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DempsDemps Posts: 102
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...I dunno man. The ticket system for the past few tours just doesn't seem like it works, for whatever reason. It just sucks to continuously get shut out and have to scramble for tickets via other outlets. 

I'm 3 for 17 including the two shows I got shut out on this time around, tho I guess you could say 3 for 15 if we count the shows I got tix to but entered at 2 different levels as one chance. 

Still, that's a batting average of .200 at best which is kind of a bummer all things considered. Am I feeling sorry for myself here, or is my won/loss record on these ticket lotteries really as bad as it looks to me? 


I suggest you step out on your porch...run away my son...see it all...oh see the world // I wait on the porch...hoping someday I'll be let in

Springfield, MA 4/6/94 -- Boston, MA 4/11/94 -- Hartford, CT 10/2/96 -- Hartford, CT 9/13/98 -- Mansfield, MA 7/2/03 -- Reading, PA 10/1/04 -- Albany, NY 5/12/06 -- Milwaukee, WI 6/29/06 -- Mansfield, MA 6/30/08 -- Toronto, ON 9/21/09 -- Philadelphia, PA 10/31/09 -- Worcester, MA 10/16/13 -- Hartford, CT 10/25/13 -- New York, NY 9/26/15 -- New York, NY 5/2/16 -- Boston, MA 8/5/16 -- Boston, MA 8/7/16 -- Boston, MA 9/2/18 -- Boston, MA 9/4/18 -- London, UK 7/8/22 -- Hamilton, ON 9/6/22 -- Toronto, ON 9/8/22 -- New York, NY 9/11/22 -- Chicago, IL 9/5/23 -- Chicago, IL 9/7/23 -- New York, NY 9/3/24 -- Philadelphia, PA 9/7/24 -- Philadelphia, PA 9/9/24

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  • JR86440JR86440 Posts: 750
    yea but the odds aren't as bad as you say. The reason I am saying that is it is pointless to even put in for Boston or NY as a 2nd option, never mind 4,5 or 6. Putting in for GA really hurt your chances too with the old system..
  • DempsDemps Posts: 102
    That's fair. It's the double edged sword of living where they always come to play. There are a lot of shows but they are really hard to get into (via lottery anyway). 
    I suggest you step out on your porch...run away my son...see it all...oh see the world // I wait on the porch...hoping someday I'll be let in

    Springfield, MA 4/6/94 -- Boston, MA 4/11/94 -- Hartford, CT 10/2/96 -- Hartford, CT 9/13/98 -- Mansfield, MA 7/2/03 -- Reading, PA 10/1/04 -- Albany, NY 5/12/06 -- Milwaukee, WI 6/29/06 -- Mansfield, MA 6/30/08 -- Toronto, ON 9/21/09 -- Philadelphia, PA 10/31/09 -- Worcester, MA 10/16/13 -- Hartford, CT 10/25/13 -- New York, NY 9/26/15 -- New York, NY 5/2/16 -- Boston, MA 8/5/16 -- Boston, MA 8/7/16 -- Boston, MA 9/2/18 -- Boston, MA 9/4/18 -- London, UK 7/8/22 -- Hamilton, ON 9/6/22 -- Toronto, ON 9/8/22 -- New York, NY 9/11/22 -- Chicago, IL 9/5/23 -- Chicago, IL 9/7/23 -- New York, NY 9/3/24 -- Philadelphia, PA 9/7/24 -- Philadelphia, PA 9/9/24
  • AlaGAlaG Brookline, MA Posts: 976
    It's because you prioritized GA over reserved seating. Hard to win consistently when you're going for such a small pool of tix with < 30% odds. And I doubt any of the NYC shows you selected gave out reserved tix to anyone who listed them as a 2nd priority.

    Most folks gunning for GA under the old system were doing so knowing full well that they would probably lose and have to subsequently scramble or were doing it on secondary accounts in their spouse's name hoping to get lucky.
  • tschavtschav Posts: 2,881
    Had similar luck, but always sought Wrigley/MSG and the ToTD shows so my chances were already slim - especially if prioritizing GA.

    Regardless, had very good luck buying/selling extras and getting into the door for most shows. 
  • ZodZod Posts: 10,755
    edited January 2020
    Yah, you've got a mix of some bad luck, but also losing on GA/ToTD situations where the # of available tickets is insanely low.

    I suppose it's something good about the new system.  You no longer have to make reserved your #2 choice.   Should make it slightly more successful to get tickets to a #1 priority show (if your the kind of person who goes all in on GA).

    I've done pretty good.  2013 - Won Vancouver / Lost Seattle (should of made Seattle #1 priority, Vancouver wasn't close to selling out 10c tickets).  2016 - GA at both Wrigley Shows and Pemberton was all GA (no 10c tickets).   2018 - GA for both Seattle shows.

    I suppose the advantage is after getting bad tickets to seattle 2013, my wife joined the fan club.  Thus if we ever go to 2 shows in the same city, we both put in for opposite shows.   We've lucked out and pulled off GA for both when we've done that.    I tried to do that with a friend for the upcoming oakland shows.  He won night 2, I lost night 1 (I should of chosen best available).

    I suppose that's what works for me.  I live equal distance from Vancouver / Seattle.  Seattle is tough for tickets, Vancouver is pretty easy (assuming there's a seattle show right after).   I get a bit of an advantage of having access to the smaller Vancouver market.    Plus the stadium shows had big pits in 2018, so I think a lot of people won Seattle on those picks.  No were back to arena sized pits.
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  • tdawetdawe Posts: 2,091
    I see 5 lotteries and 3 wins. For northeast shows you simply cannot reasonably expect to get anything lower than your first priority, the exception being the stadium shows where I'd say you got very lucky to get your second choice. 
    Camden 2 2006, Newark 2010, Barclays 2 2013, Central Park 2015, MSG 2 2016, Wrigley 1 2016, Rome 2018, Prague 2018, Asbury Park 2021, EV & Earthlings NYC 1 2022, MSG 2022, Louisville 2022, Dublin 2024, MSG 1 2024, MSG 2 2024
  • DempsDemps Posts: 102
    Zod said:
    Yah, you've got a mix of some bad luck, but also losing on GA/ToTD situations where the # of available tickets is insanely low.

    I suppose it's something good about the new system.  You no longer have to make reserved your #2 choice.   Should make it slightly more successful to get tickets to a #1 priority show (if your the kind of person who goes all in on GA).

    I've done pretty good.  2013 - Won Vancouver / Lost Seattle (should of made Seattle #1 priority, Vancouver wasn't close to selling out 10c tickets).  2016 - GA at both Wrigley Shows and Pemberton was all GA (no 10c tickets).   2018 - GA for both Seattle shows.

    I suppose the advantage is after getting bad tickets to seattle 2013, my wife joined the fan club.  Thus if we ever go to 2 shows in the same city, we both put in for opposite shows.   We've lucked out and pulled off GA for both when we've done that.    I tried to do that with a friend for the upcoming oakland shows.  He won night 2, I lost night 1 (I should of chosen best available).

    I suppose that's what works for me.  I live equal distance from Vancouver / Seattle.  Seattle is tough for tickets, Vancouver is pretty easy (assuming there's a seattle show right after).   I get a bit of an advantage of having access to the smaller Vancouver market.    Plus the stadium shows had big pits in 2018, so I think a lot of people won Seattle on those picks.  No were back to arena sized pits.
    Yeah, the Best Available option is key, though I suppose it made me re-jigger my expectations unreasonably. 
    I suggest you step out on your porch...run away my son...see it all...oh see the world // I wait on the porch...hoping someday I'll be let in

    Springfield, MA 4/6/94 -- Boston, MA 4/11/94 -- Hartford, CT 10/2/96 -- Hartford, CT 9/13/98 -- Mansfield, MA 7/2/03 -- Reading, PA 10/1/04 -- Albany, NY 5/12/06 -- Milwaukee, WI 6/29/06 -- Mansfield, MA 6/30/08 -- Toronto, ON 9/21/09 -- Philadelphia, PA 10/31/09 -- Worcester, MA 10/16/13 -- Hartford, CT 10/25/13 -- New York, NY 9/26/15 -- New York, NY 5/2/16 -- Boston, MA 8/5/16 -- Boston, MA 8/7/16 -- Boston, MA 9/2/18 -- Boston, MA 9/4/18 -- London, UK 7/8/22 -- Hamilton, ON 9/6/22 -- Toronto, ON 9/8/22 -- New York, NY 9/11/22 -- Chicago, IL 9/5/23 -- Chicago, IL 9/7/23 -- New York, NY 9/3/24 -- Philadelphia, PA 9/7/24 -- Philadelphia, PA 9/9/24
  • mjd327mjd327 Posts: 160
    Dude you got GA seats you’re very lucky. How are you seriously counting this way? Going third priority for GA seats you obviously will lose. You got tickets in three lotteries out of five so you’re at 60%. You can’t seriously expect to win all when you list so many. 
  • Saltzy23Saltzy23 Posts: 1,350
    edited January 2020
    If you have won  a single 10C lotto for MSG the last decade your membership has paid for itself.

    The end.

    Who wants some pizza?
    'I know I was born and I know that I'll die, the in between is mine.'
  • AmishGuy91AmishGuy91 Posts: 834
    Branch outside of the northeast bubble and you'll have much greater success
  • Leezestarr313Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,374
    I have seen 25 shows since 1996, and my stats with the lottery look about similar. I understand that people are frustrated, but the membership is 20 bucks a year, gives you a better shot at certain things and tickets, and if you can't get tickets through 10C, you will get them elsewhere. I have never not gotten into a show I wanted to go to. PJ fans are also a really nice bunch for the most part, and it helps to be a part of the community and be nice to others. If you feel like they don't deliver on what you pay for, maybe don't pay the 20 bucks. This is not supposed to sound nasty, but it is what it is. Try to make the best of it :)
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  • primussucksprimussucks Posts: 2,364
    mjd327 said:
    Dude you got GA seats you’re very lucky. How are you seriously counting this way? Going third priority for GA seats you obviously will lose. You got tickets in three lotteries out of five so you’re at 60%. You can’t seriously expect to win all when you list so many. 
    Exactly!  Based on this list and how he set priorities he basically went 3 for 5!  That's pretty damn good and shouldn't be complaining!  First world problems...
    Summerfest 7/8/95
    Missoula 6/20/98
    Alpine Valley 6/26/98 & 6/27/98
    Alpine Valley 10/8/00 
    Champaign 4/23/03
    Alpine Valley 6/21/03
    Missoula 8/29/05
    Chicago 5/16 & 17/06
    Grand Rapids 5/19/06
    Summerfest 6/29/06 & 6/30/06
    Tampa 6/12/08
    Chicago 8/23/09
    Indy 5/7/10
    Alpine Valley x2 2011
    Wrigley 2013
    Milwaukee 14
    Telluride 16
  • IlliniGuy76IlliniGuy76 Posts: 646
    I've been incredibly lucky in PJ 10C lotteries in scoring seats.  Know why?  I choose SEATS as my number one option - perhaps you should as well if you just want to get in the door......
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can forgive yourself oh yeah...
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense...

    1995:  7/11 (Chicago) 2009: 8/23, 8/24 (Chicago) 2010:  5/9 (Cleveland) 2013 7/19 (Chicago) 2016: 4/9 (Miami), 5/1 (NYC), 8/20 & 8/22 (Chicago)
    2018: 8/18 (Chicago) & 8/20 (Chicago) 2022:  9/11 (NYC), 9/18 (STL) 2023:  9/5 (Chicago), 9/7 (Chicago) 2024:  8/29 (Chicago), 8/31 (Chicago)

  • DempsDemps Posts: 102
    AmishGuy91 said:
    Branch outside of the northeast bubble and you'll have much greater success
    I get that it's a tough market, but traveling for shows isn't always an option. I've gotten tickets for Milwaukee, Albany and Toronto in the past, so I take your point. Just not always feasible. And I get that I'm lucky to live in a place where they play on a pretty consistent basis. 
    I suggest you step out on your porch...run away my son...see it all...oh see the world // I wait on the porch...hoping someday I'll be let in

    Springfield, MA 4/6/94 -- Boston, MA 4/11/94 -- Hartford, CT 10/2/96 -- Hartford, CT 9/13/98 -- Mansfield, MA 7/2/03 -- Reading, PA 10/1/04 -- Albany, NY 5/12/06 -- Milwaukee, WI 6/29/06 -- Mansfield, MA 6/30/08 -- Toronto, ON 9/21/09 -- Philadelphia, PA 10/31/09 -- Worcester, MA 10/16/13 -- Hartford, CT 10/25/13 -- New York, NY 9/26/15 -- New York, NY 5/2/16 -- Boston, MA 8/5/16 -- Boston, MA 8/7/16 -- Boston, MA 9/2/18 -- Boston, MA 9/4/18 -- London, UK 7/8/22 -- Hamilton, ON 9/6/22 -- Toronto, ON 9/8/22 -- New York, NY 9/11/22 -- Chicago, IL 9/5/23 -- Chicago, IL 9/7/23 -- New York, NY 9/3/24 -- Philadelphia, PA 9/7/24 -- Philadelphia, PA 9/9/24
  • DempsDemps Posts: 102
    mjd327 said:
    Dude you got GA seats you’re very lucky. How are you seriously counting this way? Going third priority for GA seats you obviously will lose. You got tickets in three lotteries out of five so you’re at 60%. You can’t seriously expect to win all when you list so many. 
    Yeah, I'm probably looking at it wrong. I can own that. It just seems like since the current process started it's been a lot more difficult to secure tickets through the 10C. But if it's working for the majority then it's a good system, even if it seems to be less efficient than it was for me personally in the past. I can see that my .200 math is not quite the right metric to use but I'm not sure 60% is correct either. Either way, it was bugging me and people have been helpful at putting things into perspective, so thanks.
    I suggest you step out on your porch...run away my son...see it all...oh see the world // I wait on the porch...hoping someday I'll be let in

    Springfield, MA 4/6/94 -- Boston, MA 4/11/94 -- Hartford, CT 10/2/96 -- Hartford, CT 9/13/98 -- Mansfield, MA 7/2/03 -- Reading, PA 10/1/04 -- Albany, NY 5/12/06 -- Milwaukee, WI 6/29/06 -- Mansfield, MA 6/30/08 -- Toronto, ON 9/21/09 -- Philadelphia, PA 10/31/09 -- Worcester, MA 10/16/13 -- Hartford, CT 10/25/13 -- New York, NY 9/26/15 -- New York, NY 5/2/16 -- Boston, MA 8/5/16 -- Boston, MA 8/7/16 -- Boston, MA 9/2/18 -- Boston, MA 9/4/18 -- London, UK 7/8/22 -- Hamilton, ON 9/6/22 -- Toronto, ON 9/8/22 -- New York, NY 9/11/22 -- Chicago, IL 9/5/23 -- Chicago, IL 9/7/23 -- New York, NY 9/3/24 -- Philadelphia, PA 9/7/24 -- Philadelphia, PA 9/9/24
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,094
    You are only going for tickets in the northeast.  It will be a low success rate.  The 10C can’t work miracles.  Supply and demand.  
  • luismota123luismota123 Posts: 161
    I think I got a simple solution, stop putting in for shows...lol...all of your anguish Gone!

  • Travels WithTravels With Posts: 609
    I lost all these shows in 2013.  
    “I suppose our capacity for self-delusion is boundless.” ― John Steinbeck, Travels with Charley: In Search of America
  • BennyLaRueBennyLaRue Posts: 751
    I saw Uranus
  • SaravaSarava Naperville, IL Posts: 2,043
    edited January 2020
    There looks like a common theme among your picks. And that is that you don't seem to understand that selecting GA after your top priority is a wasted pick in USA shows. I'm not saying it's your fault...more that it appears that you don't understand how the draws are done.

    For instance, in the first leg of 2013 tour - you threw your picks 2, 3 & 4 in the garbage and never had a chance to get something after Hartford reserved. (FWIW I did something similar in the 2014 tour, but learned from my mistake)
    Post edited by Sarava on
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,548
    I take the shows with a grain of salt these days , I live in NY I’ve never won an MSG lottery so I stopped going those shows! Up till 2006 I was lucky with tickets in 03 I got 1st row both nights @ MSG those tickets we had to go into Manhattan and pick up the day before the show if I remember correctly and we were able to look at seating chart right there and sure enough I had 1st row both nights , so these days I see if I can drive to shows near me and I’ll shoot for those tickets. This time I wanted Baltimore way more than MSG I made that show my #1 priority and I scored I put MSG 2nd really just to see if I could get lucky but no biggie I lost ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • mpedonempedone 540xxx - Manchester, NH Posts: 1,961
    AmishGuy91 said:
    Branch outside of the northeast bubble and you'll have much greater success

    After years of dealing with the craziness of getting tickets to show in and around Boston, getting tickets to Tampa (not through 10C) in 2016 was a breeze. It was also an eye opener to see the crowd file in gradually. (Didn't work so well with St Louis this year, though.)
    "I'm a lucky man, to count on both hands the [shows I've done]. Some folks just have one, others they got none..."

    Hartford 10.02.96 | Mansfield 2 09.16.98 | Mansfield 1 08.29.00 | Mansfield 1 07.02.03 | Mansfield 3 07.11.03 | Boston 2 05.25.06 | Tampa 04.11.16 | Fenway 1 08.05.16 | Fenway 2 08.07.16 | Fenway 1 09.02.18 | Fenway 2 09.04.18 | Baltimore 03.28.20 | Hamilton 09.06.22 | Toronto 09.08.22 | Nashville 09.16.22 | St Louis 09.18.22 | Baltimore 09.12.24 | Fenway 1 09.15.24 | Fenway 2 09.17.24

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    He goes to hell, of course. We're going to heaven."
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    BennyLaRue said:
    I saw Uranus
    Benny, your commentaries through these many MANY threads is appreciated ;)
  • BennyLaRueBennyLaRue Posts: 751
    hedonist said:
    BennyLaRue said:
    I saw Uranus
    Benny, your commentaries through these many MANY threads is appreciated ;)
    Thanks, but I'm still not getting in that van with you.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    BennyLaRue said:
    hedonist said:
    BennyLaRue said:
    I saw Uranus
    Benny, your commentaries through these many MANY threads is appreciated ;)
    Thanks, but I'm still not getting in that van with you.
    I guess the "free candy" sign in the window didn't help.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,913
    Travels With said:
    I lost all these shows in 2013.  



    Were you able to get in to the Grand Canyon show? 
  • DempsDemps Posts: 102
    Sarava said:
    There looks like a common theme among your picks. And that is that you don't seem to understand that selecting GA after your top priority is a wasted pick in USA shows. I'm not saying it's your fault...more that it appears that you don't understand how the draws are done.

    For instance, in the first leg of 2013 tour - you threw your picks 2, 3 & 4 in the garbage and never had a chance to get something after Hartford reserved. (FWIW I did something similar in the 2014 tour, but learned from my mistake)
    Agreed. The more I read the more I figure I’ve been doing it wrong. Thanks.
    I suggest you step out on your porch...run away my son...see it all...oh see the world // I wait on the porch...hoping someday I'll be let in

    Springfield, MA 4/6/94 -- Boston, MA 4/11/94 -- Hartford, CT 10/2/96 -- Hartford, CT 9/13/98 -- Mansfield, MA 7/2/03 -- Reading, PA 10/1/04 -- Albany, NY 5/12/06 -- Milwaukee, WI 6/29/06 -- Mansfield, MA 6/30/08 -- Toronto, ON 9/21/09 -- Philadelphia, PA 10/31/09 -- Worcester, MA 10/16/13 -- Hartford, CT 10/25/13 -- New York, NY 9/26/15 -- New York, NY 5/2/16 -- Boston, MA 8/5/16 -- Boston, MA 8/7/16 -- Boston, MA 9/2/18 -- Boston, MA 9/4/18 -- London, UK 7/8/22 -- Hamilton, ON 9/6/22 -- Toronto, ON 9/8/22 -- New York, NY 9/11/22 -- Chicago, IL 9/5/23 -- Chicago, IL 9/7/23 -- New York, NY 9/3/24 -- Philadelphia, PA 9/7/24 -- Philadelphia, PA 9/9/24
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