This can't go ON!

PJNB

rb173565 said:

there's so much i wish i could say on this topic but the real question is why this is going on at all. seriously! U.S. official figures were that from jan 1st - march 20th over 110,000 people died due to regular/seasonal flu, i.e. 1375 per day on average. did they shut down the world and destroy the world economy and peoples lives. the answer is no! i'm not saying people aren't dying, they are i'm just saying that the whole situation has been blown out of all proportion. the media have been instrumental in instilling fear into everybody, millions die every year from malnutrition, starvation or unclean water and no-one cares. hell, a million people every year commit suicide, so a bit of perspective

Your number is ways off on seasonal flu deaths on that timeframe. The highest amount of deaths from the regular flu in recent years was the late 2017-2018 flu season that killed 80,000 estimated people. This was the year that they think that the vaccine was the wrong strain and did not work effectively. Normally 12,000 - 55,000 people die a year in the US from the flu. 

I will agree with you however that some things are being blown out of proportion. I do not think that is intentional from the medical experts but they are just going off of the information that the testing is showing them. Of course the media runs with it especially the worse case scenarios. Also it will be easy to be a Monday morning quarterback on this when it is all said and done but living in it and prior to it you 100% need to be prepared for a worse case scenario. 

Mike D88

rb173565 said:

there's so much i wish i could say on this topic but the real question is why this is going on at all. seriously! U.S. official figures were that from jan 1st - march 20th over 110,000 people died due to regular/seasonal flu, i.e. 1375 per day on average. did they shut down the world and destroy the world economy and peoples lives. the answer is no! i'm not saying people aren't dying, they are i'm just saying that the whole situation has been blown out of all proportion. the media have been instrumental in instilling fear into everybody, millions die every year from malnutrition, starvation or unclean water and no-one cares. hell, a million people every year commit suicide, so a bit of perspective

This is a bad take. You only owe the reduced number of deaths with COVID-19 to the steps that have been taken through social distancing. Unfortunately, when that ends up working, we get galaxy brains like you pointing out that the projections didn't come true. Yeah, because we did something about it!

Nothing has been blown out of proportion. If you let this thing run its course, more people will need care than can be provided care. Anyone above that baseline suffers and dies. And anyone who needs care for other illnesses and trauma will not be able to get it.

PB11041

PJNB said:

rb173565 said:

there's so much i wish i could say on this topic but the real question is why this is going on at all. seriously! U.S. official figures were that from jan 1st - march 20th over 110,000 people died due to regular/seasonal flu, i.e. 1375 per day on average. did they shut down the world and destroy the world economy and peoples lives. the answer is no! i'm not saying people aren't dying, they are i'm just saying that the whole situation has been blown out of all proportion. the media have been instrumental in instilling fear into everybody, millions die every year from malnutrition, starvation or unclean water and no-one cares. hell, a million people every year commit suicide, so a bit of perspective

Your number is ways off on seasonal flu deaths on that timeframe. The highest amount of deaths from the regular flu in recent years was the late 2017-2018 flu season that killed 80,000 estimated people. This was the year that they think that the vaccine was the wrong strain and did not work effectively. Normally 12,000 - 55,000 people die a year in the US from the flu. 

I will agree with you however that some things are being blown out of proportion. I do not think that is intentional from the medical experts but they are just going off of the information that the testing is showing them. Of course the media runs with it especially the worse case scenarios. Also it will be easy to be a Monday morning quarterback on this when it is all said and done but living in it and prior to it you 100% need to be prepared for a worse case scenario. 

I believe that US official figure (which is really a projected estimate) is worldwide, just from a US source of data.

That all being said, right now to avoid a really crazy thing in which say several million people died of a novel disease, a shut down, while incredibly unsettling was necessary to get some grounding.  Unlike 1918-19 where it was not really logistically practical to do anything, now we can and by and large have.   For the near term this was the thing to do.  The next near term there will have to be tactical distancing and lockdown done where people in specific age brackets and those with specific health issues will have likely have to maintain in distancing where as large portions of the population will not.  

Whether or not there are going to be rock concerts is kind of irrelevant, but you are not going to have social distancing for 2 years.  

tempo_n_groove

josevolution said:

I’m ok with not attending any major events again even if it means I have seen my last concerts, I’m ok with just listening to music by myself I’ll have to really really think hard about attending the rescheduled shows...

Masks and defogging areas going in and out of the concert!

RS65573

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

I’m ok with not attending any major events again even if it means I have seen my last concerts, I’m ok with just listening to music by myself I’ll have to really really think hard about attending the rescheduled shows...

Masks and defogging areas going in and out of the concert!

Not wrong, but I am so out in that situation. 

Spartanacus

I guess they could decide to go straight 'Survival of the Fittest' and move forward with an approach to let the weak, old, and sick die...but it would be a surprise.  

As bad as that sounds, that is how nature was intended to work, and that is how it works best.  And because humans think we're so damn special, eventually we are going to destroy this planet to the point where nobody will survive unless we colonize Mars.  So yes, at least a modified version of 'survival of the fittest' plan needs to go on.  This virus is not indiscriminately killing everyone it touches.  The overwhelming majority are the old, sick, and unfortunately the compromised (with a very small % of seemingly healthy young people).  If this continues into the Summer, Fall, etc. we'll all be in a world of hurt...not just the old and sick.  Yes, sporting events and finally live concerts will be the last thing to come back, but I hope they do sooner (NJ & OHANA) rather than later.  #buyerbeware #attendatyourownrisk #prochoice

pjhawks

PB11041 said:

PJNB said:

rb173565 said:

there's so much i wish i could say on this topic but the real question is why this is going on at all. seriously! U.S. official figures were that from jan 1st - march 20th over 110,000 people died due to regular/seasonal flu, i.e. 1375 per day on average. did they shut down the world and destroy the world economy and peoples lives. the answer is no! i'm not saying people aren't dying, they are i'm just saying that the whole situation has been blown out of all proportion. the media have been instrumental in instilling fear into everybody, millions die every year from malnutrition, starvation or unclean water and no-one cares. hell, a million people every year commit suicide, so a bit of perspective

Your number is ways off on seasonal flu deaths on that timeframe. The highest amount of deaths from the regular flu in recent years was the late 2017-2018 flu season that killed 80,000 estimated people. This was the year that they think that the vaccine was the wrong strain and did not work effectively. Normally 12,000 - 55,000 people die a year in the US from the flu. 

I will agree with you however that some things are being blown out of proportion. I do not think that is intentional from the medical experts but they are just going off of the information that the testing is showing them. Of course the media runs with it especially the worse case scenarios. Also it will be easy to be a Monday morning quarterback on this when it is all said and done but living in it and prior to it you 100% need to be prepared for a worse case scenario. 

I believe that US official figure (which is really a projected estimate) is worldwide, just from a US source of data.

That all being said, right now to avoid a really crazy thing in which say several million people died of a novel disease, a shut down, while incredibly unsettling was necessary to get some grounding.  Unlike 1918-19 where it was not really logistically practical to do anything, now we can and by and large have.   For the near term this was the thing to do.  The next near term there will have to be tactical distancing and lockdown done where people in specific age brackets and those with specific health issues will have likely have to maintain in distancing where as large portions of the population will not.  

Weather or not there are going to be rock concerts is kind of irrelevant, but you are not going to have social distancing for 2 years.  

agree. there is a happy medium between no events until 2022 and this is has been overblown (which people saying this really have no clue).  we will start to come back in some form in the next month or two but with restrictions. maybe 12-18 months before we go back to what was normal before this but we will not continue social distancing at this level for more than a few months.  it's just not practical.  one of the biggest reasons for social distancing was to not overrun our hospitals with too many cases.  as we have done social distancing we are also increasing capacity at our hospitals.  it's not like we are doing nothing during this social distancing to help us deal with it in the future.  we will be better prepared at our hospitals for the next wave.  i am pretty confident there will be football with fans in the fall and shows next year.  

Spartanacus

PB11041 said:

PJNB said:

rb173565 said:

there's so much i wish i could say on this topic but the real question is why this is going on at all. seriously! U.S. official figures were that from jan 1st - march 20th over 110,000 people died due to regular/seasonal flu, i.e. 1375 per day on average. did they shut down the world and destroy the world economy and peoples lives. the answer is no! i'm not saying people aren't dying, they are i'm just saying that the whole situation has been blown out of all proportion. the media have been instrumental in instilling fear into everybody, millions die every year from malnutrition, starvation or unclean water and no-one cares. hell, a million people every year commit suicide, so a bit of perspective

Your number is ways off on seasonal flu deaths on that timeframe. The highest amount of deaths from the regular flu in recent years was the late 2017-2018 flu season that killed 80,000 estimated people. This was the year that they think that the vaccine was the wrong strain and did not work effectively. Normally 12,000 - 55,000 people die a year in the US from the flu. 

I will agree with you however that some things are being blown out of proportion. I do not think that is intentional from the medical experts but they are just going off of the information that the testing is showing them. Of course the media runs with it especially the worse case scenarios. Also it will be easy to be a Monday morning quarterback on this when it is all said and done but living in it and prior to it you 100% need to be prepared for a worse case scenario. 

I believe that US official figure (which is really a projected estimate) is worldwide, just from a US source of data.

That all being said, right now to avoid a really crazy thing in which say several million people died of a novel disease, a shut down, while incredibly unsettling was necessary to get some grounding.  Unlike 1918-19 where it was not really logistically practical to do anything, now we can and by and large have.   For the near term this was the thing to do.  The next near term there will have to be tactical distancing and lockdown done where people in specific age brackets and those with specific health issues will have likely have to maintain in distancing where as large portions of the population will not.  

Weather or not there are going to be rock concerts is kind of irrelevant, but you are not going to have social distancing for 2 years.  

Here are the real numbers:  the recent high death mark for the seasonal flu a couple years ago estimated that as many as 650,000 people died worldwide and 61,000 in the US.  The low mark every year is estimated at about 290,000 worldwide and 12,000 in the US. 

We are going to have to take our foot off the brakes after a few months (August seems right to me), let people do their thing again, and see how it goes.  It would suck to have 100K US deaths a year from COVID-19 (even with a vaccine), but that may be a new part of reality. 

We are not going to cancel large gatherings forever, unless this consistently takes out millions of Americans a year.  I really think that the 2.2M US deaths figure they through out there was far fetched.  I am not afraid of the flu (though I've felt near death before from it), nor am I afraid of this...of course I'd prefer to always remain healthy, but not if I have to give up sports and concerts forever.  

eddiec

rb173565 said:

there's so much i wish i could say on this topic but the real question is why this is going on at all. seriously! U.S. official figures were that from jan 1st - march 20th over 110,000 people died due to regular/seasonal flu, i.e. 1375 per day on average. did they shut down the world and destroy the world economy and peoples lives. the answer is no! i'm not saying people aren't dying, they are i'm just saying that the whole situation has been blown out of all proportion. the media have been instrumental in instilling fear into everybody, millions die every year from malnutrition, starvation or unclean water and no-one cares. hell, a million people every year commit suicide, so a bit of perspective

A lot of people care. 

vaggar99

It might as be 2032, all infectious diseases eradicated, and Pearl Jam will still have chosen to bypass Houston TX 

cincybearcat

josevolution said:

I’m ok with not attending any major events again even if it means I have seen my last concerts, I’m ok with just listening to music by myself I’ll have to really really think hard about attending the rescheduled shows...

I am not ok with this

I'll be attending the shows when rescehduled.

Zod

Spartanacus said:

I guess they could decide to go straight 'Survival of the Fittest' and move forward with an approach to let the weak, old, and sick die...but it would be a surprise.  

As bad as that sounds, that is how nature was intended to work, and that is how it works best.  And because humans think we're so damn special, eventually we are going to destroy this planet to the point where nobody will survive unless we colonize Mars.  So yes, at least a modified version of 'survival of the fittest' plan needs to go on.  This virus is not indiscriminately killing everyone it touches.  The overwhelming majority are the old, sick, and unfortunately the compromised (with a very small % of seemingly healthy young people).  If this continues into the Summer, Fall, etc. we'll all be in a world of hurt...not just the old and sick.  Yes, sporting events and finally live concerts will be the last thing to come back, but I hope they do sooner (NJ & OHANA) rather than later.  #buyerbeware #attendatyourownrisk #prochoice

I tend to agree.   I don't think people will put up with social distancing and a cripple economy for a prolonged period of time.   Eventually we would see civil unrest.   I don't think our governments can afford to pay us to stay home for a year or two.   I don't think people can handle staying socially distance for that period of time.   Something will give.  If they can't figure it out.. maybe the course does change and we let the thing rip because we decided it's better than the alternative.

Vedd Hedd

rb173565 said:

there's so much i wish i could say on this topic but the real question is why this is going on at all. seriously! U.S. official figures were that from jan 1st - march 20th over 110,000 people died due to regular/seasonal flu, i.e. 1375 per day on average. did they shut down the world and destroy the world economy and peoples lives. the answer is no! i'm not saying people aren't dying, they are i'm just saying that the whole situation has been blown out of all proportion. the media have been instrumental in instilling fear into everybody, millions die every year from malnutrition, starvation or unclean water and no-one cares. hell, a million people every year commit suicide, so a bit of perspective

Seasonal flu does not overwhelm the hospital system. 
Starving people don't overwhelm the hospital system. 
Car accidents, suicides, unclean water does not overwhelm the hospital system.  

There is nothing being blown out of proportion.  "The media" is not instilling fear...they are reporting on what is happening, which is terrifying. Sometimes the news is bad.  

This news is real bad.  And flu deaths dont cause front line health workers to die.  And people are dying alone, away from their families, intubated.  And in turn, getting health care workers sick.   

My nurse friend, who is married with 2 children, is fighting on the front lines of this thing, and she has had to rent an apartment away from her family for the past month.  No hugs, no kisses.  No seeing her children.  FLU DOES NOT DO THIS. 

Drdeal

I recall hearing at their last concert (Fenway 2) that Jeff said they would not play live for long time. How right he was.....

ComeToTX

Vedd Hedd said:

rb173565 said:

there's so much i wish i could say on this topic but the real question is why this is going on at all. seriously! U.S. official figures were that from jan 1st - march 20th over 110,000 people died due to regular/seasonal flu, i.e. 1375 per day on average. did they shut down the world and destroy the world economy and peoples lives. the answer is no! i'm not saying people aren't dying, they are i'm just saying that the whole situation has been blown out of all proportion. the media have been instrumental in instilling fear into everybody, millions die every year from malnutrition, starvation or unclean water and no-one cares. hell, a million people every year commit suicide, so a bit of perspective

Seasonal flu does not overwhelm the hospital system. 
Starving people don't overwhelm the hospital system. 
Car accidents, suicides, unclean water does not overwhelm the hospital system.  

There is nothing being blown out of proportion.  "The media" is not instilling fear...they are reporting on what is happening, which is terrifying. Sometimes the news is bad.  

This news is real bad.  And flu deaths dont cause front line health workers to die.  And people are dying alone, away from their families, intubated.  And in turn, getting health care workers sick.   

My nurse friend, who is married with 2 children, is fighting on the front lines of this thing, and she has had to rent an apartment away from her family for the past month.  No hugs, no kisses.  No seeing her children.  FLU DOES NOT DO THIS. 

This.  I've lost 2 people I know to this.  Both in their early 40's, both healthy.  They died alone in hospital rooms and will be buried without a proper funeral.  

Over 100 doctors in Italy have died so far.  I could go on but what's the point?

RS65573

My best friend just lost his dad, got a call and then never got to see him. I'm told there will be no service. This is unfathomable prior to now.

Bentleyspop

Vedd Hedd said:

rb173565 said:

there's so much i wish i could say on this topic but the real question is why this is going on at all. seriously! U.S. official figures were that from jan 1st - march 20th over 110,000 people died due to regular/seasonal flu, i.e. 1375 per day on average. did they shut down the world and destroy the world economy and peoples lives. the answer is no! i'm not saying people aren't dying, they are i'm just saying that the whole situation has been blown out of all proportion. the media have been instrumental in instilling fear into everybody, millions die every year from malnutrition, starvation or unclean water and no-one cares. hell, a million people every year commit suicide, so a bit of perspective

Seasonal flu does not overwhelm the hospital system. 
Starving people don't overwhelm the hospital system. 
Car accidents, suicides, unclean water does not overwhelm the hospital system.  

There is nothing being blown out of proportion.  "The media" is not instilling fear...they are reporting on what is happening, which is terrifying. Sometimes the news is bad.  

This news is real bad.  And flu deaths dont cause front line health workers to die.  And people are dying alone, away from their families, intubated.  And in turn, getting health care workers sick.   

My nurse friend, who is married with 2 children, is fighting on the front lines of this thing, and she has had to rent an apartment away from her family for the past month.  No hugs, no kisses.  No seeing her children.  FLU DOES NOT DO THIS. 

On focksnooze it does

SHZA

Vedd Hedd said:

rb173565 said:

there's so much i wish i could say on this topic but the real question is why this is going on at all. seriously! U.S. official figures were that from jan 1st - march 20th over 110,000 people died due to regular/seasonal flu, i.e. 1375 per day on average. did they shut down the world and destroy the world economy and peoples lives. the answer is no! i'm not saying people aren't dying, they are i'm just saying that the whole situation has been blown out of all proportion. the media have been instrumental in instilling fear into everybody, millions die every year from malnutrition, starvation or unclean water and no-one cares. hell, a million people every year commit suicide, so a bit of perspective

Seasonal flu does not overwhelm the hospital system. 
Starving people don't overwhelm the hospital system. 
Car accidents, suicides, unclean water does
not overwhelm the hospital system.  

There is nothing being blown out of proportion.  "The media" is not instilling fear...they are reporting on what is happening, which is terrifying. Sometimes the news is bad.  

This news is real bad.  And flu deaths dont cause front line health workers to die.  And people are dying alone, away from their families, intubated.  And in turn, getting health care workers sick.   

My nurse friend, who is married with 2 children, is fighting on the front lines of this thing, and she has had to rent an apartment away from her family for the past month.  No hugs, no kisses.  No seeing her children.  FLU DOES NOT DO THIS. 

Well said. And without social distancing, it would be exponentially worse. 

Vedd Hedd

https://news.yahoo.com/immunity-covid-19-antibodies-not-190537893.html

So, only read this if you want nightmares. 

JH59748

I am upset as everyone else on missing out on shows but we have real world problems.So if we can’t go to see a live concert or sporting event until 2021 or later we have to deal with it. This isn’t the flu and normal won’t be normal for a long time unless we want to sacrifice a lot of humans for our vices.This isn’t going to end with a miracle cure science doesn’t lie.So let’s suck it up enjoy what we have seen and hope to see in the future without the bitching.