Hong Kong's new national security laws.

brianlux

Seems like an important enough subject to talk about. 

What are some of your thoughts on the implications, and regional as well as global consequences of this action? 

Here's an article that explains much of what this is all about:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52765838

Meltdown99

in in Canada we have suspended our extradition treaty with Hong Kong...China needs to be dealt by the west sooner or later...but will not happen

pjl44

I'd love to know what sort of consequences are possible. Is there anything short of war with real teeth? Because I don't think anyone has the appetite for that.

I'd love to see the US willing to accept as many Hong Kong refugees as want to come here. Between this and the Uyghur ethnic cleansing, China has become exceptionally belligerent and I have no idea how to stop it.

brianlux

pjl44 said:

I'd love to know what sort of consequences are possible. Is there anything short of war with real teeth? Because I don't think anyone has the appetite for that.

I'd love to see the US willing to accept as many Hong Kong refugees as want to come here. Between this and the Uyghur ethnic cleansing, China has become exceptionally belligerent and I have no idea how to stop it.

I'm not for war but I would be in favor of boycotting goods from China-- if that's even possible!

pjl44

brianlux said:

pjl44 said:

I'd love to know what sort of consequences are possible. Is there anything short of war with real teeth? Because I don't think anyone has the appetite for that.

I'd love to see the US willing to accept as many Hong Kong refugees as want to come here. Between this and the Uyghur ethnic cleansing, China has become exceptionally belligerent and I have no idea how to stop it.

I'm not for war but I would be in favor of boycotting goods from China-- if that's even possible!

Are we cutting off our nose by starting a trade war? I honestly don't know. 

brianlux

pjl44 said:

brianlux said:

pjl44 said:

I'd love to know what sort of consequences are possible. Is there anything short of war with real teeth? Because I don't think anyone has the appetite for that.

I'd love to see the US willing to accept as many Hong Kong refugees as want to come here. Between this and the Uyghur ethnic cleansing, China has become exceptionally belligerent and I have no idea how to stop it.

I'm not for war but I would be in favor of boycotting goods from China-- if that's even possible!

Are we cutting off our nose by starting a trade war? I honestly don't know. 

I'm good with trade to a point, but I'm really more of a "homegrown" kinda guy.

josevolution

pjl44 said:

I'd love to know what sort of consequences are possible. Is there anything short of war with real teeth? Because I don't think anyone has the appetite for that.

I'd love to see the US willing to accept as many Hong Kong refugees as want to come here. Between this and the Uyghur ethnic cleansing, China has become exceptionally belligerent and I have no idea how to stop it.

I don’t think people are just allowed to start fleeing the country they’ve clamped that down..

pjl44

josevolution said:

pjl44 said:

I'd love to know what sort of consequences are possible. Is there anything short of war with real teeth? Because I don't think anyone has the appetite for that.

I'd love to see the US willing to accept as many Hong Kong refugees as want to come here. Between this and the Uyghur ethnic cleansing, China has become exceptionally belligerent and I have no idea how to stop it.

I don’t think people are just allowed to start fleeing the country they’ve clamped that down..

If that's the case, man that is unreal

josevolution

pjl44 said:

josevolution said:

pjl44 said:

I'd love to know what sort of consequences are possible. Is there anything short of war with real teeth? Because I don't think anyone has the appetite for that.

I'd love to see the US willing to accept as many Hong Kong refugees as want to come here. Between this and the Uyghur ethnic cleansing, China has become exceptionally belligerent and I have no idea how to stop it.

I don’t think people are just allowed to start fleeing the country they’ve clamped that down..

If that's the case, man that is unreal

Yep pretty much .

josevolution

I’m sure some folks got out when they saw the writing on the walls but now once they cracked down it won’t be easy to get out! 

josevolution

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/in-hong-kong-security-law-china-asserts-legal-jurisdiction-over-the-entire-world/
Clamp down!

brianlux

josevolution said:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/in-hong-kong-security-law-china-asserts-legal-jurisdiction-over-the-entire-world/
Clamp down!

A nasty, despotic nightmare there.  Sad!

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

josevolution said:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/in-hong-kong-security-law-china-asserts-legal-jurisdiction-over-the-entire-world/
Clamp down!

A nasty, despotic nightmare there.  Sad!

Canada has suspended it extradition treaty with Hong Kong 🇭🇰...a good move.  

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

josevolution said:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/in-hong-kong-security-law-china-asserts-legal-jurisdiction-over-the-entire-world/
Clamp down!

A nasty, despotic nightmare there.  Sad!

Canada has suspended it extradition treaty with Hong Kong 🇭🇰...a good move.  

Good move! 

We often take it for granted that we can speak our minds.  Over there, say the wrong words and... zip!   

It's a bad scene. 

pjl44

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

josevolution said:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/in-hong-kong-security-law-china-asserts-legal-jurisdiction-over-the-entire-world/
Clamp down!

A nasty, despotic nightmare there.  Sad!

Canada has suspended it extradition treaty with Hong Kong 🇭🇰...a good move.  

I remember reading that. Definitely a good move. Based on my crack Google research, it seems the US does not have an extradition treaty with China. So that's good.

Meltdown99

pjl44 said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

josevolution said:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/in-hong-kong-security-law-china-asserts-legal-jurisdiction-over-the-entire-world/
Clamp down!

A nasty, despotic nightmare there.  Sad!

Canada has suspended it extradition treaty with Hong Kong 🇭🇰...a good move.  

I remember reading that. Definitely a good move. Based on my crack Google research, it seems the US does not have an extradition treaty with China. So that's good.

But do you have one with Hong Kong...that is the problem.  My understanding is that China can now use the extradition treaty that Hong Kong has signed with other countries to extradite people back to Hong Kong and then shipped to China on trumped up charges to never be heard from again...

FUCK CHINA.  Time for companies to get the fuck out of that piece of shit communist country...

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

josevolution said:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/in-hong-kong-security-law-china-asserts-legal-jurisdiction-over-the-entire-world/
Clamp down!

A nasty, despotic nightmare there.  Sad!

Canada has suspended it extradition treaty with Hong Kong 🇭🇰...a good move.  

Good move! 

We often take it for granted that we can speak our minds.  Over there, say the wrong words and... zip!   

It's a bad scene. 

I agree.  If we were under FUCKCHINA rule most of us would be locked up...

China is evil...yet companies do business with those assholes...

Zod

Meltdown99 said:

in in Canada we have suspended our extradition treaty with Hong Kong...China needs to be dealt by the west sooner or later...but will not happen

How, they outnumber us, and they're now a critical part of our supply chain.

We also sort of pulled a fast one.   People freak out that we lost all these manufacturing jobs over the past 20 years to China.  What I find remarkable is we managed to take one of the most pollution creating things we did, and scam a country on the other side of the world to do it instead.  Now they get all the pollution, and we breathe clean air.  How'd we pull that one off?

brianlux

Zod said:

Meltdown99 said:

in in Canada we have suspended our extradition treaty with Hong Kong...China needs to be dealt by the west sooner or later...but will not happen

How, they outnumber us, and they're now a critical part of our supply chain.

We also sort of pulled a fast one.   People freak out that we lost all these manufacturing jobs over the past 20 years to China.  What I find remarkable is we managed to take one of the most pollution creating things we did, and scam a country on the other side of the world to do it instead.  Now they get all the pollution, and we breathe clean air.  How'd we pull that one off?

Unless you live on the west coast, Zod.  True, the pollution is worse in China, but look what happens where us west coast folks live (and by west coast, I mean all up and down California, Oregon, Washington, British Columbia, and some inland areas like Nevada, Idaho, etc.):

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/03/518323094/rise-in-smog-in-western-u-s-is-blamed-on-asias-air-pollution

"Scientists found Asian air pollution contributed as much as 65 percent of an increase in Western ozone in recent years," NPR's Rob Schmitz reports from Shanghai. "China and India, where many consumer products are manufactured, are the worst offenders."

If you Google this:  "How much west coast pollution comes from China?: , you'll see much more information along these lines. 

We were foolish to send all our manufacturing overseas instead of learning to build clean and durable here.  We're foolish for consuming so much crap from China- mostly junk products nobody needs.  Foolish for buying cheap throwaway crap instead of durable goods.  And they are fools for wrecking their environment and their health making that shit.  It's a world of fools.

oftenreading

Activist Nathan Law arrives in Britain after fleeing Hong Kong

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hong-kong-law-britain-1.5647237

brianlux

oftenreading said:

Activist Nathan Law arrives in Britain after fleeing Hong Kong

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hong-kong-law-britain-1.5647237

I can't imagine having to leave my country, leaving behind family and friends, in order to avoid imprisonment for talking about democracy.  Democracy for crying out loud! What an awful situation over there in Hong Kong!