2024/2025 NBA Season October 22nd Opening Tip off! Pg 112

Poncier

tempo_n_groove said:

Can we say that the process didn't work now?

Really its the post process.
The process got them Embiid and Simmons, then they tried to go all in for an instant title shot rather than building to it for a couple more years and those moves have largely been wrong.
The move to trade up to 1 for Fultz was the first backfire (and if Ainge is to be believed Fultz would have been there at 3 as he claims Tatum was his guy all along, and Lakers were clearly going to take Ball). Then they made the 2 trades last season, pushing all their chips in and letting go some good young assets and picks. And they gave up on Fultz (who will never live up to the #1 overall pick, but is contributing now in Orlando) and got compete crap in return. They were close last year, but had traded for a bunch of free agents and had a few of their own (most notably JJ) to deal with. So suddenly they have a lot of guys to try and re-sign and cap space is becoming tighter as Embiid and Simmons get towards the end of their rookie deals. They should have stuck with Butler and let Harris go as we've seen Butler is a guy who rises to the occasion in big moments. Harris is a good piece, but really a 3rd or 4th option guy on a contender and he gets a max deal. Clippers offer before the trade of 20mil a season was more in line with his worth. Then they let Reddick go and doubled down on the going big by signing Horford to a ridiculously bloated 4 year deal (and I thank them as it got him to opt out of his final year in Boston and gave the Celts the cap space to singe Kemba). So now they have far less outside shooting in a league that's all about spacing and 3 balls.
So really the failed moves have all been after what was known as "The process".

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Can we say that the process didn't work now?

Really its the post process.
The process got them Embiid and Simmons, then they tried to go all in for an instant title shot rather than building to it for a couple more years and those moves have largely been wrong.
The move to trade up to 1 for Fultz was the first backfire (and if Ainge is to be believed Fultz would have been there at 3 as he claims Tatum was his guy all along, and Lakers were clearly going to take Ball). Then they made the 2 trades last season, pushing all their chips in and letting go some good young assets and picks. And they gave up on Fultz (who will never live up to the #1 overall pick, but is contributing now in Orlando) and got compete crap in return. They were close last year, but had traded for a bunch of free agents and had a few of their own (most notably JJ) to deal with. So suddenly they have a lot of guys to try and re-sign and cap space is becoming tighter as Embiid and Simmons get towards the end of their rookie deals. They should have stuck with Butler and let Harris go as we've seen Butler is a guy who rises to the occasion in big moments. Harris is a good piece, but really a 3rd or 4th option guy on a contender and he gets a max deal. Clippers offer before the trade of 20mil a season was more in line with his worth. Then they let Reddick go and doubled down on the going big by signing Horford to a ridiculously bloated 4 year deal (and I thank them as it got him to opt out of his final year in Boston and gave the Celts the cap space to singe Kemba). So now they have far less outside shooting in a league that's all about spacing and 3 balls.
So really the failed moves have all been after what was known as "The process".

Everything they've done though hasn't produced a championship. So trusting the process didn't pan out.

Embiid is great but has health issues and Simmons refuses to develop an outside shot.

I don't see how it was a success at all.

Poncier

Never said it was a success, but "the process" as Juggs will tell you was Sam Hinkie's deal, and he was usurped by the Colangelo family just as the pieces began to fall into place, and from that point, the moves made were more focused on immediate success and most have not panned out. The "trust" quickly disappeared from the front office once Hinkie was gone.
That's why I said its post process that failed. The Process got them into position to contend, then 2 new GM's f'ed things up in the past 4 years.

tempo_n_groove

Bron and AD are looking really good again.

Go Lakers.

Ty Lue to coach the 76ers?  

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

Never said it was a success, but "the process" as Juggs will tell you was Sam Hinkie's deal, and he was usurped by the Colangelo family just as the pieces began to fall into place, and from that point, the moves made were more focused on immediate success and most have not panned out. The "trust" quickly disappeared from the front office once Hinkie was gone.
That's why I said its post process that failed. The Process got them into position to contend, then 2 new GM's f'ed things up in the past 4 years.

I see what you r saying but calling any part of it a success is a stretch.  If making the playoffs is a success then by all means celebrate, then you've become the Knicks.

I was actually coming around to appreciating what they did but the team suffers from arrested development and can't get to that next phase which you elaborated on why.

tempo_n_groove

huge playoff weekend and it's quiet in here...

Poncier

Nothing important happening until Thursday. 

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

Nothing important happening until Thursday. 

Boston looks good.  I have them making the finals.

xavier mcdaniel

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

Nothing important happening until Thursday. 

Boston looks good.  I have them making the finals.

I think whoever wins the Raptors-Celtics series goes to the finals out of the East against the Lakers

tempo_n_groove

xavier mcdaniel said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

Nothing important happening until Thursday. 

Boston looks good.  I have them making the finals.

I think whoever wins the Raptors-Celtics series goes to the finals out of the East against the Lakers

I won't argue that.  Miami looks good but not better than those 2 teams.

23scidoo

Jokic has big problems with Gobert..

Poncier

Lillard out for game 5.

cp3iverson

Giannis — Defensive Player of the Year.  

About to join Olajuwon and MJ as DPOY and MVP in the same season. 

23scidoo

On 2008, he touches ball for first time..12 years later..congrats my boy!!!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1298387778741436416

23scidoo

By mistake??..i don't think so..

https://twitter.com/i/status/1298453682250547200

23scidoo

Shaq, a little god!!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1298394231254335490

cutz

Bucks are Boycotting and not playing.

cutz

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/2009636

Report: Bucks boycott Game 5 vs. Magic

Josh Weinstein

4m ago

David Sherman / National Basketball Association / Getty

The Milwaukee Bucks have boycotted Game 5 of their first-round series against the Orlando Magic, ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reports.

After Bucks players didn't come out on the court ahead of tip-off, Magic players went back to their locker room as well. The game was scheduled to begin shortly after 4 p.m.

This demonstration is in response to the police shooting of Jacob Blake captured on video this past weekend.

More to come.

23scidoo

cutz said:

Bucks are Boycotting and not playing.

👏👏👏

The Juggler

So what happens if you had the Magic money line?