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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,635
    edited February 2023
    The Juggler said:
    I think the Knicks should bring Don Mattingly aboard. 
    He played basketball 
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  • The Juggler
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    igotid88 said:
    The Juggler said:
    I think the Knicks should bring Don Mattingly aboard. 
    He played basketball 
    Should be in the HOF
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  • Wobbie
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    igotid88 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    What a week.

    LA gets rid of Westbrook, KD goes to the Suns and Kyrie goes to Dallas.

    Kyrie looked good out there, give it a month.  In fairness.  Mark Cuban is a good owner so maybe, just maybe, Kyrie will be ok.  Odds are against him though.

     the Nets had a super team in Harden, Kyrie and Durant and couldn't find a way to make it work.  This should speak volumes of what Miami was able to accomplish.
    Kyrie is a great player. That isn't the problem 
    no, the problem is he’s a terrible human being.
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  • eeriepadave
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    The Juggler said:
    igotid88 said:
    The Juggler said:
    I think the Knicks should bring Don Mattingly aboard. 
    He played basketball 
    Should be in the HOF
    basketball HoF? :lol:

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  • Wobbie
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    I kinda hate this NBA Superteam mentality. MLB is becoming the same. Can’t do it in the NFL.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • Wobbie
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    igotid88 said:
    The Juggler said:
    I think the Knicks should bring Don Mattingly aboard. 
    He played basketball 
    yes, he did. his hair was next level.


    If I had known then what I know now...

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    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,372
    Wobbie said:
    I kinda hate this NBA Superteam mentality. MLB is becoming the same. Can’t do it in the NFL.
    What superteams won anything besides Miami, and that's if they are a superteam?  Piling up great players doesn't always mean success which is why I give Miami Credit for pulling it off.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,372
    igotid88 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    igotid88 said:
    KD just should have gone to the Knicks like he wanted to. 
    I remember him saying specifically that The Knicks aren't a team that players want to play for. "The cool thing is not the Knicks"
    But the Nets were? Even with the players they got were still the 2nd team in the city 
    We talked about the Nets way more, for better or worse.  Theres only so many times you can talk about Julius Randle...
  • The Juggler
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    Wobbie said:
    I kinda hate this NBA Superteam mentality. MLB is becoming the same. Can’t do it in the NFL.
    What superteams won anything besides Miami, and that's if they are a superteam?  Piling up great players doesn't always mean success which is why I give Miami Credit for pulling it off.
    The Celtics, the Warriors, the Cavs, the Lakers a couple years ago...
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,372
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Wobbie said:
    I kinda hate this NBA Superteam mentality. MLB is becoming the same. Can’t do it in the NFL.
    What superteams won anything besides Miami, and that's if they are a superteam?  Piling up great players doesn't always mean success which is why I give Miami Credit for pulling it off.
    The Celtics, the Warriors, the Cavs, the Lakers a couple years ago...
    Celtics?  What'd they win?  Warriors were all draft picks and winning even before KD and won when he left.  Lakers?  The Bubble team w Lebron?
  • Poncier
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    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Wobbie said:
    I kinda hate this NBA Superteam mentality. MLB is becoming the same. Can’t do it in the NFL.
    What superteams won anything besides Miami, and that's if they are a superteam?  Piling up great players doesn't always mean success which is why I give Miami Credit for pulling it off.
    The Celtics, the Warriors, the Cavs, the Lakers a couple years ago...
    Right, there have definitely been other super teams. Just usually built by the GM, as in Danny Ainge trading for Garnett and Allen whereas Miami started the whole players determining who they team up with phenomenon.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    edited February 2023
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Wobbie said:
    I kinda hate this NBA Superteam mentality. MLB is becoming the same. Can’t do it in the NFL.
    What superteams won anything besides Miami, and that's if they are a superteam?  Piling up great players doesn't always mean success which is why I give Miami Credit for pulling it off.
    The Celtics, the Warriors, the Cavs, the Lakers a couple years ago...
    Celtics?  What'd they win?  Warriors were all draft picks and winning even before KD and won when he left.  Lakers?  The Bubble team w Lebron?
    The NBA Championship.
    Warriors won 2 after KD went there.
    Yeah, the bubble team when Lebron and AD went there. 
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  • The Juggler
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    I guess you could even make the argument that the Sixers of the early 80's were the original super team. 
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,372
    The Juggler said:
    I guess you could even make the argument that the Sixers of the early 80's were the original super team. 
    If we are going that far back then ok.I thought we were talking the past few years.  A bunch of times it was tried and didn't work out.  The Nets Twice now in the last 10 years, The Lakers w Nash, Malone and Peyton, Rockets w Olajuwon, Barkley and Drex, Clippers w PG and Kawhi.

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    edited February 2023
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    I guess you could even make the argument that the Sixers of the early 80's were the original super team. 
    If we are going that far back then ok.I thought we were talking the past few years.  A bunch of times it was tried and didn't work out.  The Nets Twice now in the last 10 years, The Lakers w Nash, Malone and Peyton, Rockets w Olajuwon, Barkley and Drex, Clippers w PG and Kawhi.

    Am I missing any?
    Every other team I mentioned went back just a year or two before you did with the Celtics. 

    Plus these other teams you are mentioning were all really good and either lost in the finals or conference finals mostly...just came across better teams eventually. A lot them featured stars who were on their last legs though. 
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,372
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    I guess you could even make the argument that the Sixers of the early 80's were the original super team. 
    If we are going that far back then ok.I thought we were talking the past few years.  A bunch of times it was tried and didn't work out.  The Nets Twice now in the last 10 years, The Lakers w Nash, Malone and Peyton, Rockets w Olajuwon, Barkley and Drex, Clippers w PG and Kawhi.

    Am I missing any?
    Every other team I mentioned went back just a year or two before you did with the Celtics. 
    Yes that's why I didn't include them as they were mentioned already.

    The Cavs though?  They traded a first round pick in Wiggins for an outside shooter in Love.  A good piece but not a superteam piece IMO.
    I also thought you meant newer Celtics, not 08 Celtics.

    Also The Warriors were not as stated previously and which Lakers team won that was a superteam?  Not the Bubble one?
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    edited February 2023
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    I guess you could even make the argument that the Sixers of the early 80's were the original super team. 
    If we are going that far back then ok.I thought we were talking the past few years.  A bunch of times it was tried and didn't work out.  The Nets Twice now in the last 10 years, The Lakers w Nash, Malone and Peyton, Rockets w Olajuwon, Barkley and Drex, Clippers w PG and Kawhi.

    Am I missing any?
    Every other team I mentioned went back just a year or two before you did with the Celtics. 
    Yes that's why I didn't include them as they were mentioned already.

    The Cavs though?  They traded a first round pick in Wiggins for an outside shooter in Love.  A good piece but not a superteam piece IMO.
    I also thought you meant newer Celtics, not 08 Celtics.

    Also The Warriors were not as stated previously and which Lakers team won that was a superteam?  Not the Bubble one?


    The Cavs got Lebron, Kyrie and Kevin Love. How's that not a super team?
    Nah, that originally Danny Ainge Celtic team was sort of the first super team in this era.
    How were the Warriors not? They added one of the maybe 10 greatest players ever to Curry and Thompson. That's an obvious one.
    The Lakers added Anthony Davis to a team featuring Lebron still in his prime, that's a super team. 
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,372
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    I guess you could even make the argument that the Sixers of the early 80's were the original super team. 
    If we are going that far back then ok.I thought we were talking the past few years.  A bunch of times it was tried and didn't work out.  The Nets Twice now in the last 10 years, The Lakers w Nash, Malone and Peyton, Rockets w Olajuwon, Barkley and Drex, Clippers w PG and Kawhi.

    Am I missing any?
    Every other team I mentioned went back just a year or two before you did with the Celtics. 
    Yes that's why I didn't include them as they were mentioned already.

    The Cavs though?  They traded a first round pick in Wiggins for an outside shooter in Love.  A good piece but not a superteam piece IMO.
    I also thought you meant newer Celtics, not 08 Celtics.

    Also The Warriors were not as stated previously and which Lakers team won that was a superteam?  Not the Bubble one?


    The Cavs got Lebron, Kyrie and Kevin Love. How's that not a super team?
    Nah, that originally Danny Ainge Celtic team was sort of the first super team in this era.
    How were the Warriors not? They added one of the maybe 10 greatest players ever to Curry and Thompson. That's an obvious one.
    The Lakers added Anthony Davis to a team featuring Lebron still in his prime, that's a super team. 
    OK so two people is not a Superteam to me, that's just a difference of the meaning though. The Bulls adding Rodman and Kukoc makes them a superteam?
    Cavs is a longshot to me but I can see it.  Nobody was raving about Love until he got to the Cavs though.
    Warriors again were stacked from draft picks, adding KD was over the top yes.
    AD and LBJ aren't a superteam when the rest were bit players. 

    It's an interesting perspective to talk about.  I disagree with throwing around the term though.  Adding a piece is different from loading up with players.  The Nets acquiring 3 future HOFers was definitely a superteam.

    Like the Kobe/Shaq Lakers I would not consider a superteam.  That was a good player leaving for another team and they gelled. I mean Kobe was good before shaq when he got there he became great.

    I agree on the Celtics to a point.  Ray Allens numbers dropped significantly when he went to Boston but still good.

    I enjoy the conversation, so thank you.
  • Poncier
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    I guess you could even make the argument that the Sixers of the early 80's were the original super team. 
    If we are going that far back then ok.I thought we were talking the past few years.  A bunch of times it was tried and didn't work out.  The Nets Twice now in the last 10 years, The Lakers w Nash, Malone and Peyton, Rockets w Olajuwon, Barkley and Drex, Clippers w PG and Kawhi.

    Am I missing any?
    Every other team I mentioned went back just a year or two before you did with the Celtics. 
    Yes that's why I didn't include them as they were mentioned already.

    The Cavs though?  They traded a first round pick in Wiggins for an outside shooter in Love.  A good piece but not a superteam piece IMO.
    I also thought you meant newer Celtics, not 08 Celtics.

    Also The Warriors were not as stated previously and which Lakers team won that was a superteam?  Not the Bubble one?


    The Cavs got Lebron, Kyrie and Kevin Love. How's that not a super team?
    Nah, that originally Danny Ainge Celtic team was sort of the first super team in this era.
    How were the Warriors not? They added one of the maybe 10 greatest players ever to Curry and Thompson. That's an obvious one.
    The Lakers added Anthony Davis to a team featuring Lebron still in his prime, that's a super team. 


    I agree on the Celtics to a point.  Ray Allens numbers dropped significantly when he went to Boston but still good.


    He averaged 17.4 in the title year, a noticeable drop off from the previous 2 seasons where he was basically the entire offense in Seattle sure, but not like he stopped scoring. He was not asked to carry the entire load suddenly when teamed up with 2 other hall of famers. Averaged 18.2 the following year.
    His career average is 18.9.
    The real drop off came when he went to Miami for his final 2 seasons.
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  • igotid88
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    igotid88 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    igotid88 said:
    KD just should have gone to the Knicks like he wanted to. 
    I remember him saying specifically that The Knicks aren't a team that players want to play for. "The cool thing is not the Knicks"
    But the Nets were? Even with the players they got were still the 2nd team in the city 
    We talked about the Nets way more, for better or worse.  Theres only so many times you can talk about Julius Randle...
    I doubt they sold out every game 
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