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Should PJ take a page out of NIN's book...

walkunafraidwalkunafraid Posts: 2,602
edited March 2008 in The Porch
...and not do any encores? At least at the NIN shows that I've been to, Trent Reznor and co. refuse to go offstage for the typical "encore." They just keep on playing until their show is done.

Seems to me in the time it takes for an encore (or encores), an extra 1-2 songs can be added to the setlist.

Assuming, of course, that the subtraction of the encore would not reduce the length of the total show, would you be willing to give up the bands encore(s) for an extra song or two to be added to the set?
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  • releaseme4034releaseme4034 Posts: 22
    I would rather see the band take the one or two encores just to give them a bit of a break. I have seen many concerts and only one pearl jam show and they play for a good 17-20 songs for the regular set then between 2-5 songs for the encore(s). The only other band I have seen that has play close to that many songs in a set was Dave Matthews Band Their typical set is 15 songs with 2 or 3 for an encore. And all other shows I been too, Van Halen, Aerosmith, Green Day, Beastie Boys, Lynyrd Skynyrd just to name a few really only played about 12 songs for a whole show and charge alot more money than PJ or DMB does.
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  • SamuleSamule Posts: 3,231
    let the band do whatever the hell they want, it's their job, they don't need people telling them how they should do their job, just like we don't like people telling us how to do our job.
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    i love what pearl jam does now and i dont think they should change a damn thing at all!
  • SamuleSamule Posts: 3,231
    GlorifiedAnimal wrote:
    i love what pearl jam does now and i dont think they should change a damn thing at all!
    AMEN!!!!
  • gleemonexgleemonex Posts: 848
    A. NIN plays shorter shows with little or no variance. Pearl Jam uses their encores to decide the remainder of the setlist.
    B. Eddie needs a smoke break.
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  • SoapMakesUTallerSoapMakesUTaller Posts: 230
    What? After 2+ hours, the guys don't deserver a bathroom break?
  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    SoapMakesUTaller wrote:
    What? After 2+ hours, the guys don't deserver a bathroom break?

    Yeah,
    i know they make fun of encores in Singles, but seriously, i think they take them because they need them.

    With Crohn's, Mike especially probably at least needs the opportunity, should nature call. Matt's arms are probably nearly ready to fall off, and Eddie prolly just wants a cigarette and a few long deep breaths.

    Have you seen the backstage with him from Picture In A Frame DVD where it is after the show?

    Could you imagine him withOUT a break at all?

    WOW!

    :D
    And Stone and Jeff probably just need time to go medidate and reconnect with their Green River\MLB mojo-funk. For real.
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  • SteveoSteveo Posts: 352
    more encores!
    Life has nothing to do with killing time.
    So why be satisfied?
  • Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Matt's arms are probably nearly ready to fall off,
    have you heard NIN's industrial-esque drumming?? talk about arms ready to fall off... its apples and oranges tho... PJ's way has been working great for years and i see no reason to change it... the band likes to gauge the crowd energy after their normal set and then make the encore setlist accordingly
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  • zenithzenith Posts: 3,191
    course they need an encore - they prob need to pee for one thing, they need a drink, they need to smile, they need to have a talk about what song to throw us - id still love them if they came out and turned cartwheels and made shadow puppets on the walls
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  • CanadianEHCanadianEH Posts: 134
    GlorifiedAnimal wrote:
    i love what pearl jam does now and i dont think they should change a damn thing at all!
    Agreed!
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  • Brain Of EBrain Of E Posts: 499
    NIN shows are a little more rehearsed and structured. PJ shows seems to almost be improvised, not that they don't rehearse the songs, it just seems that they go up there, decide the set list right before the show and see what happens. So there is a lot more room for extra stuff in a PJ show than you would get in a NIN show (which is also fuckin awesome, but different than PJ).
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  • AiCPearlJamWeenAiCPearlJamWeen Posts: 785
    always4036 wrote:
    I would rather see the band take the one or two encores just to give them a bit of a break. I have seen many concerts and only one pearl jam show and they play for a good 17-20 songs for the regular set then between 2-5 songs for the encore(s). The only other band I have seen that has play close to that many songs in a set was Dave Matthews Band Their typical set is 15 songs with 2 or 3 for an encore. And all other shows I been too, Van Halen, Aerosmith, Green Day, Beastie Boys, Lynyrd Skynyrd just to name a few really only played about 12 songs for a whole show and charge alot more money than PJ or DMB does.

    You've never been to a Ween show have you. They play about 20-25 songs before an encore break and then come back to do another 8-12 usually after. Only one encore break but such a kick ass live show. Guarenteed 3 hours at every Ween show!
  • rhinomagicrhinomagic Posts: 2,549
    Encores can be a bit of a selfish tactic, if you look at them that way.

    But I think it's an OK thing for them to catch a quick breather and decide which songs to play next.

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  • RomanzaRomanza Posts: 115
    walkunafraid wrote:
    Should PJ take a page out of NIN's book
    And begin to suck?

    LOL - sorry, I couldn't resist. To me, NIN is really, really bad.
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  • bettermanofthehourbettermanofthehour Posts: 355
    gleemonex wrote:
    A. NIN plays shorter shows with little or no variance. Pearl Jam uses their encores to decide the remainder of the setlist.
    B. Eddie needs a smoke break.

    He usually takes that during Evenflow :)
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  • ZeiffZeiff Posts: 15
    gleemonex wrote:
    B. Eddie needs a smoke break.

    Isn't that why they play Evenflow?

    Maybe I should have finished reading the posts!!!
  • BinauralBinaural Posts: 1,046
    walkunafraid wrote:
    ...and not do any encores? At least at the NIN shows that I've been to, Trent Reznor and co. refuse to go offstage for the typical "encore." They just keep on playing until their show is done.

    Seems to me in the time it takes for an encore (or encores), an extra 1-2 songs can be added to the setlist.

    Assuming, of course, that the subtraction of the encore would not reduce the length of the total show, would you be willing to give up the bands encore(s) for an extra song or two to be added to the set?

    They take 'encore breaks' to leave the stage take a piss and most importantly decide what the last few songs are gonna be based on how the crowd etc has been, being a fan of spontanaeity I'm gonna say keep the encores :)
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  • Sian-of-the-deadSian-of-the-dead Posts: 8,963
    walkunafraid wrote:
    Should Pearl Jam take a page out of NIN's book...

    No.
    Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...

    ... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
  • My3rdEyeMy3rdEye Posts: 927
    The breaks are for Stone's neck massages from all the duck walking. I thought that was common knowledge :)
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  • Sian-of-the-deadSian-of-the-dead Posts: 8,963
    My3rdEye wrote:
    The breaks are for Stone's neck massages from all the duck walking. I thought that was common knowledge :)

    Haha! :D

    I don't think PJ should change the format of their sets, at the end of the day, NIN are NIN and PJ are PJ... the world would be a very dull place if everything was the same :)
    Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...

    ... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
  • Sian-of-the-deadSian-of-the-dead Posts: 8,963
    My3rdEye wrote:
    The breaks are for Stone's neck massages from all the duck walking. I thought that was common knowledge :)

    Haha! :D

    I don't think PJ should change the format of their sets, at the end of the day, NIN are NIN and PJ are PJ... the world would be a very dull place if everything was the same :)
    Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...

    ... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
  • Drew263Drew263 Posts: 602
    Hell, at my age, I need the damn encores!

    :eek:
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