Another Flo Rida “responsible” gun owner. Clearly, there are not enough guns in circulation. Definitely need more. And today is Tuesday. Think about that.
Family calls for arrest of White woman who fatally shot Black neighbor
Calls are growing for an arrest to be made in Florida after a Black mother of four was shot and killed by her White neighbor through the neighbor’s door — apparently over a dispute involving the victim’s children.
The neighbor had reportedly thrown roller skates at the children Friday, after which their mother knocked on the neighbor’s door to confront her about “harming the children,” according to a police report. The neighbor allegedly fired a gun from behind the door, hitting the mother.
Officials identified the victim as Ajike S. Owens, 35, also known as “AJ.” They said the suspect is a 58-year-old White woman, whom they did not identify.
The county sheriff said his office could not make an arrest in the shooting until authorities determined whether the use of force had been justified under Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law. The law states that a person can use deadly force if they reasonably believe it could “prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another.”
Lawyers representing Owens’s family said the shooting was “unjustified,” and alleged that the shooter had used racist language against Owens’s children. Racial dynamics were at play, said civil rights attorney Ben Crump, who is representing members of Owens’s family, in a statement calling for the alleged shooter’s arrest.
Around 9 p.m. Friday, deputies received a call about possible trespassing at a property in Ocala, Fla., approximately 50 miles south of Gainesville, Marion County Sheriff Billy Woods said Monday during a news conference. When the officers arrived, they found a woman suffering from a gunshot wound, Woods said. They tried to save her but she later died, Woods said, calling it a “tragic” incident.
No charges have been filed in the case. Woods said his office could not make an arrest until it determined whether the use of force was justified under Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law. The law states that a person can use deadly force if they reasonably believe it could “prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another.”
Lawyers representing Owens’s family said the shooting was “unjustified,” and alleged that the shooter had used racist language against Owens’s children. Racial dynamics were at play, said civil rights attorney Ben Crump, who is representing members of Owens’s family, in a statement calling for the alleged shooter’s arrest.
Around 9 p.m. Friday, deputies received a call about possible trespassing at a property in Ocala, Fla., approximately 50 miles south of Gainesville, Marion County Sheriff Billy Woods said Monday during a news conference. When the officers arrived, they found a woman suffering from a gunshot wound, Woods said. They tried to save her but she later died, Woods said, calling it a “tragic” incident.
White woman who fatally shot Black neighbor is arrested in Florida
By Freida Frisaro,
22 mins ago
OCALA, Fla. (AP) — A Florida woman accused of fatally shooting her neighbor last week in the violent culmination of what the sheriff described as a 2½-year feud was arrested Tuesday, the Marion County Sheriff’s Office said.
Susan Louise Lorincz, 58, who is white, was arrested on charges of manslaughter with a firearm, culpable negligence, battery and two counts of assault in the death of Ajike Owens, a Black mother of four, Sheriff Billy Woods said in a statement.
In a video posted on Facebook late Tuesday night, the sheriff said this was not a stand your ground case but “simply a killing.”
“Now many of you were struggling to understand why there was not an immediate arrest,” the sheriff said. “The laws here in the state of Florida are clear. Now I may not like them. I may not agree with them. But however, those laws I will follow.”
The video shared by the sheriff's office shows two detectives and a deputy escorting Lorincz, who was wearing shorts, a black top and a jacket, down a hallway. The woman's hands were behind her back as she walked.
Jail records show she was booked, but did not list a lawyer who could speak on her behalf. It wasn't immediately clear when she would make her first court appearance.
Woods said that when interviewed by investigators, Lorincz claimed she acted in self-defense and that Owens had been trying to break down her door prior to her discharging her firearm. Lorincz also claimed that Owens had come after her in the past and had previously attacked her. Through their investigation – including obtaining the statements of eyewitnesses – detectives were able to establish that Lorincz’s actions were not justifiable under Florida law, a statement from the sheriff's office said.
About three dozen mostly Black protesters gathered outside the Marion County Judicial Center to demand that the shooter be arrested in the country’s latest flashpoint over race and gun violence. The chief prosecutor, State Attorney William Gladson, met with the protesters and urged patience while the investigation continues.
“If we are going to make a case we need as much time and as much evidence as possible,” Gladson said. “I don’t want to compromise any criminal investigation and I’m not going to do that.”
Owens, 35, was killed in the Friday night shooting, Woods said. The women lived in the rolling hills south of Ocala, a north Florida city that is the heart of the state's horse country.
Woods had said Monday that detectives were working with the State Attorney’s Office and must investigate possible self-defense claims before they can move forward with any possible criminal charges. The sheriff pointed out that because of the stand your ground law he can’t legally make an arrest unless he can prove the shooter did not act in self-defense.
On Tuesday, a stuffed teddy bear and bouquets marked the area near where Owens was shot. Nearby, children were riding bikes and scooters, and playing basketball. Protesters chanted “No justice, no peace” and “A.J. A.J. A.J” using Owens’ nickname. They carried signs saying: “Say her name Ajike Owens” and “It’s about us.”
Outside, the Rev. Bernard Tuggerson said the Black community in Ocala has suffered injustices for years. “Marion County is suffering and needs to be healed completely,” he said. “If we don’t turn from our wicked ways of the world, it’s going to be an ongoing problem. We want answers.”
The sheriff said Owens was shot moments after going to Lorincz's apartment, who had yelled at Owens' children as they played in a nearby lot. He also said Lorincz had thrown a pair of skates that hit one of the children.
Deputies responding to a trespassing call at the apartment Friday night found Owens suffering from gunshot wounds. She later died at a hospital.
Before the confrontation, Lorincz had been yelling racial slurs at the children, according to a statement from civil rights attorney Ben Crump, who is representing Owens’ family. He also represented Trayvon Martin's family in 2012, when the Black teenager was killed in a case that drew worldwide attention to the state's stand your ground law.
The sheriff’s office hasn’t confirmed there were slurs uttered or said whether race was a factor in the shooting.
In a statement, Crump said while Owens’ family is “relieved” that an arrest has been made, they remain concerned it has taken this long because “archaic laws like Stand Your Ground exist”
Lauren Smith, 40, lives across the street from where the shooting happened. She was on her porch that day and saw one of Owens' young sons pacing, and yelling, “They shot my mama, they shot my mama.”
She ran toward the house, and started chest compressions until a rescue crew arrived. She said there wasn't an altercation and that Owens didn't have a weapon.
“She was angry all the time that the children were playing out there,” Smith said. “She would say nasty things to them. Just nasty.” Smith, who is white, described the neighborhood is family friendly.
The sheriff said that since January 2021, deputies responded at least a half-dozen calls in connection with what police described as feuding between Owens and Lorincz.
“There was a lot of aggressiveness from both of them, back and forth,” the sheriff said Lorincz told investigators. “Whether it be banging on the doors, banging on the walls and threats being made. And then at that moment is when Ms. Owens was shot through the door.”
“I'm absolutely heartbroken,” Angela Ferrell-Zabala, executive director of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, told The Associated Press. She described the fatal shooting as “so senseless.”
“We’ve seen this again and again across this country,” she said, adding that “it’s really because of lax gun laws and a culture of shoot first.”
Ferrell-Zabala said stand your ground cases, which she refers to as “shoot first laws," are deemed justifiable five times more frequently when a white shooter kills a Black victim.
In 2017, Florida lawmakers updated the state’s self-defense statute to shift the burden of proof from a person claiming self-defense to prosecutors. That means authorities have to rule out self-defense before bringing charges. Before the change in law, prosecutors could charge someone with a shooting, and then defense attorneys would have to present an affirmative defense for why their client shouldn’t be convicted.
In fact, stand your ground and “castle doctrine" cases — which allow residents to defend themselves either by law or court precedent when threatened — have sparked outrage amid a spate of shootings across the country.
In April, 84-year-old Andrew Lester, a white man, shot and injured 16-year-old Ralph Yarl, a Black teenager who rang his doorbell in Kansas City after mistakenly showing up at the wrong house to pick up his younger siblings. Lester faces charges of first-degree assault and armed criminal action; at trial, he may argue that he thought someone was trying to break into his house, as he told police.
Missouri and Florida are among about 30 states that have stand your ground laws.
The most well-known examples of the stand your ground argument came up in the trial of George Zimmerman, who fatally shot Trayvon Martin.
Zimmerman, who had a white father and Hispanic mother, told police that Martin attacked him, forcing him to use his gun in self-defense. He was allowed to go free, but was arrested about six weeks later after Martin’s parents questioned his version of events and then-Gov. Rick Scott appointed a special prosecutor.
Before trial, Zimmerman's attorneys chose not to pursue a stand your ground claim, which could have resulted in the dismissal of murder changes as well as immunity from prosecution. But during the trial, the law was essentially used as part of his self-defense argument. Jurors found him not guilty.
At a vigil Monday, Owens’ mother, Pamela Dias, said that she was seeking justice for her daughter and her grandchildren.
“My daughter, my grandchildren’s mother, was shot and killed with her 9-year-old son standing next to her,” Dias said. “She had no weapon. She posed no imminent threat to anyone.”
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White woman who fatally shot Black neighbor is arrested in Florida
By Freida Frisaro,
22 mins ago
OCALA, Fla. (AP) — A Florida woman accused of fatally shooting her neighbor last week in the violent culmination of what the sheriff described as a 2½-year feud was arrested Tuesday, the Marion County Sheriff’s Office said.
Susan Louise Lorincz, 58, who is white, was arrested on charges of manslaughter with a firearm, culpable negligence, battery and two counts of assault in the death of Ajike Owens, a Black mother of four, Sheriff Billy Woods said in a statement.
In a video posted on Facebook late Tuesday night, the sheriff said this was not a stand your ground case but “simply a killing.”
“Now many of you were struggling to understand why there was not an immediate arrest,” the sheriff said. “The laws here in the state of Florida are clear. Now I may not like them. I may not agree with them. But however, those laws I will follow.”
The video shared by the sheriff's office shows two detectives and a deputy escorting Lorincz, who was wearing shorts, a black top and a jacket, down a hallway. The woman's hands were behind her back as she walked.
Jail records show she was booked, but did not list a lawyer who could speak on her behalf. It wasn't immediately clear when she would make her first court appearance.
Woods said that when interviewed by investigators, Lorincz claimed she acted in self-defense and that Owens had been trying to break down her door prior to her discharging her firearm. Lorincz also claimed that Owens had come after her in the past and had previously attacked her. Through their investigation – including obtaining the statements of eyewitnesses – detectives were able to establish that Lorincz’s actions were not justifiable under Florida law, a statement from the sheriff's office said.
About three dozen mostly Black protesters gathered outside the Marion County Judicial Center to demand that the shooter be arrested in the country’s latest flashpoint over race and gun violence. The chief prosecutor, State Attorney William Gladson, met with the protesters and urged patience while the investigation continues.
“If we are going to make a case we need as much time and as much evidence as possible,” Gladson said. “I don’t want to compromise any criminal investigation and I’m not going to do that.”
Owens, 35, was killed in the Friday night shooting, Woods said. The women lived in the rolling hills south of Ocala, a north Florida city that is the heart of the state's horse country.
Woods had said Monday that detectives were working with the State Attorney’s Office and must investigate possible self-defense claims before they can move forward with any possible criminal charges. The sheriff pointed out that because of the stand your ground law he can’t legally make an arrest unless he can prove the shooter did not act in self-defense.
On Tuesday, a stuffed teddy bear and bouquets marked the area near where Owens was shot. Nearby, children were riding bikes and scooters, and playing basketball. Protesters chanted “No justice, no peace” and “A.J. A.J. A.J” using Owens’ nickname. They carried signs saying: “Say her name Ajike Owens” and “It’s about us.”
Outside, the Rev. Bernard Tuggerson said the Black community in Ocala has suffered injustices for years. “Marion County is suffering and needs to be healed completely,” he said. “If we don’t turn from our wicked ways of the world, it’s going to be an ongoing problem. We want answers.”
The sheriff said Owens was shot moments after going to Lorincz's apartment, who had yelled at Owens' children as they played in a nearby lot. He also said Lorincz had thrown a pair of skates that hit one of the children.
Deputies responding to a trespassing call at the apartment Friday night found Owens suffering from gunshot wounds. She later died at a hospital.
Before the confrontation, Lorincz had been yelling racial slurs at the children, according to a statement from civil rights attorney Ben Crump, who is representing Owens’ family. He also represented Trayvon Martin's family in 2012, when the Black teenager was killed in a case that drew worldwide attention to the state's stand your ground law.
The sheriff’s office hasn’t confirmed there were slurs uttered or said whether race was a factor in the shooting.
In a statement, Crump said while Owens’ family is “relieved” that an arrest has been made, they remain concerned it has taken this long because “archaic laws like Stand Your Ground exist”
Lauren Smith, 40, lives across the street from where the shooting happened. She was on her porch that day and saw one of Owens' young sons pacing, and yelling, “They shot my mama, they shot my mama.”
She ran toward the house, and started chest compressions until a rescue crew arrived. She said there wasn't an altercation and that Owens didn't have a weapon.
“She was angry all the time that the children were playing out there,” Smith said. “She would say nasty things to them. Just nasty.” Smith, who is white, described the neighborhood is family friendly.
The sheriff said that since January 2021, deputies responded at least a half-dozen calls in connection with what police described as feuding between Owens and Lorincz.
“There was a lot of aggressiveness from both of them, back and forth,” the sheriff said Lorincz told investigators. “Whether it be banging on the doors, banging on the walls and threats being made. And then at that moment is when Ms. Owens was shot through the door.”
“I'm absolutely heartbroken,” Angela Ferrell-Zabala, executive director of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, told The Associated Press. She described the fatal shooting as “so senseless.”
“We’ve seen this again and again across this country,” she said, adding that “it’s really because of lax gun laws and a culture of shoot first.”
Ferrell-Zabala said stand your ground cases, which she refers to as “shoot first laws," are deemed justifiable five times more frequently when a white shooter kills a Black victim.
In 2017, Florida lawmakers updated the state’s self-defense statute to shift the burden of proof from a person claiming self-defense to prosecutors. That means authorities have to rule out self-defense before bringing charges. Before the change in law, prosecutors could charge someone with a shooting, and then defense attorneys would have to present an affirmative defense for why their client shouldn’t be convicted.
In fact, stand your ground and “castle doctrine" cases — which allow residents to defend themselves either by law or court precedent when threatened — have sparked outrage amid a spate of shootings across the country.
In April, 84-year-old Andrew Lester, a white man, shot and injured 16-year-old Ralph Yarl, a Black teenager who rang his doorbell in Kansas City after mistakenly showing up at the wrong house to pick up his younger siblings. Lester faces charges of first-degree assault and armed criminal action; at trial, he may argue that he thought someone was trying to break into his house, as he told police.
Missouri and Florida are among about 30 states that have stand your ground laws.
The most well-known examples of the stand your ground argument came up in the trial of George Zimmerman, who fatally shot Trayvon Martin.
Zimmerman, who had a white father and Hispanic mother, told police that Martin attacked him, forcing him to use his gun in self-defense. He was allowed to go free, but was arrested about six weeks later after Martin’s parents questioned his version of events and then-Gov. Rick Scott appointed a special prosecutor.
Before trial, Zimmerman's attorneys chose not to pursue a stand your ground claim, which could have resulted in the dismissal of murder changes as well as immunity from prosecution. But during the trial, the law was essentially used as part of his self-defense argument. Jurors found him not guilty.
At a vigil Monday, Owens’ mother, Pamela Dias, said that she was seeking justice for her daughter and her grandchildren.
“My daughter, my grandchildren’s mother, was shot and killed with her 9-year-old son standing next to her,” Dias said. “She had no weapon. She posed no imminent threat to anyone.”
___
Frisaro reported from Fort Lauderdale.
I hope she goes to jail till her last breath! Evil POS human
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Careful who you choose to bury you after you’re shot and killed. They might just be “responsible.”
Police: Funeral company owner shot pallbearer at burial of 10-year-old
Wilson Chavis, 48, opened fire after confronting two people affiliated with another funeral company, police said
A Maryland funeral company owner has been charged with fatally shooting a pallbearer at the Tuesday afternoon burial of a 10-year-old D.C. homicide victim, police said Wednesday.
Wilson Chavis, 48, of Hughesville, Md., is charged with first-and second-degree murder in the killing of Ronald Steven Banks, 30, of Washington, after police say he opened fire following a business dispute with others.
Chavis, police said, was in charge of funeral and burial services for Arianna Davis, a 10-year-old girl who was shot and critically injured while riding in a vehicle with her parents and siblings on Mother’s Day in D.C. and died days later.
Just before her burial at Washington National Cemetery in Suitland on Tuesday afternoon, police said, Chavis confronted a pastor and another person at the service who were affiliated with a different funeral company with which he had a “long-standing business dispute.”
Colorado what kind of gun laws do they have if any? Like I said up above the chances of getting hurt by gun violence totally increase by being around them!
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Two people were killed and several others were wounded in a mass shooting at the campgrounds near Washington’s Gorge Amphitheatre during an electronic dance music festival Saturday night, according to the Grant County Sheriff’s Office.
Three people were wounded, including the shooter, who was taken into custody, authorities said.
The report of the shooting came in at about 8:25 p.m. at the campgrounds near the town of George, the Sheriff’s Office said in a Facebook post.
The suspected shooter walked away from the shooting scene before officers tracked him down, according to Sheriff’s Office spokesman Kyle Foreman. The suspect shot “randomly” into the crowd as he fled and was eventually taken into custody, Foreman said.
The Gorge Amphitheatre was hosting a two-day music festival called Beyond Wonderland at the time, and the campgrounds were located several hundred yards from the venue, Foreman said.
Authorities have not provided details on the suspect, victims, the weapon used or the motive. The incident will be investigated by the Washington Office of Independent Investigation, the government branch tasked with investigating officer-involved shootings, Foreman said.
The Beyond Wonderland festival continued on Saturday night despite the shooting but put out a statement saying to avoid part of the campgrounds.
“Please avoid the Gorge Gate H campgrounds area as it is closed due to an incident that has been handled by local authorities. There is no current danger to festival goers or the campgrounds,” the festival said in a tweet Saturday night.
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Arrest and charge the 2 year old! Oh wait, can’t do that. Arrest and charge the “responsible” gun owner. Wait, can’t do that, they’re dead. Arrest and charge Hunter Biden!
Oh look, complaints about gun
violence are back! The boards Libbies had absolutely nothing to say about
the many shootings at Juneteenth celebrations over the weekend. That's ok
I guess. It's only certain demographics that they have a problem with when it
comes to gun violence.
Oh look, complaints about gun
violence are back! The boards Libbies had absolutely nothing to say about
the many shootings at Juneteenth celebrations over the weekend. That's ok
I guess. It's only certain demographics that they have a problem with when it
comes to gun violence.
This thread is years old! Try to catch up and I personally have a problem with all gun violence no matter what demographics are involved, maybe just maybe we are numb to all the killings every single day
Oh look, complaints about gun
violence are back! The boards Libbies had absolutely nothing to say about
the many shootings at Juneteenth celebrations over the weekend. That's ok
I guess. It's only certain demographics that they have a problem with when it
comes to gun violence.
Please share those many shootings
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Oh look, complaints about gun
violence are back! The boards Libbies had absolutely nothing to say about
the many shootings at Juneteenth celebrations over the weekend. That's ok
I guess. It's only certain demographics that they have a problem with when it
comes to gun violence.
Oh look, complaints about gun
violence are back! The boards Libbies had absolutely nothing to say about
the many shootings at Juneteenth celebrations over the weekend. That's ok
I guess. It's only certain demographics that they have a problem with when it
comes to gun violence.
Oh look, complaints about gun
violence are back! The boards Libbies had absolutely nothing to say about
the many shootings at Juneteenth celebrations over the weekend. That's ok
I guess. It's only certain demographics that they have a problem with when it
comes to gun violence.
Sorry....why do you think people care about only certain demographics when it comes to gun violence? What do you mean?
Oh look, complaints about gun
violence are back! The boards Libbies had absolutely nothing to say about
the many shootings at Juneteenth celebrations over the weekend. That's ok
I guess. It's only certain demographics that they have a problem with when it
comes to gun violence.
Should this “responsible” gun owner be allowed to possess firearms and should he be prosecuted? And talk about white privilege, eh?
Teens turned around in a fire chief’s driveway. He pulled a gun on them.
Last year, a South Carolina emergency dispatcher stayed on the line with two teenagers who said they were being chased by two pickup trucks at high speed. On the other end of the call, the voice sounded increasingly desperate.
“They’re making us get out of the car with guns,” one of the teenagers said, according to audio recordings of the 911 call obtained by The Washington Post. “Ma’am, I’m sorry. I’m getting — we’re getting on the ground.”
The teens had, about 10 minutes earlier, told the dispatcher they had turned around in someone’s driveway, prompting the man and another driver — later identified as Townville Fire Chief Billy McAdams and his son — to pursue them, according to the audio. Over the next several minutes, the teenagers said they’d almost been chased off the road and blocked — and by 7:20 p.m., were face down in the middle of a road with a pistol pointing at them.
That Aug. 29 encounter is now at the center of an investigation South Carolina authorities reopened last week. It’s also the basis of a lawsuit filed earlier this year against McAdams and his son, Wyatt, by the mothers of two 17-year-olds identified in court documents as “John Doe” and “Richard Roe.”
The suit accuses the McAdamses of falsely imprisoning the two teens, assaulting them and intentionally inflicting emotional distress. In a court filing, McAdams admitted to chasing the car and pointing his pistol at the boys but denied the charges set forth in the lawsuit.
“First and foremost, Mr. McAdams is extremely concerned about the situation and is committed to addressing any allegations with the utmost sincerity and cooperation,” Amanda Bradley, the McAdamses’ attorney, said in a statement to The Post. “We believe a complete picture of all the facts will validate our client’s position and are confident in the ability of the legal system to deliver justice.”
No one was charged after the incident, and the case was closed soon after. This week, FOX Carolinaobtained the reports and 911 recordings. The station reported that the investigation into the 2022 incident had been reopened.
Jimmy Watt, a spokesperson with the Oconee County Sheriff’s Office, confirmed to The Post that the case has been reopened “due to new information.”
The situation began around 7 p.m. one night last summer when Doe and Roe were scouting geese at a nearby lake ahead of the hunting season, the lawsuit alleges.
The teenagers were driving down a road near the rural town of Townville when they realized they had to turn back. They spotted a “large, well-maintained gravel drive that appeared to be suitable for turning around,” the lawsuit states, and decided to do a three-point turn there.
It was McAdams’s driveway. The fire chief, who in 2016 gained national attention after being one of the first responders to the Townville Elementary School shooting, didn’t recognize the car, nor could he see who was inside because of its tinted windows, according to a sheriff’s office incident report. McAdams and his son then jumped into theirtrucks and followed the teenagers — a decision McAdams told an officer he made following “a lot of thefts” at his home, the report states.
Noticing they were being chased, the teenagers called 911.
“They’re yelling and trying to run us off the road,” a teen told the dispatcher. “And all we did was we just made a little quick turn around in their yard, gave them a wave because they were in their garage. We went by, and they’ve just been chasing us ever since.”
“We were going to pull over to just like, tell them what we’re doing, but they were extremely enraged, and we didn’t want to have a gun pulled on us or anything like that,” he added, according to the audio recordings.
During the next 15 minutes, dispatchers from two counties scrambled to make sense of what was going on. While dispatchers from Oconee County talked to the two teenagers who said they’d been pulled into a high-speed chase, McAdams had called the Anderson County Sheriff’s Office to say he “possibly witnessed a robbery and is following a car” into Oconee County, according to recordings of the calls.
When authorities in the two counties realized it was the same incident, the Oconee County dispatcher urged an Anderson County officer to tell McAdams not to exit his vehicle, but the fire chief had already hung up, the audio recordings show.
The teens, meanwhile, had been sandwiched at an intersection by the McAdamses, the lawsuit alleges. The fire chief then screamed at them and urged them to get on the ground. While they did, they kept in contact with the emergency dispatchers, who asked them to pass the phone to the fire chief. McAdams later said in a court filing that he “put away his weapon when he saw how young the two unidentified individuals were.”
“Billy, listen. Listen. Can you get in your vehicle as well and just not talk to them and separate yourself from them? We’ve got people headed that way, okay?” the dispatcher told McAdams, according to the recordings.
“I’m good. I can sit right here. We’re going to pull up to this next driveway … I’m not going anywhere,” he responded. McAdams and the two teenagers then waited for law enforcement in a “random lady’s driveway,” one of the teenagers said.
Officer Patrick Heaton from the Oconee County Sheriff’s Office arrived by 7:28 p.m. He interviewed everyone involved and cleared the scene. A few hours later, the “frustrated” mother of one of the teenagers called the sheriff’s office and said her son “did not understand why a gun had to be involved,” according to an incident report.
A report from the sheriff’s office documents efforts to call the families as part of the ensuing investigation, but when officers couldn’t make contact after multiple tries, the case was closed.
The teenagers’ mothers filed the lawsuit against McAdams and his son on April 3. Their complaint alleges that his conduct was “utterly intolerable in a civilized community.”
Should this “responsible” gun owner be allowed to possess firearms and should he be prosecuted? And talk about white privilege, eh?
Teens turned around in a fire chief’s driveway. He pulled a gun on them.
Last year, a South Carolina emergency dispatcher stayed on the line with two teenagers who said they were being chased by two pickup trucks at high speed. On the other end of the call, the voice sounded increasingly desperate.
“They’re making us get out of the car with guns,” one of the teenagers said, according to audio recordings of the 911 call obtained by The Washington Post. “Ma’am, I’m sorry. I’m getting — we’re getting on the ground.”
The teens had, about 10 minutes earlier, told the dispatcher they had turned around in someone’s driveway, prompting the man and another driver — later identified as Townville Fire Chief Billy McAdams and his son — to pursue them, according to the audio. Over the next several minutes, the teenagers said they’d almost been chased off the road and blocked — and by 7:20 p.m., were face down in the middle of a road with a pistol pointing at them.
That Aug. 29 encounter is now at the center of an investigation South Carolina authorities reopened last week. It’s also the basis of a lawsuit filed earlier this year against McAdams and his son, Wyatt, by the mothers of two 17-year-olds identified in court documents as “John Doe” and “Richard Roe.”
The suit accuses the McAdamses of falsely imprisoning the two teens, assaulting them and intentionally inflicting emotional distress. In a court filing, McAdams admitted to chasing the car and pointing his pistol at the boys but denied the charges set forth in the lawsuit.
“First and foremost, Mr. McAdams is extremely concerned about the situation and is committed to addressing any allegations with the utmost sincerity and cooperation,” Amanda Bradley, the McAdamses’ attorney, said in a statement to The Post. “We believe a complete picture of all the facts will validate our client’s position and are confident in the ability of the legal system to deliver justice.”
No one was charged after the incident, and the case was closed soon after. This week, FOX Carolinaobtained the reports and 911 recordings. The station reported that the investigation into the 2022 incident had been reopened.
Jimmy Watt, a spokesperson with the Oconee County Sheriff’s Office, confirmed to The Post that the case has been reopened “due to new information.”
The situation began around 7 p.m. one night last summer when Doe and Roe were scouting geese at a nearby lake ahead of the hunting season, the lawsuit alleges.
The teenagers were driving down a road near the rural town of Townville when they realized they had to turn back. They spotted a “large, well-maintained gravel drive that appeared to be suitable for turning around,” the lawsuit states, and decided to do a three-point turn there.
It was McAdams’s driveway. The fire chief, who in 2016 gained national attention after being one of the first responders to the Townville Elementary School shooting, didn’t recognize the car, nor could he see who was inside because of its tinted windows, according to a sheriff’s office incident report. McAdams and his son then jumped into theirtrucks and followed the teenagers — a decision McAdams told an officer he made following “a lot of thefts” at his home, the report states.
Noticing they were being chased, the teenagers called 911.
“They’re yelling and trying to run us off the road,” a teen told the dispatcher. “And all we did was we just made a little quick turn around in their yard, gave them a wave because they were in their garage. We went by, and they’ve just been chasing us ever since.”
“We were going to pull over to just like, tell them what we’re doing, but they were extremely enraged, and we didn’t want to have a gun pulled on us or anything like that,” he added, according to the audio recordings.
During the next 15 minutes, dispatchers from two counties scrambled to make sense of what was going on. While dispatchers from Oconee County talked to the two teenagers who said they’d been pulled into a high-speed chase, McAdams had called the Anderson County Sheriff’s Office to say he “possibly witnessed a robbery and is following a car” into Oconee County, according to recordings of the calls.
When authorities in the two counties realized it was the same incident, the Oconee County dispatcher urged an Anderson County officer to tell McAdams not to exit his vehicle, but the fire chief had already hung up, the audio recordings show.
The teens, meanwhile, had been sandwiched at an intersection by the McAdamses, the lawsuit alleges. The fire chief then screamed at them and urged them to get on the ground. While they did, they kept in contact with the emergency dispatchers, who asked them to pass the phone to the fire chief. McAdams later said in a court filing that he “put away his weapon when he saw how young the two unidentified individuals were.”
“Billy, listen. Listen. Can you get in your vehicle as well and just not talk to them and separate yourself from them? We’ve got people headed that way, okay?” the dispatcher told McAdams, according to the recordings.
“I’m good. I can sit right here. We’re going to pull up to this next driveway … I’m not going anywhere,” he responded. McAdams and the two teenagers then waited for law enforcement in a “random lady’s driveway,” one of the teenagers said.
Officer Patrick Heaton from the Oconee County Sheriff’s Office arrived by 7:28 p.m. He interviewed everyone involved and cleared the scene. A few hours later, the “frustrated” mother of one of the teenagers called the sheriff’s office and said her son “did not understand why a gun had to be involved,” according to an incident report.
A report from the sheriff’s office documents efforts to call the families as part of the ensuing investigation, but when officers couldn’t make contact after multiple tries, the case was closed.
The teenagers’ mothers filed the lawsuit against McAdams and his son on April 3. Their complaint alleges that his conduct was “utterly intolerable in a civilized community.”
It’s perfectly normal to do that chase the car for making a three point turn and terrorizing the teens just to teach them a lesson on proper Uturn techniques! With a gun drawn
"Pulled a gun?" Pfft. If nobody was shot, that's a win nowadays.
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OCALA, Fla. (AP) — A Florida woman accused of fatally shooting her neighbor last week in the violent culmination of what the sheriff described as a 2½-year feud was arrested Tuesday, the Marion County Sheriff’s Office said.
Susan Louise Lorincz, 58, who is white, was arrested on charges of manslaughter with a firearm, culpable negligence, battery and two counts of assault in the death of Ajike Owens, a Black mother of four, Sheriff Billy Woods said in a statement.
Authorities came under pressure Tuesday to arrest and charge the woman who fired through her front her door and killed Owens in a case that has put Florida’s divisive stand your ground law back into the spotlight.
In a video posted on Facebook late Tuesday night, the sheriff said this was not a stand your ground case but “simply a killing.”
“Now many of you were struggling to understand why there was not an immediate arrest,” the sheriff said. “The laws here in the state of Florida are clear. Now I may not like them. I may not agree with them. But however, those laws I will follow.”
The video shared by the sheriff's office shows two detectives and a deputy escorting Lorincz, who was wearing shorts, a black top and a jacket, down a hallway. The woman's hands were behind her back as she walked.
Jail records show she was booked, but did not list a lawyer who could speak on her behalf. It wasn't immediately clear when she would make her first court appearance.
Woods said that when interviewed by investigators, Lorincz claimed she acted in self-defense and that Owens had been trying to break down her door prior to her discharging her firearm. Lorincz also claimed that Owens had come after her in the past and had previously attacked her. Through their investigation – including obtaining the statements of eyewitnesses – detectives were able to establish that Lorincz’s actions were not justifiable under Florida law, a statement from the sheriff's office said.
About three dozen mostly Black protesters gathered outside the Marion County Judicial Center to demand that the shooter be arrested in the country’s latest flashpoint over race and gun violence. The chief prosecutor, State Attorney William Gladson, met with the protesters and urged patience while the investigation continues.
“If we are going to make a case we need as much time and as much evidence as possible,” Gladson said. “I don’t want to compromise any criminal investigation and I’m not going to do that.”
Owens, 35, was killed in the Friday night shooting, Woods said. The women lived in the rolling hills south of Ocala, a north Florida city that is the heart of the state's horse country.
Woods had said Monday that detectives were working with the State Attorney’s Office and must investigate possible self-defense claims before they can move forward with any possible criminal charges. The sheriff pointed out that because of the stand your ground law he can’t legally make an arrest unless he can prove the shooter did not act in self-defense.
On Tuesday, a stuffed teddy bear and bouquets marked the area near where Owens was shot. Nearby, children were riding bikes and scooters, and playing basketball. Protesters chanted “No justice, no peace” and “A.J. A.J. A.J” using Owens’ nickname. They carried signs saying: “Say her name Ajike Owens” and “It’s about us.”
Outside, the Rev. Bernard Tuggerson said the Black community in Ocala has suffered injustices for years. “Marion County is suffering and needs to be healed completely,” he said. “If we don’t turn from our wicked ways of the world, it’s going to be an ongoing problem. We want answers.”
The sheriff said Owens was shot moments after going to Lorincz's apartment, who had yelled at Owens' children as they played in a nearby lot. He also said Lorincz had thrown a pair of skates that hit one of the children.
Deputies responding to a trespassing call at the apartment Friday night found Owens suffering from gunshot wounds. She later died at a hospital.
Before the confrontation, Lorincz had been yelling racial slurs at the children, according to a statement from civil rights attorney Ben Crump, who is representing Owens’ family. He also represented Trayvon Martin's family in 2012, when the Black teenager was killed in a case that drew worldwide attention to the state's stand your ground law.
The sheriff’s office hasn’t confirmed there were slurs uttered or said whether race was a factor in the shooting.
In a statement, Crump said while Owens’ family is “relieved” that an arrest has been made, they remain concerned it has taken this long because “archaic laws like Stand Your Ground exist”
Lauren Smith, 40, lives across the street from where the shooting happened. She was on her porch that day and saw one of Owens' young sons pacing, and yelling, “They shot my mama, they shot my mama.”
She ran toward the house, and started chest compressions until a rescue crew arrived. She said there wasn't an altercation and that Owens didn't have a weapon.
“She was angry all the time that the children were playing out there,” Smith said. “She would say nasty things to them. Just nasty.” Smith, who is white, described the neighborhood is family friendly.
The sheriff said that since January 2021, deputies responded at least a half-dozen calls in connection with what police described as feuding between Owens and Lorincz.
“There was a lot of aggressiveness from both of them, back and forth,” the sheriff said Lorincz told investigators. “Whether it be banging on the doors, banging on the walls and threats being made. And then at that moment is when Ms. Owens was shot through the door.”
“I'm absolutely heartbroken,” Angela Ferrell-Zabala, executive director of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, told The Associated Press. She described the fatal shooting as “so senseless.”
“We’ve seen this again and again across this country,” she said, adding that “it’s really because of lax gun laws and a culture of shoot first.”
Ferrell-Zabala said stand your ground cases, which she refers to as “shoot first laws," are deemed justifiable five times more frequently when a white shooter kills a Black victim.
In 2017, Florida lawmakers updated the state’s self-defense statute to shift the burden of proof from a person claiming self-defense to prosecutors. That means authorities have to rule out self-defense before bringing charges. Before the change in law, prosecutors could charge someone with a shooting, and then defense attorneys would have to present an affirmative defense for why their client shouldn’t be convicted.
In fact, stand your ground and “castle doctrine" cases — which allow residents to defend themselves either by law or court precedent when threatened — have sparked outrage amid a spate of shootings across the country.
In April, 84-year-old Andrew Lester, a white man, shot and injured 16-year-old Ralph Yarl, a Black teenager who rang his doorbell in Kansas City after mistakenly showing up at the wrong house to pick up his younger siblings. Lester faces charges of first-degree assault and armed criminal action; at trial, he may argue that he thought someone was trying to break into his house, as he told police.
Missouri and Florida are among about 30 states that have stand your ground laws.
The most well-known examples of the stand your ground argument came up in the trial of George Zimmerman, who fatally shot Trayvon Martin.
Zimmerman, who had a white father and Hispanic mother, told police that Martin attacked him, forcing him to use his gun in self-defense. He was allowed to go free, but was arrested about six weeks later after Martin’s parents questioned his version of events and then-Gov. Rick Scott appointed a special prosecutor.
Before trial, Zimmerman's attorneys chose not to pursue a stand your ground claim, which could have resulted in the dismissal of murder changes as well as immunity from prosecution. But during the trial, the law was essentially used as part of his self-defense argument. Jurors found him not guilty.
At a vigil Monday, Owens’ mother, Pamela Dias, said that she was seeking justice for her daughter and her grandchildren.
“My daughter, my grandchildren’s mother, was shot and killed with her 9-year-old son standing next to her,” Dias said. “She had no weapon. She posed no imminent threat to anyone.”
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Frisaro reported from Fort Lauderdale.
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Police: Funeral company owner shot pallbearer at burial of 10-year-old
Wilson Chavis, 48, opened fire after confronting two people affiliated with another funeral company, police said
A Maryland funeral company owner has been charged with fatally shooting a pallbearer at the Tuesday afternoon burial of a 10-year-old D.C. homicide victim, police said Wednesday.
Wilson Chavis, 48, of Hughesville, Md., is charged with first-and second-degree murder in the killing of Ronald Steven Banks, 30, of Washington, after police say he opened fire following a business dispute with others.
Chavis, police said, was in charge of funeral and burial services for Arianna Davis, a 10-year-old girl who was shot and critically injured while riding in a vehicle with her parents and siblings on Mother’s Day in D.C. and died days later.
Just before her burial at Washington National Cemetery in Suitland on Tuesday afternoon, police said, Chavis confronted a pastor and another person at the service who were affiliated with a different funeral company with which he had a “long-standing business dispute.”
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/18/us/gorge-campgrounds-shooting/index.html
Two people were killed and several others were wounded in a mass shooting at the campgrounds near Washington’s Gorge Amphitheatre during an electronic dance music festival Saturday night, according to the Grant County Sheriff’s Office.
Three people were wounded, including the shooter, who was taken into custody, authorities said.
The report of the shooting came in at about 8:25 p.m. at the campgrounds near the town of George, the Sheriff’s Office said in a Facebook post.
The suspected shooter walked away from the shooting scene before officers tracked him down, according to Sheriff’s Office spokesman Kyle Foreman. The suspect shot “randomly” into the crowd as he fled and was eventually taken into custody, Foreman said.
The Gorge Amphitheatre was hosting a two-day music festival called Beyond Wonderland at the time, and the campgrounds were located several hundred yards from the venue, Foreman said.
Authorities have not provided details on the suspect, victims, the weapon used or the motive. The incident will be investigated by the Washington Office of Independent Investigation, the government branch tasked with investigating officer-involved shootings, Foreman said.
The Beyond Wonderland festival continued on Saturday night despite the shooting but put out a statement saying to avoid part of the campgrounds.
“Please avoid the Gorge Gate H campgrounds area as it is closed due to an incident that has been handled by local authorities. There is no current danger to festival goers or the campgrounds,” the festival said in a tweet Saturday night.
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Oh look, complaints about gun violence are back! The boards Libbies had absolutely nothing to say about the many shootings at Juneteenth celebrations over the weekend. That's ok I guess. It's only certain demographics that they have a problem with when it comes to gun violence.
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Shootings on Juneteenth weekend leave at least 12 dead, more than 100 injured - CBS News
Milwaukee Juneteenth shooting: Six teens shot after celebration outside downtown | CNN
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Teens turned around in a fire chief’s driveway. He pulled a gun on them.
Last year, a South Carolina emergency dispatcher stayed on the line with two teenagers who said they were being chased by two pickup trucks at high speed. On the other end of the call, the voice sounded increasingly desperate.
“They’re making us get out of the car with guns,” one of the teenagers said, according to audio recordings of the 911 call obtained by The Washington Post. “Ma’am, I’m sorry. I’m getting — we’re getting on the ground.”
The teens had, about 10 minutes earlier, told the dispatcher they had turned around in someone’s driveway, prompting the man and another driver — later identified as Townville Fire Chief Billy McAdams and his son — to pursue them, according to the audio. Over the next several minutes, the teenagers said they’d almost been chased off the road and blocked — and by 7:20 p.m., were face down in the middle of a road with a pistol pointing at them.
That Aug. 29 encounter is now at the center of an investigation South Carolina authorities reopened last week. It’s also the basis of a lawsuit filed earlier this year against McAdams and his son, Wyatt, by the mothers of two 17-year-olds identified in court documents as “John Doe” and “Richard Roe.”
The suit accuses the McAdamses of falsely imprisoning the two teens, assaulting them and intentionally inflicting emotional distress. In a court filing, McAdams admitted to chasing the car and pointing his pistol at the boys but denied the charges set forth in the lawsuit.
“First and foremost, Mr. McAdams is extremely concerned about the situation and is committed to addressing any allegations with the utmost sincerity and cooperation,” Amanda Bradley, the McAdamses’ attorney, said in a statement to The Post. “We believe a complete picture of all the facts will validate our client’s position and are confident in the ability of the legal system to deliver justice.”
No one was charged after the incident, and the case was closed soon after. This week, FOX Carolinaobtained the reports and 911 recordings. The station reported that the investigation into the 2022 incident had been reopened.
Jimmy Watt, a spokesperson with the Oconee County Sheriff’s Office, confirmed to The Post that the case has been reopened “due to new information.”
The situation began around 7 p.m. one night last summer when Doe and Roe were scouting geese at a nearby lake ahead of the hunting season, the lawsuit alleges.
The teenagers were driving down a road near the rural town of Townville when they realized they had to turn back. They spotted a “large, well-maintained gravel drive that appeared to be suitable for turning around,” the lawsuit states, and decided to do a three-point turn there.
It was McAdams’s driveway. The fire chief, who in 2016 gained national attention after being one of the first responders to the Townville Elementary School shooting, didn’t recognize the car, nor could he see who was inside because of its tinted windows, according to a sheriff’s office incident report. McAdams and his son then jumped into theirtrucks and followed the teenagers — a decision McAdams told an officer he made following “a lot of thefts” at his home, the report states.
Noticing they were being chased, the teenagers called 911.
“They’re yelling and trying to run us off the road,” a teen told the dispatcher. “And all we did was we just made a little quick turn around in their yard, gave them a wave because they were in their garage. We went by, and they’ve just been chasing us ever since.”
“We were going to pull over to just like, tell them what we’re doing, but they were extremely enraged, and we didn’t want to have a gun pulled on us or anything like that,” he added, according to the audio recordings.
During the next 15 minutes, dispatchers from two counties scrambled to make sense of what was going on. While dispatchers from Oconee County talked to the two teenagers who said they’d been pulled into a high-speed chase, McAdams had called the Anderson County Sheriff’s Office to say he “possibly witnessed a robbery and is following a car” into Oconee County, according to recordings of the calls.
When authorities in the two counties realized it was the same incident, the Oconee County dispatcher urged an Anderson County officer to tell McAdams not to exit his vehicle, but the fire chief had already hung up, the audio recordings show.
The teens, meanwhile, had been sandwiched at an intersection by the McAdamses, the lawsuit alleges. The fire chief then screamed at them and urged them to get on the ground. While they did, they kept in contact with the emergency dispatchers, who asked them to pass the phone to the fire chief. McAdams later said in a court filing that he “put away his weapon when he saw how young the two unidentified individuals were.”
“Billy, listen. Listen. Can you get in your vehicle as well and just not talk to them and separate yourself from them? We’ve got people headed that way, okay?” the dispatcher told McAdams, according to the recordings.
“I’m good. I can sit right here. We’re going to pull up to this next driveway … I’m not going anywhere,” he responded. McAdams and the two teenagers then waited for law enforcement in a “random lady’s driveway,” one of the teenagers said.
Officer Patrick Heaton from the Oconee County Sheriff’s Office arrived by 7:28 p.m. He interviewed everyone involved and cleared the scene. A few hours later, the “frustrated” mother of one of the teenagers called the sheriff’s office and said her son “did not understand why a gun had to be involved,” according to an incident report.
A report from the sheriff’s office documents efforts to call the families as part of the ensuing investigation, but when officers couldn’t make contact after multiple tries, the case was closed.
The teenagers’ mothers filed the lawsuit against McAdams and his son on April 3. Their complaint alleges that his conduct was “utterly intolerable in a civilized community.”
A hearing has not yet been scheduled in the case.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/23/fire-chief-teens-gun-lawsuit/
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