2024/2025 NBA Season October 22nd Opening Tip off! Pg 112

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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,238
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Move the 3-line back and get rid of the "side of the court" shot which is a shorter distance and has become a sabrmetrics hack.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    I like the abundance of 3's. Why take a long 2, when you can step back and get an extra point behind the line? It just makes sense. Creates more spacing than where was twenty years ago when they took half as many attempts. 

    To me, the bigger issue in the game is defenders not being allowed to hand check and how every little thing is a foul. 

    Twenty years ago is also when hand checking was outlawed, coincidentally. 

    I'd like to see a blending of the two eras. You'd likely still have more scoring, but the defense will definitely not be as atrocious as most of it is nowadays. 
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,352
    Well yeah, with the rules being what they are it totally makes sense that teams shoot a ton of 3's. That's why I say make it harder to change the calculus, and you'll see more shooting all over the floor.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Well yeah, with the rules being what they are it totally makes sense that teams shoot a ton of 3's. That's why I say make it harder to change the calculus, and you'll see more shooting all over the floor.
    Just let them play D the way they did twenty years ago. 
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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,238
    The Juggler said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Well yeah, with the rules being what they are it totally makes sense that teams shoot a ton of 3's. That's why I say make it harder to change the calculus, and you'll see more shooting all over the floor.
    Just let them play D the way they did twenty years ago. 
    Bill Lambeer?
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    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,238
    ^^^ I guess that was more like 30-40 years ago.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90-MMxiXI0Q&t=6s

    12 year old Juggler was so hyped up for this one!
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,352
    You had to love Rick Mahorn. Yeah I don't think Adam Silver wants it like that...
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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,238
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    You had to love Rick Mahorn. Yeah I don't think Adam Silver wants it like that...
    yet he talked draymond out of retirement (altho I think this story is just draymond being his usual drama queen self).
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,165
    RIP Dejan Milojevic (Warriors assistant coach)
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,868
    eeriepadave said:
    RIP Dejan Milojevic (Warriors assistant coach)
    Yeah, sad and shocking story.
    RIP.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,336
    eeriepadave said:
    RIP Dejan Milojevic (Warriors assistant coach)
    Only 46, that sad
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,336
    Wobbie said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Poncier said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Oh yeah, Morant is out for the year.  Ho hum.
    It's a shame. That team is quite competitive with Ja on the floor. Could have made the west playoffs that much more interesting.
    he's actualy fun to watch, not like these other games where its a barrage of missed 3pointers.
    So you don't like three pointers?
    lol like X and Wobbie said, the "missed" 3 pointers are a tough swallow and watch for me nowadays.

    I wouldn't mind the NBA getting rid of it TBH.  a lot of the play is boring as hell.  Zero ball movement and spot shooters waiting to let it fly... and he missed.  Again...
    I was kidding. You talk about this a lot. 
    Fair enough. I missed da joke mang...

    Just out of curiosity, what is your take on it?  Seriously.
    good question….I dunno where I stand….it is undeniably painful to watch some team brick three after three….there are only a handful of true three point shooters, and a whole bunch of pretenders.
    The Juggler said:
    I like the abundance of 3's. Why take a long 2, when you can step back and get an extra point behind the line? It just makes sense. Creates more spacing than where was twenty years ago when they took half as many attempts. 

    To me, the bigger issue in the game is defenders not being allowed to hand check and how every little thing is a foul. 

    Twenty years ago is also when hand checking was outlawed, coincidentally. 

    I'd like to see a blending of the two eras. You'd likely still have more scoring, but the defense will definitely not be as atrocious as most of it is nowadays. 
    Amen to most of this.  

    I know I'm on the outskirts but I love seeing good D.  I love a nice rejection and I love a good steal and a breakaway score...

    Hand Check yes.

    What about widening the court?  Too extreme?  I thought about moving the 3 back too and no side shots but I think the straight away 3's are easier.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,336
    Watched the Lakers game last night against Dallas.

    The Lakers can play amazing some times, last night was one of them.  Healthy they are good.  I know they will never be 100% healthy come playoff time...
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Who doesn't enjoy good defense though?  ...other than David Silver?

    lol
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  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,802
    the last great D played in league was prob the 2005 Finals Spurs/Pistons, Game 7, 81-74

    Spurs reached 102 pts in one game.....everything else under 100

    I still watch hoops, but I miss old school days....
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,336
    CROJAM95 said:
    the last great D played in league was prob the 2005 Finals Spurs/Pistons, Game 7, 81-74

    Spurs reached 102 pts in one game.....everything else under 100

    I still watch hoops, but I miss old school days....
    Lebron Chase Down Block to win his 4th championship series had some good D, not like that series but some good D.
  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,802
    theres been good D....But last series I remember being like the late 80's/90s was SA/Pistons

    Ben Wallace and Ras WEEEED Wallace vs Duncan
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    CROJAM95 said:
    the last great D played in league was prob the 2005 Finals Spurs/Pistons, Game 7, 81-74

    Spurs reached 102 pts in one game.....everything else under 100

    I still watch hoops, but I miss old school days....
    Those low scoring games in late 90's early 2000's could get boring in my opinion. . You can have good defense and still able to score over a hundred. 

    Back in the 80's and early 90's teams still played better D but scoring averages were close to where they are now...

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats_per_game.html
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,336
    CROJAM95 said:
    theres been good D....But last series I remember being like the late 80's/90s was SA/Pistons

    Ben Wallace and Ras WEEEED Wallace vs Duncan
    2 of my fav players.  I watched the UNC game where he got that bald spot on his head.

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