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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 25,600
    23scidoo said:
    So I wanted to talk about the Nets.  I said "No way this will work".

    Well I'm going to eat those words.  The team apparently isn't all ball hoggish and found a way to play together.  Watching them all play is amazing.

    The Knicks are another surprising team that has learned to play together and will all play defense.  They are actually fun to watch also.
    Told you about Knicks, they play better every night..
    the Nets, if Harden keep passing like this, they have future..
    I live in NY so I know all about them.  I have also mentioned that if they make the playoffs they will be an early exit too.

    Spot on with Harden and passing.  he and Kyrie discussed their roles and it really does work, now if they learn to play better D?  Would be very interesting.

    Everyone that is high on the Jazz needs to pump the brakes too.  Come playoff time this team isn't really built to go to a finals.

    I think the days of the little engine that could type of Detroit team from the early 2000's and win a chip are gone.
    But there have never been "days of little engines that could's." Detroit was just the exception to the rule. 

    Utah is real good. Everyone on that team can shoot and Goebert is one of the best defenders in the league. I think they have a shot. 
    Draw Goebert away from the paint and he is useless.  In the paint he is a friggin menace.  Dude is so long he has great shot blocking ability.

    Other Little engines that could that come to mind are Lebrons first Cavs final, Iversons run, Mavs only title.  I know there are more but those are off the top of my head.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 39,134
    edited February 16
    23scidoo said:
    So I wanted to talk about the Nets.  I said "No way this will work".

    Well I'm going to eat those words.  The team apparently isn't all ball hoggish and found a way to play together.  Watching them all play is amazing.

    The Knicks are another surprising team that has learned to play together and will all play defense.  They are actually fun to watch also.
    Told you about Knicks, they play better every night..
    the Nets, if Harden keep passing like this, they have future..
    I live in NY so I know all about them.  I have also mentioned that if they make the playoffs they will be an early exit too.

    Spot on with Harden and passing.  he and Kyrie discussed their roles and it really does work, now if they learn to play better D?  Would be very interesting.

    Everyone that is high on the Jazz needs to pump the brakes too.  Come playoff time this team isn't really built to go to a finals.

    I think the days of the little engine that could type of Detroit team from the early 2000's and win a chip are gone.
    But there have never been "days of little engines that could's." Detroit was just the exception to the rule. 

    Utah is real good. Everyone on that team can shoot and Goebert is one of the best defenders in the league. I think they have a shot. 
    Draw Goebert away from the paint and he is useless.  In the paint he is a friggin menace.  Dude is so long he has great shot blocking ability.

    Other Little engines that could that come to mind are Lebrons first Cavs final, Iversons run, Mavs only title.  I know there are more but those are off the top of my head.
    Ehhh....those are exceptions and other than Dallas, didn't win anything. Plus they all had at least one superstar. Detroit is the only team I can think of in my entire life who won a championship without a superstar.  
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 11,925
    23scidoo said:
    So I wanted to talk about the Nets.  I said "No way this will work".

    Well I'm going to eat those words.  The team apparently isn't all ball hoggish and found a way to play together.  Watching them all play is amazing.

    The Knicks are another surprising team that has learned to play together and will all play defense.  They are actually fun to watch also.
    Told you about Knicks, they play better every night..
    the Nets, if Harden keep passing like this, they have future..
    I live in NY so I know all about them.  I have also mentioned that if they make the playoffs they will be an early exit too.

    Spot on with Harden and passing.  he and Kyrie discussed their roles and it really does work, now if they learn to play better D?  Would be very interesting.

    Everyone that is high on the Jazz needs to pump the brakes too.  Come playoff time this team isn't really built to go to a finals.

    I think the days of the little engine that could type of Detroit team from the early 2000's and win a chip are gone.
    But there have never been "days of little engines that could's." Detroit was just the exception to the rule. 

    Utah is real good. Everyone on that team can shoot and Goebert is one of the best defenders in the league. I think they have a shot. 
    Draw Goebert away from the paint and he is useless.  In the paint he is a friggin menace.  Dude is so long he has great shot blocking ability.

    Other Little engines that could that come to mind are Lebrons first Cavs final, Iversons run, Mavs only title.  I know there are more but those are off the top of my head.
    Ehhh....those are exceptions and other than Dallas, didn't win anything. Plus they all had at least one superstar. Detroit is the only team I can think of in my entire life who won a championship without a superstar.  

    This weekend we rock Portland
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 25,600
    23scidoo said:
    So I wanted to talk about the Nets.  I said "No way this will work".

    Well I'm going to eat those words.  The team apparently isn't all ball hoggish and found a way to play together.  Watching them all play is amazing.

    The Knicks are another surprising team that has learned to play together and will all play defense.  They are actually fun to watch also.
    Told you about Knicks, they play better every night..
    the Nets, if Harden keep passing like this, they have future..
    I live in NY so I know all about them.  I have also mentioned that if they make the playoffs they will be an early exit too.

    Spot on with Harden and passing.  he and Kyrie discussed their roles and it really does work, now if they learn to play better D?  Would be very interesting.

    Everyone that is high on the Jazz needs to pump the brakes too.  Come playoff time this team isn't really built to go to a finals.

    I think the days of the little engine that could type of Detroit team from the early 2000's and win a chip are gone.
    But there have never been "days of little engines that could's." Detroit was just the exception to the rule. 

    Utah is real good. Everyone on that team can shoot and Goebert is one of the best defenders in the league. I think they have a shot. 
    Draw Goebert away from the paint and he is useless.  In the paint he is a friggin menace.  Dude is so long he has great shot blocking ability.

    Other Little engines that could that come to mind are Lebrons first Cavs final, Iversons run, Mavs only title.  I know there are more but those are off the top of my head.
    Ehhh....those are exceptions and other than Dallas, didn't win anything. Plus they all had at least one superstar. Detroit is the only team I can think of in my entire life who won a championship without a superstar.  
    Rip,  Rasheed and Ben were far from being no names...  But I still call them the Little Engine.  A bunch of blue collar hustlers.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 39,134
    edited February 16
    There is a huge difference between "not being a no name" and being a superstar though. 
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 25,600
    There is a huge difference between "not being a no name" and being a superstar though. 
    100%.  Sheed was a star at one time, Rip was asked to represent Team Jordan and Wallace was a defensive player multiple years.  If Detroit was east or west coast they may have been received better?

    These guys were a little engine w players that were quite good but no superstar love.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 39,134
    There is a huge difference between "not being a no name" and being a superstar though. 
    100%.  Sheed was a star at one time, Rip was asked to represent Team Jordan and Wallace was a defensive player multiple years.  If Detroit was east or west coast they may have been received better?

    These guys were a little engine w players that were quite good but no superstar love.
    I don't think Rasheed Wallace was ever a superstar though. He was a damn good player for a long time. But when I think "superstar," I think top 10ish player in the league. I don't think he was ever that good. 

    Of course I am biased because he once spurned the three time national champion Villanova Wildcats for some scrub team out of North Carolina... but that's neither here, there, nor over yonder. 
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 25,600
    There is a huge difference between "not being a no name" and being a superstar though. 
    100%.  Sheed was a star at one time, Rip was asked to represent Team Jordan and Wallace was a defensive player multiple years.  If Detroit was east or west coast they may have been received better?

    These guys were a little engine w players that were quite good but no superstar love.
    I don't think Rasheed Wallace was ever a superstar though. He was a damn good player for a long time. But when I think "superstar," I think top 10ish player in the league. I don't think he was ever that good. 

    Of course I am biased because he once spurned the three time national champion Villanova Wildcats for some scrub team out of North Carolina... but that's neither here, there, nor over yonder. 
    No you are completely right on Sheed.  I loved watching him play in those AF1's, lol.  I remember watching when he got those stitches on his head.
    Same goes for Wallace and Rip.  Loved watching them play.  They had a basketball players respect so to me they were stars.  They played the game right.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 39,134
    There is a huge difference between "not being a no name" and being a superstar though. 
    100%.  Sheed was a star at one time, Rip was asked to represent Team Jordan and Wallace was a defensive player multiple years.  If Detroit was east or west coast they may have been received better?

    These guys were a little engine w players that were quite good but no superstar love.
    I don't think Rasheed Wallace was ever a superstar though. He was a damn good player for a long time. But when I think "superstar," I think top 10ish player in the league. I don't think he was ever that good. 

    Of course I am biased because he once spurned the three time national champion Villanova Wildcats for some scrub team out of North Carolina... but that's neither here, there, nor over yonder. 
    No you are completely right on Sheed.  I loved watching him play in those AF1's, lol.  I remember watching when he got those stitches on his head.
    Same goes for Wallace and Rip.  Loved watching them play.  They had a basketball players respect so to me they were stars.  They played the game right.
    Yeah that was just before sneezing on someone constituted a flagrant one. 

    I was thinking about this earlier actually. I miss the old days of physical basketball like when Sheed played and earlier in the 90's and 80's. I think the game was better overall in those days. However, I LOVE the spacing of today's game and it like how the game flows better with guys spread out utilizing the three point shot. Wish we could have a hybrid of both the physicality and the utilization of the three pointer. Would be basketball nirvana to me!
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 11,925
    Its funny to see this back and forth about the Pistons and neither one of you mentions Chauncy Billups, aka Mr. Big Shot, who was finals MVP.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • Jumb0Jumb0 Posts: 153
    None of those Pistons players were superstars. They were really good players, but not superstar level.


  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 25,600
    Poncier said:
    Its funny to see this back and forth about the Pistons and neither one of you mentions Chauncy Billups, aka Mr. Big Shot, who was finals MVP.
    Another hard nosed player.  Out of all on that winning team not a one will make it in to the Hall which is sad.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 25,600
    There is a huge difference between "not being a no name" and being a superstar though. 
    100%.  Sheed was a star at one time, Rip was asked to represent Team Jordan and Wallace was a defensive player multiple years.  If Detroit was east or west coast they may have been received better?

    These guys were a little engine w players that were quite good but no superstar love.
    I don't think Rasheed Wallace was ever a superstar though. He was a damn good player for a long time. But when I think "superstar," I think top 10ish player in the league. I don't think he was ever that good. 

    Of course I am biased because he once spurned the three time national champion Villanova Wildcats for some scrub team out of North Carolina... but that's neither here, there, nor over yonder. 
    No you are completely right on Sheed.  I loved watching him play in those AF1's, lol.  I remember watching when he got those stitches on his head.
    Same goes for Wallace and Rip.  Loved watching them play.  They had a basketball players respect so to me they were stars.  They played the game right.
    Yeah that was just before sneezing on someone constituted a flagrant one. 

    I was thinking about this earlier actually. I miss the old days of physical basketball like when Sheed played and earlier in the 90's and 80's. I think the game was better overall in those days. However, I LOVE the spacing of today's game and it like how the game flows better with guys spread out utilizing the three point shot. Wish we could have a hybrid of both the physicality and the utilization of the three pointer. Would be basketball nirvana to me!
    I would eliminate the flops, the shooter jumping into the defender foul, and reintroduce the hand check.
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 26,428
    23scidoo said:
    So I wanted to talk about the Nets.  I said "No way this will work".

    Well I'm going to eat those words.  The team apparently isn't all ball hoggish and found a way to play together.  Watching them all play is amazing.

    The Knicks are another surprising team that has learned to play together and will all play defense.  They are actually fun to watch also.
    Told you about Knicks, they play better every night..
    the Nets, if Harden keep passing like this, they have future..
    I live in NY so I know all about them.  I have also mentioned that if they make the playoffs they will be an early exit too.

    Spot on with Harden and passing.  he and Kyrie discussed their roles and it really does work, now if they learn to play better D?  Would be very interesting.

    Everyone that is high on the Jazz needs to pump the brakes too.  Come playoff time this team isn't really built to go to a finals.

    I think the days of the little engine that could type of Detroit team from the early 2000's and win a chip are gone.


    Utah is real good. Everyone on that team can shoot and Goebert is one of the best defenders in the league. I think they have a shot. 

    I’m glad you recognize that, juggler. the fact that clarkson got 40 off the bench the other night shows how deep they are. ingles and favors are also on the bench. now......can a 3 point shooting team win it all? the dubs showed it can happen but I’m not expecting this team to do it. too many bad memories of the “almost” stockton and malone teams. that said, this team is cohesive and most of the core has been together for 4+years.

    I like your sixers, too. a couple of stud players, a great coach and a great GM. that said, I don’t see them winning it all, either.

    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 26,428
    unlike MLB or the NFL, where a “hot” team can make a run to the championship (see: Giants, SF), the BEST team almost always prevails in the NBA.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 14,938
    Oh Russell..


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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 26,428
    23scidoo said:
    Oh Russell..


    Is he wearing Shaq’s coat?

    did you see Kyrie’s walking stick look?
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 14,938
    Wobbie said:
    23scidoo said:
    Oh Russell..


    Is he wearing Shaq’s coat?

    did you see Kyrie’s walking stick look?
    Dick Tracy look..lol
    i did..more lol
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    Prague Krakow Berlin 2018.
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 14,938
    One more wasted night watching the Bucks play ugly basketball..
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 39,134
    23scidoo said:
    One more wasted night watching the Bucks play ugly basketball..
    5 in a row now, huh? Yeesh.

    Raptors have been playing good ball lately
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 14,938
    23scidoo said:
    One more wasted night watching the Bucks play ugly basketball..
    5 in a row now, huh? Yeesh.

    Raptors have been playing good ball lately
    And coming more i think..
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 10,892
    so who designed these Heat uniforms? A 12 year old or someone taking some serious acid?  
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 25,600
    Watching the Pels/Celts game and man can Zion jump.

    Hell of a comeback by the Pelicans too.
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 11,925
    Embarrassing loss blowing that lead.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 7,306
    Brandon Ingram had some clutch shots.  Damn. 
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 14,938
    edited February 22
    If you want his MVP trophy, you must try hard..




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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 7,306
    The narrative is finished with Giannis for now.  
    IMO it’s Embiid’s for the taking.  
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 14,938
    The narrative is finished with Giannis for now.  
    IMO it’s Embiid’s for the taking.  
    I was kind of kinding..don't believe he get it for third in row..
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 14,938
    Mario Hezonja came to Greece for my team, Panathinaikos!!!!
    Great deal!!!
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 14,938

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