don't think i am some sort of biblical apologist. i am deconstructing it as i would any work of fiction.
If in Genesis, we are to interpret 'day' to incorporate millions of years, then why would the meaning of 'day' change (in Genesis, to Christian revisionists), to mean also, a 24-hour day? yom is the hebrew word for day translated.
If in Genesis, we are to interpret 'day' to incorporate millions of years, then why would the meaning of 'day' change (in Genesis, to Christian revisionists), to mean also, a 24-hour day? yom is the hebrew word for day translated.
ever heard an elder person say, 'in my day' ?
what time frame do you reckon they were talking about?
and where does it say we are to interpret 'day' as millions of years? but you know gue, this misunderstanding about what constitutes the actual length of a day could actually mean that Man not God were the actual authors of the bible and that it is the word of Man not God. which would mean.....ah forget it. i'm just amusing myself.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
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i just need to say
ever heard an elder person say, 'in my day' ?
what time frame do you reckon they were talking about?
and where does it say we are to interpret 'day' as millions of years? but you know gue, this misunderstanding about what constitutes the actual length of a day could actually mean that Man not God were the actual authors of the bible and that it is the word of Man not God. which would mean.....ah forget it. i'm just amusing myself.
Have you even clicked the link?
lol.
here:
...Genesis 1 seems to be the only place where many Christians would argue concerning the meaning of the Hebrew word day (yom). For instance, do Christians ever spend hours arguing about how long Joshua took to march around Jericho? Could it have been a million years or a hundred thousand years, or did he march around in a day? Of course Christians don’t spend time arguing about this because they know what the word day means in context in regard to this section of Scripture.
Again, we need to ask the question as to why Christians seem to argue about the meaning of the word day in Genesis 1 to the exclusion of all of the other times the word day is used in the Old Testament.
In fact, a good question to ask people who argue about the meaning of the word in Genesis, is to answer the question as to when does the word day actually mean a literal 24-hour day? Most people do not have an answer to this. Many Christians are quick to say that the word day cannot mean an ordinary day in Genesis, and yet they don’t know the answer as to when the word day in context should be interpreted as an ordinary day. This is a very important thing to point out. The Hebrew language, like any other language, has certain rules of grammar that clarify the precise meaning of each word. This applies to the word day as well as any other word.
...Genesis 1 seems to be the only place where many Christians would argue concerning the meaning of the Hebrew word day (yom). For instance, do Christians ever spend hours arguing about how long Joshua took to march around Jericho? Could it have been a million years or a hundred thousand years, or did he march around in a day? Of course Christians don’t spend time arguing about this because they know what the word day means in context in regard to this section of Scripture.
Again, we need to ask the question as to why Christians seem to argue about the meaning of the word day in Genesis 1 to the exclusion of all of the other times the word day is used in the Old Testament.
In fact, a good question to ask people who argue about the meaning of the word in Genesis, is to answer the question as to when does the word day actually mean a literal 24-hour day? Most people do not have an answer to this. Many Christians are quick to say that the word day cannot mean an ordinary day in Genesis, and yet they don’t know the answer as to when the word day in context should be interpreted as an ordinary day. This is a very important thing to point out. The Hebrew language, like any other language, has certain rules of grammar that clarify the precise meaning of each word. This applies to the word day as well as any other word.
yes? and?
i imagine that time did not exist before God made the earth and heavens. so time as we know it is only applicable to a space as we know it - Earth.
how many days or what constitutes a day would be irrelevant to the human concept of such a timelength as humans did not exist at that time. this could be why it is not as disputable, or less so, later on in the bible.
who the hell even wrote genesis anyway? moses? so where did he get the story from? oral testimony or written? what it some lore passed down through the generations until moses decided to write the story down?
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
yes? and?
i imagine that time did not exist before God made the earth and heavens. so time as we know it is only applicable to a space as we know it - Earth.
how many days or what constitutes a day would be irrelevant to the human concept of such a timelength as humans did not exist at that time. this could be why it is not as disputable, or less so, later on in the bible.
who the hell even wrote genesis anyway? moses? so where did he get the story from? oral testimony or written? what it some lore passed down through the generations until moses decided to write the story down?
The revisionists would have you believe that genesis encompasses our modern belief that the world is millions of years old. But, they can't have it both ways in translation of the text, particularly when it comes to the word, "day."
Another reason I consider this to be a children's museum. It's Mickey Mouse.
The revisionists would have you believe that genesis encompasses our modern belief that the world is millions of years old. But, they can't have it both ways in translation of the text, particularly when it comes to the word, "day."
Another reason I consider this to be a children's museum. It's Mickey Mouse.
i know the believers are clutching at straws. thats all one can do when one relies on faith.
and that brings up an important question.
were there mice on the ark?
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take a good look
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No one assigned the task of judging other people's beliefs to me.
On the other hand... if you are a selfish, nasty, decietful person who tries to convince me of your righteousness because of your religion... whatever religion, including the belief in non-belief... I'm seeing through you and taking your word for what it's worth... which ain't much.
I agree with you.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I've said it before and I'll say it again, this has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.
Furthermore, it's pure religious bullshit propaganda... this isn't about sharing beliefs or anything... it's a propaganda machine made to brainwash people, especially kids.
Disgusting, imo.
But hey, if people want to go there ... who am I to criticize them?
I wonder how long it'll take before parent start urging schools to visit the "museum".
By the way, did you know lions were designed with sharp claws not to tear their prey open but to climb trees?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
lol...I used to run home practically every day for lunch in grades 4,5,6 just to catch the Flintstones...that and Rocket Robin hood.
Well....I suppose if Dino could fit in the family car...the ark must have been a breeze.
I'd like to watch Noah lasso and wrestle a T-rex... he must have been badass..
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
When I go to the museum here in Los Angeles... i see little school kids on a field trip... just like the ones I used to love to go on as a kid.
Does this being a 'museum' count? If I had a kid, I'd be kinda concerned if his/her class planned a trip to it. I would want him/her to go... only because I remember the excitement I felt as a kid... but, this particular museum... I don't know. I think I would suggest to the school a nice little trip to the zoo, instead.
....
And it's NOT just because it's Christian. If the Scientologists built a museum that 'proves' their point of view was right... or the Muslims built a museum with their 'proof'... I would feel exactly the same.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
When I go to the museum here in Los Angeles... i see little school kids on a field trip... just like the ones I used to love to go on as a kid.
Does this being a 'museum' count? If I had a kid, I'd be kinda concerned if his/her class planned a trip to it. I would want him/her to go... only because I remember the excitement I felt as a kid... but, this particular museum... I don't know. I think I would suggest to the school a nice little trip to the zoo, instead.
....
And it's NOT just because it's Christian. If the Scientologists built a museum that 'proves' their point of view was right... or the Muslims built a museum with their 'proof'... I would feel exactly the same.
I don't think I'd let my kid go. I'd take him to another museum instead, or like you said, the zoo.
I am a Christian, so I respect the Bible INCLUDING Genesis, but I can't help thinking that some of these Conservative types make us look like total idiots.
'Answers in Genesis'? Maybe. Scientific answers? No, and nor were they ever meant to be.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
I am a Christian, so I respect the Bible INCLUDING Genesis, but I can't help thinking that some of these Conservative types make us look like total idiots.
'Answers in Genesis'? Maybe. Scientific answers? No, and nor were they ever meant to be.
...
That's along the lines that I'm thinkin'. I mean, your spirituality, faith and beliefs come from the heart.. not the brain. The same way miracles cannot be explained, your faith cannot be explained either.
I think they'd be better serve their religion by simply accepting faith as faith and quit trying to make religion a science. They really do look like fools with the teenage vegetarian dinosaurs on the Ark with Noah thing. It's fine and dandy to build this display to illustrate your belief... but, please... just call it what it is... an amusement park, not a museum.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
People need to draw a firm line between faith and science. They are not compatible.
I see nothing wrong with a museum of Christianty. I think it would be very interesting. But this museum is saying that science supports their claims. This is absolutely false. This is the problem with this museum. As an academic expert in evolution and a museum professional this offends me.
Many people see museums (excluding silly vaudevillian things like wax museums) and think words like "truth" and "knowledge" and "education". The fact that this museum offers none of these cheapens my profession.
"Science has proof without certainty... Religion has certainty without proof"
-Ashley Montagu
People need to draw a firm line between faith and science. They are not compatible.
Spirituality and science are entirely compatible in reality--they exist in perfect harmony all around us. The incompatibility comes with thought processes that make what is natural and harmonious, incompatible. The conflict within the individual is very different than the conflict inherent to nature, herself.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Spirituality and science are entirely compatible in reality--they exist in perfect harmony all around us. The incompatibility comes with thought processes that make what is natural and harmonious, incompatible. The conflict within the individual is very different than the conflict inherent to nature, herself.
If you are a good scientist, you work without bias to determine the most logical conclusions and explanations. Spirituality always comes with an inherant bias. You cannot explain anything factually if you are being influenced by personal faith based beliefs because others will have their own spiritual biases. Therefore, we would have no system for verifying, authenticating, or disprooving others work.
I agree you can have a spiritual view of the world, but that is your own interpretation. It is unique and special to you. The real world however works in ways which are set in stone as a series of natural laws. Your own beliefs affect how you view those laws, but do not affect the laws themselves. Science is concerned with understanding those natural laws by detaching yourself from those faith based beliefs.
You can still have spiritual beliefs, but scientists, or should I say 'good' scientists leave those beliefs at home and look at things objectively and seek approval from other scientists to ensure that they are doing so.
"Science has proof without certainty... Religion has certainty without proof"
-Ashley Montagu
What the 'scientist' at this 'museum' are doing is allowing their faith based conclusions to explain the science, when they should be using objective science to produce conclusions that may or may not fit their beliefs.
"Science has proof without certainty... Religion has certainty without proof"
-Ashley Montagu
I think that this book they're selling in their giftshop says it all:
"What do aliens, dinosaurs and gay marriage have in common? Discover the connection, and how to respond, in this amazing new book from AiG. Bulk discounts available"
I don't know what the answer is, but I'm sure its very scientific and hilarious.
"Science has proof without certainty... Religion has certainty without proof"
-Ashley Montagu
I think that this book they're selling in their giftshop says it all:
"What do aliens, dinosaurs and gay marriage have in common? Discover the connection, and how to respond, in this amazing new book from AiG. Bulk discounts available"
I don't know what the answer is, but I'm sure its very scientific and hilarious.
Q. what do aliens, dinosaurs, and gay marriage have in common?
A. you can get a good belly laugh listening to a Christian's take on all of these subjects.
If you are a good scientist, you work without bias to determine the most logical conclusions and explanations. Spirituality always comes with an inherant bias. You cannot explain anything factually if you are being influenced by personal faith based beliefs because others will have their own spiritual biases. Therefore, we would have no system for verifying, authenticating, or disprooving others work.
I completely understand what you are saying within the confines of science. And I support that and understand the necessity. Science has specific parameters that I applaud.
However, I don't support anyone imposing science on anyone's worldview. These people have not committed to a science view as a worldview, even though they are using some fact. I support people being true to who they are and their beliefs, because frankly that's the only healthy choice. I use facts, logic and I've developed objectivity AND subjectivity, and have integrated them. And I've consistently worked on my own bias. I value science and I use it as a tool, however science does not dictate my beliefs. Science has it's place for me in my life. It gives me maps for understanding aspects of nature. It does not and cannot explain all of reality, for example subjective aspects that rely on experience and interpretation, because by virtue of being subjective, they are beyond the bounds of a scienctific worldview. This is very different than assuming they don't exist.
In human psychological developmental stages, the "objective" science view is one developmental worldview, just like any other. It's not the "correct" one, but rather indicates a level of awareness. Each worldview is valid for those who hold them and I support those differences. These differences are a natural and integrated aspect of our universe.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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If in Genesis, we are to interpret 'day' to incorporate millions of years, then why would the meaning of 'day' change (in Genesis, to Christian revisionists), to mean also, a 24-hour day? yom is the hebrew word for day translated.
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ever heard an elder person say, 'in my day' ?
what time frame do you reckon they were talking about?
and where does it say we are to interpret 'day' as millions of years? but you know gue, this misunderstanding about what constitutes the actual length of a day could actually mean that Man not God were the actual authors of the bible and that it is the word of Man not God. which would mean.....ah forget it. i'm just amusing myself.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Have you even clicked the link?
lol.
here:
...Genesis 1 seems to be the only place where many Christians would argue concerning the meaning of the Hebrew word day (yom). For instance, do Christians ever spend hours arguing about how long Joshua took to march around Jericho? Could it have been a million years or a hundred thousand years, or did he march around in a day? Of course Christians don’t spend time arguing about this because they know what the word day means in context in regard to this section of Scripture.
Again, we need to ask the question as to why Christians seem to argue about the meaning of the word day in Genesis 1 to the exclusion of all of the other times the word day is used in the Old Testament.
In fact, a good question to ask people who argue about the meaning of the word in Genesis, is to answer the question as to when does the word day actually mean a literal 24-hour day? Most people do not have an answer to this. Many Christians are quick to say that the word day cannot mean an ordinary day in Genesis, and yet they don’t know the answer as to when the word day in context should be interpreted as an ordinary day. This is a very important thing to point out. The Hebrew language, like any other language, has certain rules of grammar that clarify the precise meaning of each word. This applies to the word day as well as any other word.
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yes? and?
i imagine that time did not exist before God made the earth and heavens. so time as we know it is only applicable to a space as we know it - Earth.
how many days or what constitutes a day would be irrelevant to the human concept of such a timelength as humans did not exist at that time. this could be why it is not as disputable, or less so, later on in the bible.
who the hell even wrote genesis anyway? moses? so where did he get the story from? oral testimony or written? what it some lore passed down through the generations until moses decided to write the story down?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
The revisionists would have you believe that genesis encompasses our modern belief that the world is millions of years old. But, they can't have it both ways in translation of the text, particularly when it comes to the word, "day."
Another reason I consider this to be a children's museum. It's Mickey Mouse.
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i know the believers are clutching at straws. thats all one can do when one relies on faith.
and that brings up an important question.
were there mice on the ark?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Furthermore, it's pure religious bullshit propaganda... this isn't about sharing beliefs or anything... it's a propaganda machine made to brainwash people, especially kids.
Disgusting, imo.
But hey, if people want to go there ... who am I to criticize them?
I wonder how long it'll take before parent start urging schools to visit the "museum".
By the way, did you know lions were designed with sharp claws not to tear their prey open but to climb trees?
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It's the new Disney museum.
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#25-#29 covers the ark.... It's the make a buck on Jesus factory...
"Anyone who rejects 6 day creation and Noah's flood is willfully ignorant"
http://www.answersingenesis.org/museum/walkthrough/
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Add a pirate exhibit and I am sooo there!
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lol...I used to run home practically every day for lunch in grades 4,5,6 just to catch the Flintstones...that and Rocket Robin hood.
Well....I suppose if Dino could fit in the family car...the ark must have been a breeze.
I'd like to watch Noah lasso and wrestle a T-rex... he must have been badass..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
deals!
http://www.muralsforkids.com/index.php?cPath=23_39_111
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Does this being a 'museum' count? If I had a kid, I'd be kinda concerned if his/her class planned a trip to it. I would want him/her to go... only because I remember the excitement I felt as a kid... but, this particular museum... I don't know. I think I would suggest to the school a nice little trip to the zoo, instead.
....
And it's NOT just because it's Christian. If the Scientologists built a museum that 'proves' their point of view was right... or the Muslims built a museum with their 'proof'... I would feel exactly the same.
Hail, Hail!!!
I don't think I'd let my kid go. I'd take him to another museum instead, or like you said, the zoo.
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'Answers in Genesis'? Maybe. Scientific answers? No, and nor were they ever meant to be.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
That's along the lines that I'm thinkin'. I mean, your spirituality, faith and beliefs come from the heart.. not the brain. The same way miracles cannot be explained, your faith cannot be explained either.
I think they'd be better serve their religion by simply accepting faith as faith and quit trying to make religion a science. They really do look like fools with the teenage vegetarian dinosaurs on the Ark with Noah thing. It's fine and dandy to build this display to illustrate your belief... but, please... just call it what it is... an amusement park, not a museum.
Hail, Hail!!!
I see nothing wrong with a museum of Christianty. I think it would be very interesting. But this museum is saying that science supports their claims. This is absolutely false. This is the problem with this museum. As an academic expert in evolution and a museum professional this offends me.
Many people see museums (excluding silly vaudevillian things like wax museums) and think words like "truth" and "knowledge" and "education". The fact that this museum offers none of these cheapens my profession.
-Ashley Montagu
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
If you are a good scientist, you work without bias to determine the most logical conclusions and explanations. Spirituality always comes with an inherant bias. You cannot explain anything factually if you are being influenced by personal faith based beliefs because others will have their own spiritual biases. Therefore, we would have no system for verifying, authenticating, or disprooving others work.
I agree you can have a spiritual view of the world, but that is your own interpretation. It is unique and special to you. The real world however works in ways which are set in stone as a series of natural laws. Your own beliefs affect how you view those laws, but do not affect the laws themselves. Science is concerned with understanding those natural laws by detaching yourself from those faith based beliefs.
You can still have spiritual beliefs, but scientists, or should I say 'good' scientists leave those beliefs at home and look at things objectively and seek approval from other scientists to ensure that they are doing so.
-Ashley Montagu
What the 'scientist' at this 'museum' are doing is allowing their faith based conclusions to explain the science, when they should be using objective science to produce conclusions that may or may not fit their beliefs.
-Ashley Montagu
"What do aliens, dinosaurs and gay marriage have in common? Discover the connection, and how to respond, in this amazing new book from AiG. Bulk discounts available"
I don't know what the answer is, but I'm sure its very scientific and hilarious.
-Ashley Montagu
Q. what do aliens, dinosaurs, and gay marriage have in common?
A. you can get a good belly laugh listening to a Christian's take on all of these subjects.
However, I don't support anyone imposing science on anyone's worldview. These people have not committed to a science view as a worldview, even though they are using some fact. I support people being true to who they are and their beliefs, because frankly that's the only healthy choice. I use facts, logic and I've developed objectivity AND subjectivity, and have integrated them. And I've consistently worked on my own bias. I value science and I use it as a tool, however science does not dictate my beliefs. Science has it's place for me in my life. It gives me maps for understanding aspects of nature. It does not and cannot explain all of reality, for example subjective aspects that rely on experience and interpretation, because by virtue of being subjective, they are beyond the bounds of a scienctific worldview. This is very different than assuming they don't exist.
In human psychological developmental stages, the "objective" science view is one developmental worldview, just like any other. It's not the "correct" one, but rather indicates a level of awareness. Each worldview is valid for those who hold them and I support those differences. These differences are a natural and integrated aspect of our universe.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!