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Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,207
edited March 2024 in A Moving Train
HELSINKI – Finland must apply to join the NATO military alliance “without delay”, Finnish President Sauli Niinisto and Prime Minister Sanna Marin said on Thursday, a major policy shift triggered by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
Finland, which shares an 810-mile border and a difficult past with Russia, has gradually stepped up its cooperation with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization as a partner since Russia annexed Crimea in 2014.
But until Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the Nordic country had refrained from joining in order to maintain friendly relations with its eastern neighbour.
“Finland must apply for NATO membership without delay,” Niinisto and Marin said in a joint statement.
“We hope that the national steps still needed to make this decision will be taken rapidly within the next few days.”
NATO allies expect Finland and Sweden to apply to join the alliance in the coming days and will grant membership quickly, five diplomats and officials told Reuters ahead of the Finnish announcement.

Finland must apply for NATO membership, leaders say (nypost.com)

Fix the cumbersome and broken quoting feature on this site @Sea Kat @elonmusk
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,000
    I have two equally but separate reactions to this. 

    1) GOOD, and
    2) FUCK
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,233
    your first post had a quote in it?

    you couldnt copy and paste the text?

    as to the topic, where is Sweden on this question at present? Which way is the country leaning?
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,000
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-finland-moves-toward-nato-bid-as-russia-assaults-ukraines-east/
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,123
    edited May 2022
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HELSINKI – Finland must apply to join the NATO military alliance “without delay”, Finnish President Sauli Niinisto and Prime Minister Sanna Marin said on Thursday, a major policy shift triggered by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
    Finland, which shares an 810-mile border and a difficult past with Russia, has gradually stepped up its cooperation with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization as a partner since Russia annexed Crimea in 2014.
    But until Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the Nordic country had refrained from joining in order to maintain friendly relations with its eastern neighbour.
    “Finland must apply for NATO membership without delay,” Niinisto and Marin said in a joint statement.
    “We hope that the national steps still needed to make this decision will be taken rapidly within the next few days.”
    NATO allies expect Finland and Sweden to apply to join the alliance in the coming days and will grant membership quickly, five diplomats and officials told Reuters ahead of the Finnish announcement.

    Finland must apply for NATO membership, leaders say (nypost.com)

    Fix the cumbersome and broken quoting feature on this site @Sea Kat @elonmusk

    Try "Please"?
    Post edited by Kat on
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  • JPPJ84JPPJ84 Hamburg, Germany Posts: 3,464
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I have two equally but separate reactions to this. 

    1) GOOD, and
    2) FUCK
    Dito. I totally understand the reasoning behind the decision, I just hope it doesn’t escalate things further
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,207
    edited May 2022
    mickeyrat said:
    your first post had a quote in it?

    you couldnt copy and paste the text?

    as to the topic, where is Sweden on this question at present? Which way is the country leaning?
    A majority of Swedes now want to join (at present time, give it six month without a war and I guess those numbers would balance back to not wanting to join), and the leading party the Socialdemocrats are suddenly OK with joining to not make it into a topic during the election this fall. 
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I have two equally but separate reactions to this. 

    1) GOOD, and
    2) FUCK
    Agreed.

    good choice, only choice to be made after Ukraine 

    expanding NATO is extremely dangerous.  I mean l look what happened when the Soviet’s expanded into Cuba.  This is that to them even if they directly caused it to happen 
  • RunIntoTheRainRunIntoTheRain Texas Posts: 1,029
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mickeyrat said:
    your first post had a quote in it?

    you couldnt copy and paste the text?

    as to the topic, where is Sweden on this question at present? Which way is the country leaning?
    A majority of Swedes now want to join (at present time, give it sex month without a war and I guess those numbers would balance back to not wanting to join), and the leading party the Socialdemocrats are suddenly OK with joining to not make it into a topic during the election this fall. 
    Tell me more about sex month. 😉
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mickeyrat said:
    your first post had a quote in it?

    you couldnt copy and paste the text?

    as to the topic, where is Sweden on this question at present? Which way is the country leaning?
    A majority of Swedes now want to join (at present time, give it sex month without a war and I guess those numbers would balance back to not wanting to join), and the leading party the Socialdemocrats are suddenly OK with joining to not make it into a topic during the election this fall. 
    Tell me more about sex month. 😉
    Probably coincides with the start of sauna season 
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,207
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mickeyrat said:
    your first post had a quote in it?

    you couldnt copy and paste the text?

    as to the topic, where is Sweden on this question at present? Which way is the country leaning?
    A majority of Swedes now want to join (at present time, give it sex month without a war and I guess those numbers would balance back to not wanting to join), and the leading party the Socialdemocrats are suddenly OK with joining to not make it into a topic during the election this fall. 
    Tell me more about sex month. 😉
    Well, It is the SEXUAL LIBERATED SUPER POWER OF THE WORLD Sweden...
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,000
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mickeyrat said:
    your first post had a quote in it?

    you couldnt copy and paste the text?

    as to the topic, where is Sweden on this question at present? Which way is the country leaning?
    A majority of Swedes now want to join (at present time, give it sex month without a war and I guess those numbers would balance back to not wanting to join), and the leading party the Socialdemocrats are suddenly OK with joining to not make it into a topic during the election this fall. 
    Tell me more about sex month. 😉
    Well, It is the SEXUAL LIBERATED SUPER POWER OF THE WORLD Sweden...
    that doesn't jive with also being the Mario Kart Male Saturday Night Activity of the World. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,207
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mickeyrat said:
    your first post had a quote in it?

    you couldnt copy and paste the text?

    as to the topic, where is Sweden on this question at present? Which way is the country leaning?
    A majority of Swedes now want to join (at present time, give it sex month without a war and I guess those numbers would balance back to not wanting to join), and the leading party the Socialdemocrats are suddenly OK with joining to not make it into a topic during the election this fall. 
    Tell me more about sex month. 😉
    Well, It is the SEXUAL LIBERATED SUPER POWER OF THE WORLD Sweden...
    that doesn't jive with also being the Mario Kart Male Saturday Night Activity of the World. 
    Nothing's as sexy as playing some Strip Mario Kart. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,136
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mickeyrat said:
    your first post had a quote in it?

    you couldnt copy and paste the text?

    as to the topic, where is Sweden on this question at present? Which way is the country leaning?
    A majority of Swedes now want to join (at present time, give it sex month without a war and I guess those numbers would balance back to not wanting to join), and the leading party the Socialdemocrats are suddenly OK with joining to not make it into a topic during the election this fall. 
    Tell me more about sex month. 😉
    Well, It is the SEXUAL LIBERATED SUPER POWER OF THE WORLD Sweden...
    that doesn't jive with also being the Mario Kart Male Saturday Night Activity of the World. 
    Nothing's as sexy as playing some Strip Mario Kart. 
    Just when I thought the internet was as weird as it would get, this happens. 
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,233
    reminder this is an all ages forum
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,123
    edited May 2022
    mickeyrat said:
    reminder this is an all ages forum

    With a strong presence between the ages of 9 and 14.

    Hey, whoa!  Don't throw tomatoes.  I've said some really lame and dumb things here myself a few times.  :lol:
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,207
    mickeyrat said:
    reminder this is an all ages forum
    Don't see anything going against that in this thread.

    But maybe it's just me, coming from a sound north European country that doesn't beep curse words on TV.

    I'VE NEVER BEEPED SATANS BEEP
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,233
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mickeyrat said:
    reminder this is an all ages forum
    Don't see anything going against that in this thread.

    But maybe it's just me, coming from a sound north European country that doesn't beep curse words on TV.

    I'VE NEVER BEEPED SATANS BEEP

    thought it so obviously a joke,  a smilie or other identifyer was unnecessary.  guess  I was wrong
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,831
    mickeyrat said:
    reminder this is an all ages forum
    lol
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,207
    mickeyrat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mickeyrat said:
    reminder this is an all ages forum
    Don't see anything going against that in this thread.

    But maybe it's just me, coming from a sound north European country that doesn't beep curse words on TV.

    I'VE NEVER BEEPED SATANS BEEP

    thought it so obviously a joke,  a smilie or other identifyer was unnecessary.  guess  I was wrong
    It was obvious.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,136
    So, is it definitive that both Finland and Sweden will become members of NATO?
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited May 2022
    dudeman said:
    So, is it definitive that both Finland and Sweden will become members of NATO?
    No. AFAIK it requires unanimous support from existing members. Turkey who happens to be a founding member of NATO has been making some noise on the issue.

    Hungary would also be a wild card.

    leaving them hanging though won’t end well as Russia will be free to retaliate without having to deal with NATO. Finland/ Sweden  armies are no joke though 
    Post edited by Cropduster-80 on
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,207
    edited May 2022
    Cropduster-80 said:
    dudeman said:
    So, is it definitive that both Finland and Sweden will become members of NATO?
    No. AFAIK it requires unanimous support from existing members. Turkey who happens to be a founding member of NATO has been making some noise on the issue.
    Yeah. A bitch that Sweden recognizes the Kurds. 

    I ALWAYS KNEW THAT WOULD BITE US IN THE ASS.

    In other news, the biggest party in Sweden The Social Democrats is now openly for a NATO membership. So that means we will join.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,000
    looks like the fins and the swedes called putin's bluff and won this hand. 

    https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-16-22/h_ea85b6de4dbff7fae17f482f88c91cf6
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,813
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    looks like the fins and the swedes called putin's bluff and won this hand. 

    https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-16-22/h_ea85b6de4dbff7fae17f482f88c91cf6
    yup.

    Complete botch job by Putin who has been pretty remarkable in getting his/Russia's way over the years with the threat of force.

    Now the word is out on that small dick and his paper tiger military and the world is onto them. 

    Finland and Sweden in nato is a major disaster for putin.

    Lots of indications he is in very poor health.  

    Polonium sandwich is probably heading his way sooner rather than later
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited May 2022
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    looks like the fins and the swedes called putin's bluff and won this hand. 

    https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-16-22/h_ea85b6de4dbff7fae17f482f88c91cf6
    Or he already knew something we didn’t 

    Turkey just came out against. It’s going to be tough to meet their demands as I highly doubt they are going to just hand over whatever Kurds living there Turkey wants 

    Putin doesn’t have to do anything, just sit back and watch NATO countries fight. If they get approved I’m betting his tone changes 


    If sanctioning Turkey is a disqualifying factor for being in NATO….well I guess the US is in trouble with them too😂

    Post edited by Cropduster-80 on
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,207
    Turkey wants Sweden to hand over 33 individuals they regard as terrorists. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,233
    being the most recent thread on NATO  am putting this here....
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,233
    one step closer...

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,233
    gift article


    Trump said he might ignore NATO’s duty to defend. Here’s what the group does.
     By Ben Brasch, Miriam Berger, Claire Parker and Sammy Westfall February 11, 2024 at 11:37 ET 

    Former president Donald Trump said Saturday that he would encourage Russia to do “whatever the hell they want” to NATO member countries that, in his opinion, don’t spend enough to defend themselves. 

    Trump, the front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination, has long criticized the alliance, including in 2018, when as president he voiced concern that using NATO troops to defend tiny Monte­negro could start World War III. Critics say Trump’s comments fly in the face of why NATO was formed in the first place. 

    What is NATO? 
    The United States was a driving force behind the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s 1949 formation. In the wake of World War II, the alliance was designed to bolster security in Western Europe among countries worried about Soviet advances. It has grown from its initial 12 countries to 31. 

    The alliance rests on the principle of collective defense, meaning an attack on one member is an attack on all. Although NATO does not have its own armed forces, it maintains an integrated military command structure that includes all member states. 
    NATO’s top defense officials have been American, while the secretary general is usually a senior European political figure. 

    Who pays for all this? 
    NATO members’ defense ministers in 2006 agreed that each country would contribute about 2 percent of their gross domestic product to fund the alliance. In practice, that means spending from non-U.S. allies combined is almost equal to that of the United States. The United States contributed $860 billion, 3.49 percent of its GDP, in 2023, according to NATO estimates. 
    What roles does the United States play? 
    According to NATO, the United States also provides intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance; air-to-air refueling; ballistic missile defense; and airborne electromagnetic equipment.

    continues....
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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