Leopards Eating People's Faces Party

Tim Simmons

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/philadelphia-irs-layoffs-firings-union-president-trump/4114738/

HughFreakingDillon

BWAHAHAHA the "business acumen" BS again. hahahaha

josevolution

F’em! 

DE4173

Is this a new story? One in where a federal employee votes for a presidential candidate and that president cuts federal jobs resulting in that person (and other federal employees that voted for that candidate) losing their job(s).

Or is it a story because it's Trump?

mickeyrat

DE4173 said:

Is this a new story? One in where a federal employee votes for a presidential candidate and that president cuts federal jobs resulting in that person (and other federal employees that voted for that candidate) losing their job(s).

Or is it a story because it's Trump?

its a story when the delusion of the cult begins to break. it was always happening to somone not like them, which was the selling point and why he got buy in.

Tim Simmons

DE4173 said:

Is this a new story? One in where a federal employee votes for a presidential candidate and that president cuts federal jobs resulting in that person (and other federal employees that voted for that candidate) losing their job(s).

Or is it a story because it's Trump?

It can be both and this is the thread for it. 

Tim Simmons

But also, I think we are well beyond the “both sides”-ing governance at this point. 

DE4173

Are we though? 🤷‍♂️

We've had four years of "what about Trump/now do Trump." 

Merkin Baller

Tim Simmons said:

But also, I think we are well beyond the “both sides”-ing governance at this point. 

Some will never be beyond it, as evidenced here ad nauseum. 

DE4173

Please help me better understand "both sides”-ing.

People can say, "what about Trump/now do Trump," but people can't say "what about (any previous president)/now do (any previous president)."

I appreciate your feedback!

Tim Simmons

I'm just saying, of course both parties are gonna betray the voting interests of the people that voted them into office. And its not great when either do it. But right now its gonna happen at a more frequent and possibly severe rate. So yes. Its a story BECAUSE its Trump and we can post when Dems do it, but IMO, its a more flaccid ding against them and diminishes the damage Trumps admin is doing.

DE4173

I understand. Thanks Tim Simmons!

cincybearcat

DE4173 said:

Is this a new story? One in where a federal employee votes for a presidential candidate and that president cuts federal jobs resulting in that person (and other federal employees that voted for that candidate) losing their job(s).

Or is it a story because it's Trump?

Its a story because of the How.  It's due to how it's being done currently.....there is no thought, just blowing it all up. 

I wonder, if a new manager came into where you work and just decided to fire a large % of people without really taking the time to understand the true areas that need trimming...what would you think?

I would think that the manager is an asshole and has no idea how to effectively manage a situation.  That it's all short term for them, they will claim massive savings and move on...while the next manager has to fix all the damn issues it caused.

cincybearcat

Tim Simmons said:

I'm just saying, of course both parties are gonna betray the voting interests of the people that voted them into office. And its not great when either do it. But right now its gonna happen at a more frequent and possibly severe rate. So yes. Its a story BECAUSE its Trump and we can post when Dems do it, but IMO, its a more flaccid ding against them and diminishes the damage Trumps admin is doing.

Of course they will and SHOULD do things that go against some of the people that voted for them if it is the right thing to do.  Except lemmings, no one could possibly truly align 100% with either party.  If you do, you are the problem.

OnWis97

cincybearcat said:

DE4173 said:

Is this a new story? One in where a federal employee votes for a presidential candidate and that president cuts federal jobs resulting in that person (and other federal employees that voted for that candidate) losing their job(s).

Or is it a story because it's Trump?

Its a story because of the How.  It's due to how it's being done currently.....there is no thought, just blowing it all up. 

I wonder, if a new manager came into where you work and just decided to fire a large % of people without really taking the time to understand the true areas that need trimming...what would you think?

I would think that the manager is an asshole and has no idea how to effectively manage a situation.  That it's all short term for them, they will claim massive savings and move on...while the next manager has to fix all the damn issues it caused.

The very same person did this with Twitter. And by most standards it failed. (It succeeded in helping create a dishonest voice that's helping him take the world over but that's not the goal of very many organizations). From most perspectives it was a disaster created by coming in with an ideology and a chainsaw (last word taken from his former DOGE partner).

The reason it's a story is not because it's Trump, at least not in an Orange Man Bad way. It's because it's in numbers we've never seen, it's reckless and impetuous, and it's being carried out by a walking conflict of interest who is going to benefit yugely. It's also not doing what we were promised it would do. It's going after places where the funding amounts to drops in the bucket. 

But just in terms of the firings, the real difference is they're doing so completely oblivious to, and ignorant of, the impacts. Yeah, some other president could trim down the Department of Education by 8% because the Office of Whiteboard vs. Chalkboard is obsolete and some people would lose their jobs; and we could feel for them while understanding that it was a necessary thing to do. That's not what's happening now. And anyone that doesn't recognize that is probably under the misapprehension that they're doing any of this because of a deep love they have for the United States of America. And nothing could be further from the truth.

DE4173

cincybearcat said:

DE4173 said:

Is this a new story? One in where a federal employee votes for a presidential candidate and that president cuts federal jobs resulting in that person (and other federal employees that voted for that candidate) losing their job(s).

Or is it a story because it's Trump?

Its a story because of the How.  It's due to how it's being done currently.....there is no thought, just blowing it all up. 

I wonder, if a new manager came into where you work and just decided to fire a large % of people without really taking the time to understand the true areas that need trimming...what would you think?

I would think that the manager is an asshole and has no idea how to effectively manage a situation.  That it's all short term for them, they will claim massive savings and move on...while the next manager has to fix all the damn issues it caused.

The How. I hear you.

I read about the job cuts and the airplanes, etc and think that's happened in *warning incoming both sides-ism* previous administrations and that it's news now because it's Trump. That's on me.

No, I wouldn't like being fired by a new manager coming in and cutting without assessment. I have been laid off once by a company and it's devastating and it upends your life in ways I didn't imagine. I do realize that companies do job cuts and that's just "the way it is." There is no "family" and there's no loyalty either way.

OnWis97

DE4173 said:

cincybearcat said:

DE4173 said:

Is this a new story? One in where a federal employee votes for a presidential candidate and that president cuts federal jobs resulting in that person (and other federal employees that voted for that candidate) losing their job(s).

Or is it a story because it's Trump?

Its a story because of the How.  It's due to how it's being done currently.....there is no thought, just blowing it all up. 

I wonder, if a new manager came into where you work and just decided to fire a large % of people without really taking the time to understand the true areas that need trimming...what would you think?

I would think that the manager is an asshole and has no idea how to effectively manage a situation.  That it's all short term for them, they will claim massive savings and move on...while the next manager has to fix all the damn issues it caused.

The How. I hear you.

I read about the job cuts and the airplanes, etc and think that's happened in *warning incoming both sides-ism* previous administrations and that it's news now because it's Trump. That's on me.

No, I wouldn't like being fired by a new manager coming in and cutting without assessment. I have been laid off once by a company and it's devastating and it upends your life in ways I didn't imagine. I do realize that companies do job cuts and that's just "the way it is." There is no "family" and there's no loyalty either way.

There used to be loyalty. And people could work full time and buy a house and keep a family going on one income. Then came shareholder capitalism (courtesy of Jack Welch and others) and Reaganomics. 

Tim Simmons

cincybearcat said:

Tim Simmons said:

I'm just saying, of course both parties are gonna betray the voting interests of the people that voted them into office. And its not great when either do it. But right now its gonna happen at a more frequent and possibly severe rate. So yes. Its a story BECAUSE its Trump and we can post when Dems do it, but IMO, its a more flaccid ding against them and diminishes the damage Trumps admin is doing.

Of course they will and SHOULD do things that go against some of the people that voted for them if it is the right thing to do. 

No doubt. 

Added to all of this is the people saying stuff like this would happen, people saying 'nah' and voting anyway, and then it actually happens. 

Go Beavers

DE4173 said:

Please help me better understand "both sides”-ing.

People can say, "what about Trump/now do Trump," but people can't say "what about (any previous president)/now do (any previous president)."

I appreciate your feedback!

Obviously you can ask that. When is it asked in good faith though? People answer the question by pointing out how it’s different and the response is almost always some form of denial to rationalize Trump’s actions. 

DE4173

Excellent question! I would like to think that good faith is greater in the real world and believe that it doesn't exist much online. Some people read to reply and not to understand.

My pov is that in the last four years in response to some/most/all of what President Biden did was met with criticism from some on the right. The response to them was "what about Trump/now do Trump/where were you when Trump."

So now there will be four years of "what about Biden/now do Biden/where were you when Biden" and it's all caps "both sides!!!" like in order to shut down/deflect the criticism.