America's Gun Violence #2

gimmesometruth27

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

WTF is all I have to say.  And half moon is one of the nicest places I have ever visited. Guns be gone. The strict laws work in Japan where the crazies walk off in the woods and never come back. 

I do agree with 2Aers, however, that it's not JUST the guns. it's many things. culture, mental health, etc. 

but the gun is the one, single, common denominator.

Halifax2TheMax

Yea, can’t possibly be burned out on it nor discouraged at this point. Nothing, absolutely nothing, has changed since Sandy Hook and if the cold blooded massacre of 20 1st and 2nd graders won’t change anything, then the majority of ‘Muricans are just fine with the status quo.

There have been nearly 40 mass shootings so far this year

On Jan. 21, a shooter opened fire on the eve of Lunar New Year at a dance studio in Monterey Park, a majority-Asian Los Angeles suburb, killing 11 people. Two days later, related shootings at two locations around Half Moon Bay, near San Francisco, killed seven people.

There have already been 39 mass shootings in 2023 in the United States, according to the Gun Violence Archive. There have been more shootings than any other January on the database’s records, which go back to 2014.

The staggering scope of U.S. gun deaths goes far beyond mass shootings

Mass shootings — where four or more people, not including the shooter, are injured or killed — have averaged more than one per day in 2023. Every week has had at least six mass shootings.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/01/24/mass-shootings-us/

And it’s not even February yet. What a country.

Halifax2TheMax

The staggering scope of U.S. gun deaths goes far beyond mass shootings

The spate of shooting attacks in communities such as Highland Park, Ill.; Uvalde, Tex.; and Buffalohas riveted attention on America’s staggering number of public mass killings. But the rising number of gun deaths in the United States extends beyond such high-profile episodes, emerging nearly every day inside homes, outside bars and on the streets of many cities, according to federal data.

[There have been over 300 mass shootings so far in 2022]

The surge in gun violence comes as firearm purchases rose to record levels in 2020 and 2021, with more than 43 million guns estimated to have been purchased during that period, according to a Washington Post analysis of federal data on gun background checks. At the same time, the rate of gun deaths in those years hit the highest level since 1995, with more than 45,000 fatalities each year.

Guns are used in most suicides and are almost entirely responsible for an overall rise in homicides across the country from 2018 to 2021, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Over the long Fourth of July weekend, when seven people were killed and dozens wounded at a parade in Highland Park, numerous other fatal shootings played out across the country. In nearby Chicago, 10 people were killed and more than 60 wounded in a string of shootings over the weekend. One person was killed and four were wounded in a shooting outside a Sacramento nightclub. Two people were shot to death at a home in Haltom City, Tex., and a neighbor and three police officers were injured. A man was fatally shot in Clinton, N.C.; hours later, six people, including two children, were injured in a separate shooting there.

There is not one clear answer as to what is driving the rise inbloodshed, experts said, but possible factors include the stress of the coronavirus pandemic, fraying ties between the police and the public, mounting anger, worsening mental strain and the sheer number of guns in America.

“You put all that into a pressure cooker,” said Alex Piquero, a criminologist at the University of Miami, “and you let the pressure cooker blow up.”

[Mass violence takes toll on Americans’ psyches]

Local leaders, law enforcement officials and anti-violence workers say they have seen a worrisome trend recently, in which disputes that would have previously led to fistfights instead escalated rapidly to gunfire.

“What we’re seeing is a different type of violence here in Pittsburgh,” said the Rev. Eileen Smith, executive director of the South Pittsburgh Coalition for Peace, a nonprofit that includes violence interrupters. “They’re not fighting, at least not outside of school. They’re killing.”

The ample access to guns plays a significant role, experts said. Americans are arming themselves in the face of deepening fears and divisions, frightening public incidents involving gunfire or violence, or simply because they know others may also have guns.

Data shows that gun sales increase in the wake of violence, political events and uncertainty. Large spikes occurred after the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting; amid coronavirus shutdowns, racial justice protests and the presidential election in 2020; and after the Jan. 6, 2021, siege of the U.S. Capitol.

With an estimated 400 million guns in the country, a figure that eclipses the U.S. population, “there is a self-fulfilling prophecy of, ‘I need a gun because everyone else around me has a gun,’” said Sasha Cotton, director of the Minneapolis Office of Violence Prevention.

The agonizing frequency of nonfatal shootings and firearm deaths, experts said, has become a uniquely American phenomenon.

“Many other countries have disadvantaged folks who are angry and alienated,” said Richard Berk, a professor emeritus of criminology and statistics at the University of Pennsylvania. “But guns aren’t there.”

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Get_Right

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

WTF is all I have to say.  And half moon is one of the nicest places I have ever visited. Guns be gone. The strict laws work in Japan where the crazies walk off in the woods and never come back. 

I do agree with 2Aers, however, that it's not JUST the guns. it's many things. culture, mental health, etc. 

Not wrong, but let's start with the guns.

HughFreakingDillon

100%

brianlux

nicknyr15 said:

Kind of sad the reactions mass shootings get in todays world. Outrage simply depends on race of the shooter and type of gun used it seems. Back to back mass shootings and zero discussion here. The troll posts seemed to get people more upset nowadays. Sad. 

I'm a bit confused by what you're saying here, Nick.  Maybe I just haven't read the same pages, but my general sense is that what I read (and how I feel as well), is that anyone who isn't a die-hard NRA type supporter of fire arms is sick and tired of hearing about mass shootings. 

Also, what other type of discussion are you looking for here?  Mass shootings are in the news so much, it's hard to see this thread and think of other related topics.  When I see the thread topic, I immediately think about the latest mass shooting.  Then I might think (yet again), how pathetic it is that we do not have better background checks, have not invested more time and resources in mental health, and not not have adequate restrictions on guns that are manufactured with the sole purpose of killing as many people as quickly as possible. 

As for the trolls- the responses here are that either people being upset (I get it- people are dying, it's not a joke) or (my go-to, if anything) to say something to point out what a joke trolling is and what a joke trolls are.  Of course, the best thing is to ignore them.

mickeyrat

sad and tragic fact about america and its liberty,  she's a bloodthirsty bitch who demands to be fed..... often.

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

WTF is all I have to say.  And half moon is one of the nicest places I have ever visited. Guns be gone. The strict laws work in Japan where the crazies walk off in the woods and never come back. 

I do agree with 2Aers, however, that it's not JUST the guns. it's many things. culture, mental health, etc. 

I’m not anti-2A Hugh, but America is the only country that has this problem (at least on this scale). Other countries have mental illness, etc. 

It’s the guns. 

I agree with your earlier post about fatigue. There’s f-all that is going to be done about it. The NRA owns our government and guns are too ingrained in the culture. I’ve accepted it as a reality of living in America. 

HughFreakingDillon

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

WTF is all I have to say.  And half moon is one of the nicest places I have ever visited. Guns be gone. The strict laws work in Japan where the crazies walk off in the woods and never come back. 

I do agree with 2Aers, however, that it's not JUST the guns. it's many things. culture, mental health, etc. 

I’m not anti-2A Hugh, but America is the only country that has this problem (at least on this scale). Other countries have mental illness, etc. 

It’s the guns. 

I agree with your earlier post about fatigue. There’s f-all that is going to be done about it. The NRA owns our government and guns are too ingrained in the culture. I’ve accepted it as a reality of living in America. 

but you'd think if it was the guns, and mainly just the guns, we'd have proportionate instances. we simply do not. like, a country that has half the number of guns per citizen, should, by extension, have half the amount of shootings. that just doesn't happen. it's not even close to the same ratio. so yes, it's the guns. but it's also many other factors. 

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

WTF is all I have to say.  And half moon is one of the nicest places I have ever visited. Guns be gone. The strict laws work in Japan where the crazies walk off in the woods and never come back. 

I do agree with 2Aers, however, that it's not JUST the guns. it's many things. culture, mental health, etc. 

I’m not anti-2A Hugh, but America is the only country that has this problem (at least on this scale). Other countries have mental illness, etc. 

It’s the guns. 

I agree with your earlier post about fatigue. There’s f-all that is going to be done about it. The NRA owns our government and guns are too ingrained in the culture. I’ve accepted it as a reality of living in America. 

but you'd think if it was the guns, and mainly just the guns, we'd have proportionate instances. we simply do not. like, a country that has half the number of guns per citizen, should, by extension, have half the amount of shootings. that just doesn't happen. it's not even close to the same ratio. so yes, it's the guns. but it's also many other factors. 

Any resources on that topic to share? I’m not being flippant, I’m legit interested to read up on that. 

Halifax2TheMax

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

WTF is all I have to say.  And half moon is one of the nicest places I have ever visited. Guns be gone. The strict laws work in Japan where the crazies walk off in the woods and never come back. 

I do agree with 2Aers, however, that it's not JUST the guns. it's many things. culture, mental health, etc. 

I’m not anti-2A Hugh, but America is the only country that has this problem (at least on this scale). Other countries have mental illness, etc. 

It’s the guns. 

I agree with your earlier post about fatigue. There’s f-all that is going to be done about it. The NRA owns our government and guns are too ingrained in the culture. I’ve accepted it as a reality of living in America. 

but you'd think if it was the guns, and mainly just the guns, we'd have proportionate instances. we simply do not. like, a country that has half the number of guns per citizen, should, by extension, have half the amount of shootings. that just doesn't happen. it's not even close to the same ratio. so yes, it's the guns. but it's also many other factors. 

Any resources on that topic to share? I’m not being flippant, I’m legit interested to read up on that. 

The staggering scope of U.S. gun deaths goes far beyond mass shootings

The spate of shooting attacks in communities such as Highland Park, Ill.; Uvalde, Tex.; and Buffalohas riveted attention on America’s staggering number of public mass killings. But the rising number of gun deaths in the United States extends beyond such high-profile episodes, emerging nearly every day inside homes, outside bars and on the streets of many cities, according to federal data.

[There have been over 300 mass shootings so far in 2022]

The surge in gun violence comes as firearm purchases rose to record levels in 2020 and 2021, with more than 43 million guns estimated to have been purchased during that period, according to a Washington Post analysis of federal data on gun background checks. At the same time, the rate of gun deaths in those years hit the highest level since 1995, with more than 45,000 fatalities each year.

Guns are used in most suicides and are almost entirely responsible for an overall rise in homicides across the country from 2018 to 2021, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Over the long Fourth of July weekend, when seven people were killed and dozens wounded at a parade in Highland Park, numerous other fatal shootings played out across the country. In nearby Chicago, 10 people were killed and more than 60 wounded in a string of shootings over the weekend. One person was killed and four were wounded in a shooting outside a Sacramento nightclub. Two people were shot to death at a home in Haltom City, Tex., and a neighbor and three police officers were injured. A man was fatally shot in Clinton, N.C.; hours later, six people, including two children, were injured in a separate shooting there.

There is not one clear answer as to what is driving the rise inbloodshed, experts said, but possible factors include the stress of the coronavirus pandemic, fraying ties between the police and the public, mounting anger, worsening mental strain and the sheer number of guns in America.

“You put all that into a pressure cooker,” said Alex Piquero, a criminologist at the University of Miami, “and you let the pressure cooker blow up.”

[Mass violence takes toll on Americans’ psyches]

Local leaders, law enforcement officials and anti-violence workers say they have seen a worrisome trend recently, in which disputes that would have previously led to fistfights instead escalated rapidly to gunfire.

“What we’re seeing is a different type of violence here in Pittsburgh,” said the Rev. Eileen Smith, executive director of the South Pittsburgh Coalition for Peace, a nonprofit that includes violence interrupters. “They’re not fighting, at least not outside of school. They’re killing.”

The ample access to guns plays a significant role, experts said. Americans are arming themselves in the face of deepening fears and divisions, frightening public incidents involving gunfire or violence, or simply because they know others may also have guns.

Data shows that gun sales increase in the wake of violence, political events and uncertainty. Large spikes occurred after the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting; amid coronavirus shutdowns, racial justice protests and the presidential election in 2020; and after the Jan. 6, 2021, siege of the U.S. Capitol.

With an estimated 400 million guns in the country, a figure that eclipses the U.S. population, “there is a self-fulfilling prophecy of, ‘I need a gun because everyone else around me has a gun,’” said Sasha Cotton, director of the Minneapolis Office of Violence Prevention.

The agonizing frequency of nonfatal shootings and firearm deaths, experts said, has become a uniquely American phenomenon.

“Many other countries have disadvantaged folks who are angry and alienated,” said Richard Berk, a professor emeritus of criminology and statistics at the University of Pennsylvania. “But guns aren’t there.”

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HughFreakingDillon

compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita. 

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita. 

South American cultures are bathed in blood.  Sad!

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita. 

I’m curious to see a complete list of those 32 countries ahead of the US. (Not asking you to provide it, I can google). 

It’s a valid point, I’m legit interested in it; but when I read that firearms were the leading cause of death among 1-19 year olds in America in 2020 and study after study showing the presence of a firearm in the home increases your odds of being shot… yeah, I’m going to look at the presence of and obsession with guns in our country as being the root of the problem. 

Gern Blansten

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita. 

I’m curious to see a complete list of those 32 countries ahead of the US. (Not asking you to provide it, I can google). 

It’s a valid point, I’m legit interested in it; but when I read that firearms were the leading cause of death among 1-19 year olds in America in 2020 and study after study showing the presence of a firearm in the home increases your odds of being shot… yeah, I’m going to look at the presence of and obsession with guns in our country as being the root of the problem. 

Our gun laws are leading us to situations that many of us predicted. Any confrontation can quickly involve a gun. Any road rage incident, youth soccer game argument, someone parked in front of your house that you don't feel should be there, an incorrect fast food order, someone bumping into you on the sidewalk or in a bar, etc.

It will just get worse and worse until we pass laws to keep guns out of a lot of peoples hands.

Halifax2TheMax

The only thing that can stop a bad dog with a gun is a good dog with a gun. Arm your dogs people.

A man died in Kansas on Saturday after officials believe he was struck by a rifle that discharged after a dog stepped on it.

The shooting unfolded around 9:40 a.m. in a truck on the 1600 block of East 80th Street, a country road about 46 miles south of Wichita, Wellington Fire and EMS Chief Tim Hay told NBC News. The dog stepped on the rifle in the back of the truck, causing it to fire and hit the back of the man, who was found in the front passenger seat, he said.

Emergency medical personnel administered CPR before the 30-year-old victim, whose name has not yet been released, was pronounced dead at the scene, according to Hay.

Another person who was in the driver's seat was physically unharmed, he said.

It was not immediately clear who owned the truck and the dog or who called 911.

The investigation is ongoing, but officials say it appears to be a hunting-related accident, according to the Sumner County Sheriff’s Office, which added that hunting gear was also found in the back of the car.

Man dies after dog steps on rifle, causing it to discharge, Kansas officials say (nbcnews.com)

OnWis97

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita. 

I’m curious to see a complete list of those 32 countries ahead of the US. (Not asking you to provide it, I can google). 

It’s a valid point, I’m legit interested in it; but when I read that firearms were the leading cause of death among 1-19 year olds in America in 2020 and study after study showing the presence of a firearm in the home increases your odds of being shot… yeah, I’m going to look at the presence of and obsession with guns in our country as being the root of the problem. 

Our gun laws are leading us to situations that many of us predicted. Any confrontation can quickly involve a gun. Any road rage incident, youth soccer game argument, someone parked in front of your house that you don't feel should be there, an incorrect fast food order, someone bumping into you on the sidewalk or in a bar, etc.

It will just get worse and worse until we pass laws to keep guns out of a lot of peoples hands.

And, at least in some places, it'll be very hard to convict the shooter of anything. Good luck proving they were not feeling threatened.

I'm cynical but I cannot imagine this is the world anyone actually wants. I guess it's just something they'll accept to lick NRA boot and get viewership by scaring people into thinking there's a threat around every corner.

gimmesometruth27

Halifax2TheMax said:

The only thing that can stop a bad dog with a gun is a good dog with a gun. Arm your dogs people.

A man died in Kansas on Saturday after officials believe he was struck by a rifle that discharged after a dog stepped on it.

The shooting unfolded around 9:40 a.m. in a truck on the 1600 block of East 80th Street, a country road about 46 miles south of Wichita, Wellington Fire and EMS Chief Tim Hay told NBC News. The dog stepped on the rifle in the back of the truck, causing it to fire and hit the back of the man, who was found in the front passenger seat, he said.

Emergency medical personnel administered CPR before the 30-year-old victim, whose name has not yet been released, was pronounced dead at the scene, according to Hay.

Another person who was in the driver's seat was physically unharmed, he said.

It was not immediately clear who owned the truck and the dog or who called 911.

The investigation is ongoing, but officials say it appears to be a hunting-related accident, according to the Sumner County Sheriff’s Office, which added that hunting gear was also found in the back of the car.

Man dies after dog steps on rifle, causing it to discharge, Kansas officials say (nbcnews.com)

that's a helluva way to go. getting capped by your supposed best friend.

Gern Blansten

OnWis97 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita. 

I’m curious to see a complete list of those 32 countries ahead of the US. (Not asking you to provide it, I can google). 

It’s a valid point, I’m legit interested in it; but when I read that firearms were the leading cause of death among 1-19 year olds in America in 2020 and study after study showing the presence of a firearm in the home increases your odds of being shot… yeah, I’m going to look at the presence of and obsession with guns in our country as being the root of the problem. 

Our gun laws are leading us to situations that many of us predicted. Any confrontation can quickly involve a gun. Any road rage incident, youth soccer game argument, someone parked in front of your house that you don't feel should be there, an incorrect fast food order, someone bumping into you on the sidewalk or in a bar, etc.

It will just get worse and worse until we pass laws to keep guns out of a lot of peoples hands.

And, at least in some places, it'll be very hard to convict the shooter of anything. Good luck proving they were not feeling threatened.

I'm cynical but I cannot imagine this is the world anyone actually wants. I guess it's just something they'll accept to lick NRA boot and get viewership by scaring people into thinking there's a threat around every corner.

At some point the bodies will pile up high enough that the GOP won't be able to resist. Their arguments just won't hold water anymore. I really don't understand how we got here but I know it's related to money mostly.

HughFreakingDillon

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita. 

I’m curious to see a complete list of those 32 countries ahead of the US. (Not asking you to provide it, I can google). 

It’s a valid point, I’m legit interested in it; but when I read that firearms were the leading cause of death among 1-19 year olds in America in 2020 and study after study showing the presence of a firearm in the home increases your odds of being shot… yeah, I’m going to look at the presence of and obsession with guns in our country as being the root of the problem. 

yep, you stated it right there. presence of "and obsession with". that's culture. the number of guns is absolutely high on the list. I'm just saying it's not the sole reason, that's all. 

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita. 

I’ve always thought it was funny, one of the biggest factors is the elephant in the room we’re not allowed to discuss.
it’s the minority/poverty communities that have a ridiculous rate of gun homicides. Blacks make up about 2/3 of gun deaths, while only being about 15% of the population. They are 10 times more likely to die from a gun than a white person. We ignore this, even lash out when people bring up race, then scratch or head why we aren’t improving.
But we aren’t doing our minority kids any favors. Inner city schools are terrible, kids are failing out and gravitate towards crime. We make more excuses and the cycle gets worse. 

That’s the main reason we moved over the summer, I couldn’t be a part of it anymore. Working in an all minority school in the inner city, they refused to discipline. Fights would break out in class and they’d just send the kids back because it was racist to discipline a minority student. Literally what I was told by admin.
So we fail them there, they don’t get an education, get stuck in a community of poverty and have 10 times the rate of gun violence. And we act surprised.

brianlux

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita. 

I’ve always thought it was funny, one of the biggest factors is the elephant in the room we’re not allowed to discuss.
it’s the minority/poverty communities that have a ridiculous rate of gun homicides. Blacks make up about 2/3 of gun deaths, while only being about 15% of the population. They are 10 times more likely to die from a gun than a white person. We ignore this, even lash out when people bring up race, then scratch or head why we aren’t improving.
But we aren’t doing our minority kids any favors. Inner city schools are terrible, kids are failing out and gravitate towards crime. We make more excuses and the cycle gets worse. 

That’s the main reason we moved over the summer, I couldn’t be a part of it anymore. Working in an all minority school in the inner city, they refused to discipline. Fights would break out in class and they’d just send the kids back because it was racist to discipline a minority student. Literally what I was told by admin.
So we fail them there, they don’t get an education, get stuck in a community of poverty and have 10 times the rate of gun violence. And we act surprised.

Actually, this has been discussed on AMT a number of time and I do not recall anyone ever saying "You can't do that."

In fact, here is an article published in the Guardian (not what I would call a conservative publication) on that very subject written by a black man.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/02/black-communities-gun-violence-assumed-we-are-to-blame

As a nation, we witness the tragedy of gun violence on a regular basis. On the surface, it could be easy to look away – many Americans are desensitized to the devastation following the lives lost and the communities affected by someone with a gun. But if you take a closer look at the public portrayal of gun violence it correlates with the villainization of Black and brown Americans.

When people of color are involved in acts of gun violence, the assumption is we are to blame. We are living in the wrong neighborhood, or the violence was result of criminal activity. However, it is our communities that are most affected and harmed by these tragedies. This past year we have seen a significant rise in shootings nationwide – an increase that disproportionately affects majority-minority communities like mine. While Black men and boys make up only 2% of the population, we are most likely to be victims of gun violence. Failure to recognize the humanity in victims, regardless of the color of their skin, inherently diminishes the personal and societal value of that individual. This negligence is consistently applied to Black people. If we are the criminals, we are at fault. If we are the victims, we are at fault. If we are bystanders, we are at fault because we live in a country that does not afford us the presumption of innocence.

For decades, we’ve seen the negative responses to Black and brown Americans taking to the streets to protest against systemic barriers in work, education and daily life. We’ve seen peaceful protesters from Missouri to Minnesota bombarded with teargas and militarized police forces, but at the United States Capitol on 6 January 2021, what we saw was far from peaceful. The insurrection was an attack on our democracy with an underwhelming response from law enforcement. Initially, the terrorists did not fear the police and the police did not fear the terrorists – some even posed for pictures during the attack. Insurrection participants committed a treasonous act and one year later are still seen as non-threatening citizens who “made a mistake”. As a Black man, I cannot leave home without knowing that someone may perceive my presence as a threat. To think about what the response would have been if the crowd was chanting “No justice, no peace” instead of “Make America Great Again.”

In 2021, 18-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse, an illegally armed white male who murdered two people, was acquitted on all charges, and viewed by some as a hero. Five years earlier in 2016, 32-year-old Philando Castile, a legally armed Black male, was pulled over for a routine traffic stop. His compliance led to a police officer murdering him in front of his family. Rittenhouse crossed state lines with malicious intent and was applauded. His celebrity was encouraged by law enforcement and many banded together to raise money for his release. Castile, however, a legal gun owner, has been described using racial epithets and his death has been viewed by many as justified. A jury decided that the officer who killed Castile, like Rittenhouse, was scared for his life and declared him not guilty. Our gun ownership makes us a threat worthy of execution while white male gun ownership is admirable or heroic.

Black and brown communities remain angry, frustrated and heavily affected by these injustices. America perpetuates the trauma of Black and brown people by failing to address how the justice system encourages violence. The solutions offered only criminalize fallen loved ones and fuel distrust among survivors. In 2013, I was shot and while I was fighting for my life in the emergency room, I was interrogated and questioned as if I was a guilty party in my own shooting. When my story was covered in the media, the comment sections were filled with accusations that I was dealing drugs, that this was gang violence and some of the worst stereotypes imaginable. None of these people thought about the pain that I was in or my proximity to death. All they saw was a Black man with a gunshot wound who was in the wrong neighborhood. Since then, I have dedicated my life to sustained advocacy for Black and brown communities. Our fight aims to reshape racially motivated policies and tactics that are regularly demonstrated in American history.

My dedication to ending the public health crisis that is gun violence is shared by everyone at the Community Justice Action Fund. This year we worked closely with the Biden administration to advocate for changes to 26 individual grants across five agencies to allow $12bn in federal funding to be used for community-led efforts to reduce violence in states and municipalities. We also advocated for, and successfully secured, an additional $2bn in grant funding for this same goal. Over the past six years we have been consistently committed to ending gun violence in all forms with sustained advocacy and community investments that will make a lasting impact.

Prejudices within our systems make gun violence in Black and brown communities worse. We need our leaders to fund peace and invest in our communities, so that we can build a society free from gun violence: one where Americans, regardless of the color of their skin, are treated equally under the law. The Community Justice Action Fund will continue working each day to tell our stories, promote peace and end the unequal treatment of Black and brown people.

Gregory Jackson Jr is the executive director of the Community Justice Action Fund

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita. 

I’m curious to see a complete list of those 32 countries ahead of the US. (Not asking you to provide it, I can google). 

It’s a valid point, I’m legit interested in it; but when I read that firearms were the leading cause of death among 1-19 year olds in America in 2020 and study after study showing the presence of a firearm in the home increases your odds of being shot… yeah, I’m going to look at the presence of and obsession with guns in our country as being the root of the problem. 

yep, you stated it right there. presence of "and obsession with". that's culture. the number of guns is absolutely high on the list. I'm just saying it's not the sole reason, that's all. 

IMO it's the single biggest reason. Are there other factors? Sure, but many of those factors are present in other countries as well that don't have these absurd rates of gun violence. That can't be overstated. 

I get your point that 32 countries have higher gun deaths per capita, but OTOH, that's out of 195 countries... < 17%. 

We have a higher rate of gun death per capita than 83% of the rest of the world. 

nicknyr15

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita. 

I’m curious to see a complete list of those 32 countries ahead of the US. (Not asking you to provide it, I can google). 

It’s a valid point, I’m legit interested in it; but when I read that firearms were the leading cause of death among 1-19 year olds in America in 2020 and study after study showing the presence of a firearm in the home increases your odds of being shot… yeah, I’m going to look at the presence of and obsession with guns in our country as being the root of the problem. 

yep, you stated it right there. presence of "and obsession with". that's culture. the number of guns is absolutely high on the list. I'm just saying it's not the sole reason, that's all. 

IMO it's the single biggest reason. Are there other factors? Sure, but many of those factors are present in other countries as well that don't have these absurd rates of gun violence. That can't be overstated. 

I get your point that 32 countries have higher gun deaths per capita, but OTOH, that's out of 195 countries... < 17%. 

We have a higher rate of gun death per capita than 83% of the rest of the world. 

24 days into the year
69 mass shooting deaths 

mickeyrat

Out of My Mind and Time said:

LOL! The ugly mouse is wrong again. 

I nevet believed Kat or Sea when they say its an all ages forum. Well heres proof pre-teens are here.

Gern Blansten

Please don't feed the trolls.

mace1229

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita. 

I’ve always thought it was funny, one of the biggest factors is the elephant in the room we’re not allowed to discuss.
it’s the minority/poverty communities that have a ridiculous rate of gun homicides. Blacks make up about 2/3 of gun deaths, while only being about 15% of the population. They are 10 times more likely to die from a gun than a white person. We ignore this, even lash out when people bring up race, then scratch or head why we aren’t improving.
But we aren’t doing our minority kids any favors. Inner city schools are terrible, kids are failing out and gravitate towards crime. We make more excuses and the cycle gets worse. 

That’s the main reason we moved over the summer, I couldn’t be a part of it anymore. Working in an all minority school in the inner city, they refused to discipline. Fights would break out in class and they’d just send the kids back because it was racist to discipline a minority student. Literally what I was told by admin.
So we fail them there, they don’t get an education, get stuck in a community of poverty and have 10 times the rate of gun violence. And we act surprised.

Actually, this has been discussed on AMT a number of time and I do not recall anyone ever saying "You can't do that."

In fact, here is an article published in the Guardian (not what I would call a conservative publication) on that very subject written by a black man.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/02/black-communities-gun-violence-assumed-we-are-to-blame

I wasn't specifically referring to here. But as a teacher, I wouldn't feel comfortable making those statements at a staff meeting. It is geared so much in the other direction. We had a staff meeting a couple years ago that I consider anti-white, a black teacher stood up and announced he was going home today hating every white person (his exact words, "I am leaving today hating every white person."), and he was applauded for his bravery and honesty. So I'd never dare make those comments at a school. I wouldn't post that on Facebook for everyone to see. Kind of on the same topic, didn't an anchor at CNN get fired a few years ago for blaming violence in black communities on the large number of single parent households and the lack of parent involvement? So thats what I meant when I said its the elephant we don't want to talk about, not the AMT specifically. But even then, I havent seen anyone bring it up in the last couple pages. I saw a debate about what are the major causes and not once in this current discussion did I see black crime brought up. So I do think it is something people don't want to readily admit to or bring up. Being as obvious of a problem as it is, it should be the first factor mentioned, not one of the last.
A black man commenting on the violence in black communities isn't the same as a white person bringing it up too.

dudeman

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

compare mass shootings per 100,000 by country:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

to gun ownership per 100 citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the US rates highest, by far, in guns per person (double 2nd place). But rates 32nd in gun deaths per capita. 

I’ve always thought it was funny, one of the biggest factors is the elephant in the room we’re not allowed to discuss.
it’s the minority/poverty communities that have a ridiculous rate of gun homicides. Blacks make up about 2/3 of gun deaths, while only being about 15% of the population. They are 10 times more likely to die from a gun than a white person. We ignore this, even lash out when people bring up race, then scratch or head why we aren’t improving.
But we aren’t doing our minority kids any favors. Inner city schools are terrible, kids are failing out and gravitate towards crime. We make more excuses and the cycle gets worse. 

That’s the main reason we moved over the summer, I couldn’t be a part of it anymore. Working in an all minority school in the inner city, they refused to discipline. Fights would break out in class and they’d just send the kids back because it was racist to discipline a minority student. Literally what I was told by admin.
So we fail them there, they don’t get an education, get stuck in a community of poverty and have 10 times the rate of gun violence. And we act surprised.

Actually, this has been discussed on AMT a number of time and I do not recall anyone ever saying "You can't do that."

In fact, here is an article published in the Guardian (not what I would call a conservative publication) on that very subject written by a black man.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/02/black-communities-gun-violence-assumed-we-are-to-blame

I wasn't specifically referring to here. But as a teacher, I wouldn't feel comfortable making those statements at a staff meeting. It is geared so much in the other direction. We had a staff meeting a couple years ago that I consider anti-white, a black teacher stood up and announced he was going home today hating every white person (his exact words, "I am leaving today hating every white person."), and he was applauded for his bravery and honesty. So I'd never dare make those comments at a school. I wouldn't post that on Facebook for everyone to see. Kind of on the same topic, didn't an anchor at CNN get fired a few years ago for blaming violence in black communities on the large number of single parent households and the lack of parent involvement? So thats what I meant when I said its the elephant we don't want to talk about, not the AMT specifically. But even then, I havent seen anyone bring it up in the last couple pages. I saw a debate about what are the major causes and not once in this current discussion did I see black crime brought up. So I do think it is something people don't want to readily admit to or bring up. Being as obvious of a problem as it is, it should be the first factor mentioned, not one of the last.
A black man commenting on the violence in black communities isn't the same as a white person bringing it up too.

Agreed. This is a serious problem and one that needs greater attention from people in positions to make a difference. From my perspective, that happens at the individual, family and community level. Each of these cities that have been dealing with this issue is likely to be unique in terms of resources, demographics and community involvement. State or Federal legislation is not likely to solve those problems, even if new laws make white people feel like something has been accomplished. 

Halifax2TheMax

Gee, I wonder what the white community’s responsibility is as it relates to gun violence in ‘Murica? Anyone?

Halifax2TheMax

 Because we wouldn’t want to hold firearm sellers or individuals selling firearms at flea markets to be held accountable or have any way to track ownership of firearms, right? It’s all on the black community, right? To get their house in order and solve the scrounge of gun violence? Did I get that right?