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I'm a METAL noob, help me out?!!!

harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
edited July 2008 in Other Music
I went to a rock night at my local club where they played metal all night. It was fucking incredible, I got totally bladdered, but I hardly recognised any of what I was hearing.

The closest I've got to metal are Deftones, System of a Down and old-skool Korn. Some grunge tips its hat to metal, I s'pose (AIC particularly).

I like rhythm, technicality and changes in tempo (hence my liking of System of a Down). I love ATMOSPHERE (hence my liking for Deftones). The stuff I loved in this rock night quite often switched from fast and chuggy with growling vocals, to sloooow and chuggy and full of SLUDGY atmosphere.

Where should I start? I have no real Metal in my collection at all.
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  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Apart from the occasional SOAD song, and the obvious early Metallica stuff, the only metal I was ever really into was Fear Factory's stuff... Demanufacture/Obsolete era.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBaNf6Jk5rM
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  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Apart from the occasional SOAD song, and the obvious early Metallica stuff, the only metal I was ever really into was Fear Factory's stuff... Demanufacture/Obsolete era.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBaNf6Jk5rM

    I forgot to mention.. I find it impossible to take most Metallica seriously. I understand how monumental it was, but I guess you had to be there. It's cheesy, reminds me of boys' cartoons and I'd file it under 'Old skool' along with Megadeth.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    I forgot to mention.. I find it impossible to take most Metallica seriously. I understand how monumental it was, but I guess you had to be there. It's cheesy, reminds me of boys' cartoons and I'd file it under 'Old skool' along with Megadeth.

    I feel that way about most metal these days, really. I listened to most of this stuff in my early teens.
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  • LukinFanLukinFan Posts: 29,040
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  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    I feel that way about most metal these days, really. I listened to most of this stuff in my early teens.

    I understand that.. Nostalgia for old times will make me listen to a lot of stuff I otherwise wouldn't. :D
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

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  • urbanhippieurbanhippie Posts: 3,007
    I love Pantera, Rob Zombie, Soulfly, Fear Factory, Black Label Society and Zakk Wylde and some Korn.
    Also 'old skool'... Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, not Megadeth though *shudder*


    I'll edit as I think of more :)
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  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    I understand that.. Nostalgia for old times will make me listen to a lot of stuff I otherwise wouldn't. :D

    That's why Bon Jovi is still a regular feature on my CD player. :D

    Oh, I just remembered, this is a pretty cool song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn4kL8POF0U
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  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    urbanhippie wrote:
    I love Pantera, Rob Zombie, Soulfly, Fear Factory, Black Label Society and Zakk Wylde and some Korn.
    Also 'old skool'... Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, not Megadeth though *shudder*


    I'll edit as I think of more :)

    It's funny... I always wanted to like Megadeth. I felt bad for Dave Mustaine after the Metallica guys fucked him over, but I just can't take the guy seriously. The music is just embarrassing. :o

    Cool to see another Fear Factory fan though. :)
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  • Brain Of EBrain Of E Posts: 499
    try some Slayer or Mastodon,


    btw i am a Megadeth fan
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  • mole1985mole1985 Posts: 1,119
    Pantera will be up your street i think.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONZ9bL2WGBE

    Also Soulfly, Fear Factory, Black label Society, Motorhead and Rammstein

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrsgNbBI9xI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w9EksAo5hY
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  • pjoasisrulepjoasisrule Posts: 3,412
    Metal is dead

    Black Sabbath are good, get some of their stuff
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  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    pjoasisrule wrote:
    Metal is dead

    Even if that were true, that doesn't mean it isn't available to listen to.. I've not heard any of it, whether dead or alive.

    That said, I've managed to hold back from making any comments about Oasis. ;)
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • PearlJamaholicPearlJamaholic Posts: 2,018
    *cough* SLAYYYYYYYYYYYYYEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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  • YefaYefa Posts: 1,133
    Black Sabbath is essential. They are not only one of the founding bands of heavy metal as it's thought of today, they're also one of the best bands of all time. Start with the self-titled debut & go from there.

    I'm also a Megadeth fan. Rust In Peace is their best album and is considered by many metal fans to be among the best the genre has to offer.

    I"m a huge fan of early Metallica, especially Ride The Lightning and Master Of Puppets.

    Sepultura used to be great when the Cavalera brothers were both in the band. Their 4-album run of Beneath The Remains/Arise/Chaos A.D./Roots is well worth checking out.

    Voivod was an amazing if not quite as well-known band. Some of their best albums included Killing Technology, Dimension Hatross, and Nothingface.

    The death metal subgenre is an acquired taste. If you can deal with the growly vocals, I'd recommend Death, Obituary, and Morbid Angel (all from Florida) and Entombed, At The Gates, and Opeth (all from Sweden).

    Slayer's album Reign In Blood is their most celebrated - about a half hour of pummeling assault.

    In addition to Sabbath, I'd recommend checking out such older bands as Deep Purple, Motorhead, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and UFO (Mike McCready is a fan of the last one).
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  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,558
    Metallica + Pantera + Mastodon = BEST METAL!
  • urbanhippieurbanhippie Posts: 3,007
    mole1985 wrote:
    Pantera will be up your street i think.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONZ9bL2WGBE

    Also Soulfly, Fear Factory, Black label Society, Motorhead and Rammstein

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrsgNbBI9xI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w9EksAo5hY
    Niiiiiiiiiice :D:D

    And also this...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJF6xT2Y9gU

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAyg1Ioq_cA


    :D
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  • transplanttransplant Posts: 1,088
    I think these are amongst the best metal CD's to have come out in the past few years.

    These 3 are more technical in nature. Vocals can be rough (or in Opeth's case, freaking beautiful)
    Opeth - Watershed
    Meshuggah - ObZen
    Mastodon - Blood Mountain

    These 2 are more shoegaze, less vocals heavy on atmosphere
    Isis - In the Absence of Truth
    Pelican - The Fire in Our Throats Will Becken the Thaw

    These are more of your old school-style Sabbath influence types
    Strapping Young Lad - City
    High On Fire - Blessed Black Wings

    These are considered more Black Metal with atmospheric qualities
    Wolves in the Throne Room - Two Hunters
    Summoning - Stronghold

    These 2 are so good it makes my head spin.
    Alcest - Le Secret
    Amesoeurs - Ruines Humaines

    If you want to just drink beer and have a great time
    Korpiklaani - Tales Along This Road
  • mole1985mole1985 Posts: 1,119
    urbanhippie wrote:
    Niiiiiiiiiice :D:D

    And also this...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJF6xT2Y9gU

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAyg1Ioq_cA


    :D

    I prefer these

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfXMR3ZNoek

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaHnvrGQUtg - what a way to open an album.
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  • MLC2006MLC2006 Posts: 861
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    I forgot to mention.. I find it impossible to take most Metallica seriously. I understand how monumental it was, but I guess you had to be there. It's cheesy, reminds me of boys' cartoons and I'd file it under 'Old skool' along with Megadeth.


    In your first post, you said you want "rhythm, technicality, and change of tempo" and in your second post you said you can't take Metallica seriously. It's a complete contradiction, because

    1. James Hetfield is, imo, the best rhythm guitarist ever and definitely the most underrated.

    and

    2. there is no band EVER that can change tempo multiple times within one song the way that Metallica could on their 4 good albums.


    and for the "technicality" part, I'd say Hammett is pretty technical, but I don't even care much about the lead stuff, it's the rhythm and the tempo changes.


    their lyrics aren't for Rhodes Scholars, ok. they've done some asshole moves, ie Napster, ok. their last 3 albums have sucked balls, ok. but if you can't take them seriously, then rhythm and change of tempo are 2 things that you are NOT looking for because they are the masters of both. I highly suggest you get "Master of Puppets" and "...And Justice For All". if you are not a fan after listening to those 2 albums beginning to end, then metal is not your cup of tea imo.
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  • itsevobabyitsevobaby Posts: 1,809
    I BrisK I wrote:
    Metallica + Pantera + Mastodon = BEST METAL!
    i shall call him....METERADON!!!
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  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,558
    itsevobaby wrote:
    i shall call him....METERADON!!!

    HAHAHAH

    good one ;p
  • totaledheadtotaledhead Posts: 197
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    I like rhythm, technicality and changes in tempo (hence my liking of System of a Down). I love ATMOSPHERE (hence my liking for Deftones).

    IF this is the case, then you have to check out Opeth! Their percision is unbelieveable! They have truely mastered prog metal, from soft acoustic guitars with gentle wailing to heavy in your face metal! They're unreal! :D
  • LukinFanLukinFan Posts: 29,040
    Along with Sevendust and Nonpoint, I'd also like to add Mudvayne and Otep
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  • dirtdirt Posts: 398
    Personal favs I'd recommend to anyone:

    ISIS - Panopticon
    Mastodon - Blood Mountain
    Opeth: Watershed
    Black Sabbath: Vol. 4
    Iron Maiden: Piece of Mind
    Tool - Lateralus
    Deep Purple - Machine Head
    Metallica - Master of Puppets
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  • TrailerTrailer Posts: 1,431
    I would start with the best and move on from there...

    So, go buy Vulgar Display of Power and Far Beyond Driven.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,854
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:

    Where should I start? I have no real Metal in my collection at all.

    two words

    Iron Maiden
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  • ProgFan511ProgFan511 Posts: 51
    pjoasisrule wrote:
    Metal is dead

    Black Sabbath are good, get some of their stuff



    Im sorry, but metal isnt dead. Maybe the glam shit, but yeah.
    Just look at europe during the summer months, metal festivals all over the place.
    Also, check out the documentary Headbangers Journey.



    Bands to check out:

    Judas Priest
    Black Sabbath
    Black Sabbath w/ Dio
    Testament
    Death
    Dark Angel
    Dream Theater
    Opeth
    Brutal Truth
    Naplam Death
    Cynic
    motorhead
    Symphony X
    Sabbat
    Electric Wizard
    Sahg
    Candlemass
    Nuclear Assault
    Iron Maiden
    Overkill
    Fates Warning
    Grave
    King Diamond
    Mercyful Fate
    Macabre
    Atheist
    Necrophagist
    Possessed
    Carnivore
    Venom
    Celtic Frost
    Sonata Arctica
    Martyr
    Monstrosity
    Blood Duster
    Pantera
    Down
    Superjoint Ritual
    Porcupine Tree
    megadeth
    High on fire
    Baroness
    Arson Anthem
    eyehategod
    crowbar
    S.O.D
    Goatwhore
    rigor mortis
    Nile
    Immolation
    Suffocation
    warbringer
    sleep
    paths of possession
    cannibal corpse
    dying fetus


    this should help you out
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  • Sian-of-the-deadSian-of-the-dead Posts: 8,963
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    I like rhythm, technicality and changes in tempo (hence my liking of System of a Down). I love ATMOSPHERE (hence my liking for Deftones). The stuff I loved in this rock night quite often switched from fast and chuggy with growling vocals, to sloooow and chuggy and full of SLUDGY atmosphere.

    Sludge is actually a genre of metal.

    You like technical and fast? Try Soilent Green.

    SOAD, Korn and Deftones are not metal.
    Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...

    ... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
  • Sian-of-the-deadSian-of-the-dead Posts: 8,963
    pjoasisrule wrote:
    Metal is dead

    Coming from an Oasis fan?! :confused:

    Come back when you know what you're talking about.
    Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...

    ... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
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