Offer 10c Merch Pre-Order's - Stop the Madness

PJ-Cubs

Tim Simmons said:

Perfect for us. More work and cost for them. They have to hire additional hands to package the posters. Then it has to be tied to the ticket. Who's handing them out? The ticket people? Then its longer to wait for tickets, plus are the box office people PJ employees or venue employees? Can they pass out posters? No? Then they have to hire people to hand them out. That creates lines of people waiting to pickup. What if a poster has a corner bend from packaging because they had to tube 1200 posters? Are there exchanges? Do they want to handle a complain-y 10c member at the show?  

At the end of the day, it just creates different problems. Yes, the current process isn't great. But if you want the shit, I guess you gotta put the time in. Other than just putting everything up for sale before, during and after in the 10c store (which they'll still have to to hire seasonal employees for the tour times to ship), the current method works. Its time consuming, but the onus of that should be on the fans who want the merch.

If they did a pre-order for posters, I would be more than willing to pay $45 - $50 (plus shipping) for the print to help offset the handling costs.  That additional $10-$15 is a small price to pay to not have to wait in line.

dave grolsch

when i went to Prague 02 to see metallica no poster tubes were allowed into the venue (not sure how last night went for PJ) because of security issues so from that point of view sending them out from a pre- order makes a lot of sense?

on2legs

10 Club Poster Drops for European Tour:

Did they stop because the posters improved and they have less inventory on hand? Or did they stop because its a big hassle to do the drops during the tour and they're going back to dropping them after the shows?

ZeldaZonk

Peasant Tents said:

RP112579 said:

Everyone wants a pre-order for a poster to the show they're going to, until they see the poster and hate it. Then the bitching and complaining about wanting refunds starts, because they don't want to spend $35 on it anymore. It ultimately becomes just a new thing for people to bitch and complain about.

I've got some horrific posters purely because I was at the show. There are some I frame and hang if they're beauties.  If not, I'm just happy to have the souvenir of the show I went to... I cite Amsterdam 2012... Or SBE or Leeds as posters that were not great to the eye but still serve as something I love to look at as a memory of the show...
I guess a lot of other people experience it differently but then they ought to be able to engage brain before buying blind right?!

I know what you mean. I typically buy a poster for all of the shows I attend, but I haven't been able to bring myself to framing the Hampton poster from 2016. Definitely one of the worst. 

PJWGIII

This just makes so much sense! I don't understand the point of using any other system!

Just, why haven't they always been doing this?

EDIT: I get it, money, fans complaining about bad posters, etc. But who has enough energy to complain about a PJ poster not being the most brilliant artwork you've ever seen? It's still a PJ poster!

deadendp

ZeldaZonk said:

Peasant Tents said:

RP112579 said:

Everyone wants a pre-order for a poster to the show they're going to, until they see the poster and hate it. Then the bitching and complaining about wanting refunds starts, because they don't want to spend $35 on it anymore. It ultimately becomes just a new thing for people to bitch and complain about.

I've got some horrific posters purely because I was at the show. There are some I frame and hang if they're beauties.  If not, I'm just happy to have the souvenir of the show I went to... I cite Amsterdam 2012... Or SBE or Leeds as posters that were not great to the eye but still serve as something I love to look at as a memory of the show...
I guess a lot of other people experience it differently but then they ought to be able to engage brain before buying blind right?!

I know what you mean. I typically buy a poster for all of the shows I attend, but I haven't been able to bring myself to framing the Hampton poster from 2016. Definitely one of the worst. 

If you color it, it makes it a bit more tolerable.  I hand colored two of these for friends at the request of one of them.  This one hangs on a kitchen wall.  

Oh, it is still hideous, but at least now it is colorfully hideous!  

darwinstheory

Tim Simmons said:

Perfect for us. More work and cost for them. They have to hire additional hands to package the posters. Then it has to be tied to the ticket. Who's handing them out? The ticket people? Then its longer to wait for tickets, plus are the box office people PJ employees or venue employees? Can they pass out posters? No? Then they have to hire people to hand them out. That creates lines of people waiting to pickup. What if a poster has a corner bend from packaging because they had to tube 1200 posters? Are there exchanges? Do they want to handle a complain-y 10c member at the show?  

At the end of the day, it just creates different problems. Yes, the current process isn't great. But if you want the shit, I guess you gotta put the time in. Other than just putting everything up for sale before, during and after in the 10c store (which they'll still have to to hire seasonal employees for the tour times to ship), the current method works. Its time consuming, but the onus of that should be on the fans who want the merch.

Okay, fair point on the dispersal of them being with the ticket. Though, there could be a separate line with a voucher to pick it up.

Or opt for an additional $10 fee to have said poster mailed to you when tickets are purchased. The mailed orders would probably only require 2 or 3 people packaging and sending them out for 2 weeks or so. Thus, eliminating a need to pay them to travel, lodging and time for working the merch stands. Therefore, increasing profits for the band while satisfying the fanbase. Ordering a poster for a show you are attending sight unseen and not liking it is a risk some would take. You wouldn't HAVE to buy it this way. But if you do and you don't like it, nobody feels sorry for you, but you. Similar to a mystery box. We'd all want the Kong, but may get the Clown.  But most people would enjoy their concert day more by not having to wait for the crazy posters.

Additionally, how about having a designated stand that sells all the stuff except for the posters? This way, the folks who just want stickers and a shirt don't have to wait in the longer lines for people buying posters. 

darwinstheory

PJ-Cubs said:

darwinstheory said:

No madness = less sales
Less sales = more shows to compensate 
More shows = more work/time from home

It is apparent to me that the band is doing things to maximize on their merchandise in order to tour less. They understand many of us are unhappy with it, but we still buy it. The simple fact is, they are a brand/business. Their goal is to make money.

They are fully aware of what DMB does with their posters and fan club tickets. Now I am purely speculating here, but I would highly doubt DMB sells as many posters for their shows. I could be wrong of course.

Alas, after all of the complaints post Wrigley 2013, very little has been done to rectify the issues from our perspective. The band has tried to meet our demands with other types of requests over the years. I remember standing in line for like 2 hours to pick up my 10C tickets at the United Center back in 2008. I believe the last pair I picked up, I waited behind 1 person. However, such a change did not impact anyone's pocket book. The fact that the band has not addressed/responded to these issues in the last 5 years clearly (to me) states that they are quite in favor of the gravy train monster they have created; known as merchandise. And while I hope for changes to the program, I do not expect them and I do not blame the band. It would only change if we were to band together and not buy the stuff/walk past the long lines.

I think 10C heard the complaints after 2013.  They printed significantly more posters for both Wrigley and Fenway in 2016.  That was a big win for people who wanted a poster from the shows.

You are correct on them printing tons more posters. Though I would be hard pressed to believe it was because of our complaints as opposed to them seizing an opportunity to exploit our unwavering desire to shell out copious amounts of money for a nearly unlimited supply of posters. 

EM194007

Isn't it mrtsurt that runs the merch at the shows, not 10C these days? If so, that throws a new loop into the puzzle, depending on their contract. I still say do a timed poster drop. But, that will never happen because of the prints people don't want, won't sell good. 

Parity

I only ever bought one poster and it's sat in a tube ever since - I'm not entirely sure where it is! Does anybody actually hang these all up, or just hold on to them as a memento? I'm just surprised at all the hoo-ha this causes... I'm not criticising BTW, each to their own and all that, just commenting!

js261067

Just saw this thread and assumed it was started on this tour. Just sad it’s the same old shit again. 
Todays poster might be a stinker. It’ll still sell out. So so something about availability so everyone gets a chance to have one. It’s a fucking picture. Print more. Open the shop. Sell them for 2 weeks. And then however many you sell, go print em.
Charge a premium to cover costs if you must, just do it so it’s fair. 

faithful2you

I have better things to do than spend the entire day sitting in a line miserable, sweating my ass off (usually) to buy stuff.   I'd rather go enjoy myself in the city they're playing.  It has turned into most people waiting in line are there to resell because people like me would rather pay 3-5 times more after the fact to avoid it.....they created an environment that they used to try to fight to stop.  Ironic?   I know I know...the argument will be "but it allows fans to hang out together and you meet new people and have a good time".  There's better ways to do that than to buy material things.   Until you have it all you won't be free.     

js261067

what if it's your home town and they come once every 4 years?  I want a damn poster.

helplessdancer

darwinstheory said:

No madness = less sales
Less sales = more shows to compensate 
More shows = more work/time from home

It is apparent to me that the band is doing things to maximize on their merchandise in order to tour less. They understand many of us are unhappy with it, but we still buy it. The simple fact is, they are a brand/business. Their goal is to make money.

They are fully aware of what DMB does with their posters and fan club tickets. Now I am purely speculating here, but I would highly doubt DMB sells as many posters for their shows. I could be wrong of course.

Alas, after all of the complaints post Wrigley 2013, very little has been done to rectify the issues from our perspective. The band has tried to meet our demands with other types of requests over the years. I remember standing in line for like 2 hours to pick up my 10C tickets at the United Center back in 2008. I believe the last pair I picked up, I waited behind 1 person. However, such a change did not impact anyone's pocket book. The fact that the band has not addressed/responded to these issues in the last 5 years clearly (to me) states that they are quite in favor of the gravy train monster they have created; known as merchandise. And while I hope for changes to the program, I do not expect them and I do not blame the band. It would only change if we were to band together and not buy the stuff/walk past the long lines.

can't argue against reason.
and i will buy seattle 2018 pins and stickers for 3 times face value as i will not be standing in line for anything other than a beer and green hash. hit me up people. money to be made, right here   

CopperTom

It sure would have been nice if 10C sent an email or post on the forum with the change to Krakow merchandise sale time and location information.

HesCalledDyer

Parity said:

I only ever bought one poster and it's sat in a tube ever since - I'm not entirely sure where it is! Does anybody actually hang these all up, or just hold on to them as a memento? I'm just surprised at all the hoo-ha this causes... I'm not criticising BTW, each to their own and all that, just commenting!

The four I have are framed and hung.  The rest I got rid of and I'm now out of the poster game.  It's gotta be something I reeeeeeeeeeally want to frame and hang from now on.

stones

How about a merch code for each 10c ticket similar to the bootleg download code you get each year you renew.  One code per 10c member, per ticket they 'win' in the lottery.

The code could then be used to a pre-sale before the psst drop for posters, and the same model could also be potentially used for shirts, stickers, pins etc.  They can keep the exclusivity and buzz alive by offering some of the variant stuff only at the show merch stands.

Having spent far too long in queues this past tour, my experience is that it's not usually the locals waiting in long lines for merch.  It's the travelling fans (mainly US, but not exclusively) who have differing motives for scoring the merch.  Some want it as souvenirs of their trip, others want it to resell to recoup some of the costs of following the band around the world.

bobby dazzlers

The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind

js261067

bobby dazzlers said:

The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind

well you sure as hell won't own any posters either!

bobby dazzlers

js261067 said:

bobby dazzlers said:

The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind

well you sure as hell won't own any posters either!