I'm a METAL noob, help me out?!!!

Sian-of-the-dead

Collin wrote:

Black Label Society

For me, only up until Blessed Hellride. Everything after is highly tenuous.

1919, Sonic Brew and Stronger Than Death are my favourites, you could march to war on those babies.

Rhinocerous Surprise

Sian-of-the-dead wrote:

Good point on two counts

SOAD are Nu Metal to me, not that there's anything wrong with that, but they did cross over.

'Tallica live are amazing. I've seen them 3 times and you're right, they ALWAYS put on a good show. Doubters will be silenced

I'm glad we're on the same page, again

It's still hard to forgive Metallica for molesting and abusing Whiskey In The Jar, though. As an Irishman, that cuts me deep.

Collin

Sian-of-the-dead wrote:

For me, only up until Blessed Hellride. Everything after is highly tenuous.

1919, Sonic Brew and Stronger Than Death are my favourites, you could march to war on those babies.

I haven't heard anything by BLS since Blessed Hellride.

I've seen Metallica live twice, amazing shows.

prytocorduroy

harmless_little_f*** wrote:

I went to a rock night at my local club where they played metal all night. It was fucking incredible, I got totally bladdered, but I hardly recognised any of what I was hearing.

The closest I've got to metal are Deftones, System of a Down and old-skool Korn. Some grunge tips its hat to metal, I s'pose (AIC particularly).

I like rhythm, technicality and changes in tempo (hence my liking of System of a Down). I love ATMOSPHERE (hence my liking for Deftones). The stuff I loved in this rock night quite often switched from fast and chuggy with growling vocals, to sloooow and chuggy and full of SLUDGY atmosphere.

Where should I start? I have no real Metal in my collection at all.

Sounds like you are into nu metal, not metal. There are so many genres of metal and you don't have to like them all. Some just won't click. I prefer thrash metal over all other metal and cannot stand death metal personally.

Try early Metallica (again, listen to Orion please), Iron Maiden (anything from the eighties with Bruce), and Pantera (Cowboys from Hell). They're all different types and the most accessible in my view. There's plenty more out there, but that's my two cents.

fanch75

Sian-of-the-dead wrote:

For me, only up until Blessed Hellride. Everything after is highly tenuous.

1919, Sonic Brew and Stronger Than Death are my favourites, you could march to war on those babies.

I bought "Hangover Music Volume VI" because of the title. It's mellow & pretty chill, but I wouldn't suggest it for someone wanting to get into metal.

Blessed Hellride is awesome, though.

intodeep

catefrances wrote:

kyuss is metal?? hmm. i like them cause theyre just nice-heavy for me. chugging guitar and garcia's voice. good driving music. though in general im never sure where the metal line is drawn, cause im fucking hopeless at defining genres.

Well a lot of folks give Kyuss and Sleep credit for starting "stoner metal" which has a groove to it that i think sounds like OP would enjoy.

there are a shit ton of metal genres though.

OUTHOUSE

Pantera
Down
Black Sabbath
Electric Wizard
Kyuss
Melvins
Clutch
Strife
Earth Crisis
Neurosis
Pelican
Isis
Metallica
Mastodon
Slayer
Karma to Burn
Superjoint Ritual


(just to name the first few that come to mind)

intodeep

Sian-of-the-dead wrote:

Erm.... the guitarist from Down isn't from Cathedral.

You've suggested The Blackening when Machine Head have produced albums like Burn My Eyes?! C'mon...

Yeah my mistake with Pepper Keenan. As for Machine Head i picked up the blackening last year and it is the only album of theirs i've heard. I liked it and thought they might have a groove OP would like so i suggested it. I have not listened to their other albums but i'll check out Burn My eyes at some point.

Sian-of-the-dead

intodeep wrote:

Yeah my mistake with Pepper Keenan.

Keenan is a god... IMO

Although, ol' Kirky Winstein rips out a few grand riffs for Down... Damn I love that band

Are you a COC or Crowbar fan at all?

Sian-of-the-dead

OUTHOUSE wrote:

Pantera
Down
Black Sabbath
Electric Wizard
Kyuss
Melvins
Clutch
Metallica
Mastodon
Slayer
Superjoint Ritual


(just to name the first few that come to mind)

:eek: I love you....

Great list Although, out of it i'd only say few would appeal to the OP.

Superjoint were incredible though \m/

Sian-of-the-dead

danny72688 wrote:

Sounds like you are into nu metal, not metal. There are so many genres of metal and you don't have to like them all. Some just won't click. I prefer thrash metal over all other metal and cannot stand death metal personally.

Try early Metallica (again, listen to Orion please), Iron Maiden (anything from the eighties with Bruce), and Pantera (Cowboys from Hell). They're all different types and the most accessible in my view. There's plenty more out there, but that's my two cents.

Great two cents!

Collin wrote:

I haven't heard anything by BLS since Blessed Hellride.

I've seen Metallica live twice, amazing shows.

fanch75 wrote:

I bought "Hangover Music Volume VI" because of the title. It's mellow & pretty chill, but I wouldn't suggest it for someone wanting to get into metal.

Blessed Hellride is awesome, though.

Hangover Music is probably the best one since Blessed Hellride, it is chilled and I think, more like his solo album 'Book of Shadows' (which is great and came before BLS). Avoid the albums after BH like the plague... over produced, overpaid and Zakk's lost his focus. A shame really, they were awesome :(

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

It's still hard to forgive Metallica for molesting and abusing Whiskey In The Jar, though. As an Irishman, that cuts me deep.

I like their version

harmless_little_f***

danny72688 wrote:

Sounds like you are into nu metal, not metal. There are so many genres of metal and you don't have to like them all. Some just won't click. I prefer thrash metal over all other metal and cannot stand death metal personally.

Try early Metallica (again, listen to Orion please), Iron Maiden (anything from the eighties with Bruce), and Pantera (Cowboys from Hell). They're all different types and the most accessible in my view. There's plenty more out there, but that's my two cents.

Yes, at present I am into some 'Nu-Metal' but I have acknowledged that I haven't yet had a serious look into what you might call 'real metal', and I want to. They didn't play any Nu-Metal on the rock night I went to and I still liked most of it.

Thanks everyone for the suggestions. So far I like Pantera and Soulfly a lot, Fear Factory are OK (apart from the synths) and Sian, it sounds like I'll like Down. I'll give that a go.

To answer your points about Metallica Sian, I do ackowledge how genre-defining Metallica were. No, I haven't heard some of their earlier stuff; when I think of Metallica I think of 'Nothing Else Matters', which to me sounds like third-rate PJ 'Ten'.

But I don't think I'd appreciate the somewhat dated, 'of the era' sound that they have as much as someone who grew up with them might. It doesn't sound ground-breaking to my ears, however much I appreciate that SOAD owe their sound to them. That's the important thing.

Even though I like technical and complex rhythms, I'm not sure if I like thrash much for the same reason as I don't love punk. It's always fast and there's no 'space' where the drummer/guitarist settles into a 'groove'.

Sian, I presume you've heard Oceansize. They occasionally verge on metal and when they do, it's incredibly interesting, sonically.

Rhinocerous Surprise

Sian-of-the-dead wrote:

I like their version

Even more than this?!?!? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eOIU9ekSMk

fanch75

Everyone!

If you like hard-hitting metal with a groove, Grip Inc. is a great band. I have two of their albums (Solidify & Incorporated) and they both kick ass. The vocals are heavy but not cookie-monster sounding, and Grip Inc has great production. It's not just fast playing with screaming, which is boring.

Check out "The Answer" (if you pick one song, pick The Answer!!) and "Curse of the Cloth" on their myspace page. Hell, check them all out.

http://www.myspace.com/gripincmusic

Edit: I meant to type "The Answer" above, not "Amped." .

fanch75

Cool cover of "Paint It Black" on that page. I only have the Solidy & Incorporated albums, so I only know the two songs on that site from those albums.

transplant

harmless_little_f*** wrote:

Sian, I presume you've heard Oceansize. They occasionally verge on metal and when they do, it's incredibly interesting, sonically.

not that you are addressing me, however if you love Oceansize, you absolutely should look into Isis and Pelican.

Since I now know a bit more where you are coming from, Opeth's Watershed would be a great one to at least get an idea where you want to go Metal-wise. They are all over the place.

Also, take intodeep's suggestion of The Sword. riff city.

I also have certain bands that mentally I cannot get myself to listen to anymore, however I will go on record and state Master of Puppets is one of the greatest metal releases ever.

Sian-of-the-dead

harmless_little_f*** wrote:

Yes, at present I am into some 'Nu-Metal' but I have acknowledged that I haven't yet had a serious look into what you might call 'real metal', and I want to. They didn't play any Nu-Metal on the rock night I went to and I still liked most of it.

Thanks everyone for the suggestions. So far I like Pantera and Soulfly a lot, Fear Factory are OK (apart from the synths) and Sian, it sounds like I'll like Down. I'll give that a go.

To answer your points about Metallica Sian, I do ackowledge how genre-defining Metallica were. No, I haven't heard some of their earlier stuff; when I think of Metallica I think of 'Nothing Else Matters', which to me sounds like third-rate PJ 'Ten'.

But I don't think I'd appreciate the somewhat dated, 'of the era' sound that they have as much as someone who grew up with them might. It doesn't sound ground-breaking to my ears, however much I appreciate that SOAD owe their sound to them. That's the important thing.

Even though I like technical and complex rhythms, I'm not sure if I like thrash much for the same reason as I don't love punk. It's always fast and there's no 'space' where the drummer/guitarist settles into a 'groove'.

Sian, I presume you've heard Oceansize. They occasionally verge on metal and when they do, it's incredibly interesting, sonically.

But what kind of 'real metal' do you want to get into? What is 'real metal' to you Mark? As a few of us have pointed out, there's A LOT of different types.

Out of interest, what Pantera, Fear Factory and Soulfly have you heard?

I didn't grow up with Metallica, infact I was only just born when Kill 'em All was released. Someone suggested listening to Master of Puppets, I think that's as good a place as any to start giving Metallica a chance, it is one of the greatest metal releases ever. Also, I never said they were ground breaking.

You don't think you'll like thrash? How about giving it a go first.

I have heard Oceansize - i'm not overly struck.

Sian-of-the-dead

transplant wrote:

not that you are addressing me, however if you love Oceansize, you absolutely should look into Isis and Pelican.

I agree.

Personally, i'm not struck on Isis or Pelican either though. Not really my thing

Sian-of-the-dead

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Even more than this?!?!? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eOIU9ekSMk

That is legendary!

I think it's the song I like tbh

Rhinocerous Surprise

Sian-of-the-dead wrote:

That is legendary!

I think it's the song I like tbh

I'd like to hear Metallica do a faithful cover of it. Lars on banjo, Rob on fiddle... It'd be one for the ages.