Offer 10c Merch Pre-Order's - Stop the Madness

darwinstheory

No madness = less sales
Less sales = more shows to compensate 
More shows = more work/time from home

It is apparent to me that the band is doing things to maximize on their merchandise in order to tour less. They understand many of us are unhappy with it, but we still buy it. The simple fact is, they are a brand/business. Their goal is to make money.

They are fully aware of what DMB does with their posters and fan club tickets. Now I am purely speculating here, but I would highly doubt DMB sells as many posters for their shows. I could be wrong of course.

Alas, after all of the complaints post Wrigley 2013, very little has been done to rectify the issues from our perspective. The band has tried to meet our demands with other types of requests over the years. I remember standing in line for like 2 hours to pick up my 10C tickets at the United Center back in 2008. I believe the last pair I picked up, I waited behind 1 person. However, such a change did not impact anyone's pocket book. The fact that the band has not addressed/responded to these issues in the last 5 years clearly (to me) states that they are quite in favor of the gravy train monster they have created; known as merchandise. And while I hope for changes to the program, I do not expect them and I do not blame the band. It would only change if we were to band together and not buy the stuff/walk past the long lines.

BF89905

darwinstheory said:

No madness = less sales
Less sales = more shows to compensate 
More shows = more work/time from home

It is apparent to me that the band is doing things to maximize on their merchandise in order to tour less. They understand many of us are unhappy with it, but we still buy it. The simple fact is, they are a brand/business. Their goal is to make money.

They are fully aware of what DMB does with their posters and fan club tickets. Now I am purely speculating here, but I would highly doubt DMB sells as many posters for their shows. I could be wrong of course.

Alas, after all of the complaints post Wrigley 2013, very little has been done to rectify the issues from our perspective. The band has tried to meet our demands with other types of requests over the years. I remember standing in line for like 2 hours to pick up my 10C tickets at the United Center back in 2008. I believe the last pair I picked up, I waited behind 1 person. However, such a change did not impact anyone's pocket book. The fact that the band has not addressed/responded to these issues in the last 5 years clearly (to me) states that they are quite in favor of the gravy train monster they have created; known as merchandise. And while I hope for changes to the program, I do not expect them and I do not blame the band. It would only change if we were to band together and not buy the stuff/walk past the long lines.

If someone is wiling to stand on line for hours to get a momento from a show/band then, unfortunately, they're the source of this 'problem'.  Enjoy the music everyone.

MickeyMouse

Finally some voices of reason 

darwinstheory

MickeyMouse said:

Finally some voices of reason 

But hey, maybe I'm wrong and they are not aware. So, if they read this, I hope they try offering 1 of each poster to any 10C member who purchases tickets to the show when tickets are purchased. Said poster(s) could then be prepackaged in tube for concertgoer to pick up with their tickets. Regular merxh lines for the rest of the standard concert gear. Brilliant! 

Jamer196

darwinstheory said:

MickeyMouse said:

Finally some voices of reason 

But hey, maybe I'm wrong and they are not aware. So, if they read this, I hope they try offering 1 of each poster to any 10C member who purchases tickets to the show when tickets are purchased. Said poster(s) could then be prepackaged in tube for concertgoer to pick up with their tickets. Regular merxh lines for the rest of the standard concert gear. Brilliant! 

That would be PERFECT!!

pjsteelerfan

darwinstheory said:

MickeyMouse said:

Finally some voices of reason 

But hey, maybe I'm wrong and they are not aware. So, if they read this, I hope they try offering 1 of each poster to any 10C member who purchases tickets to the show when tickets are purchased. Said poster(s) could then be prepackaged in tube for concertgoer to pick up with their tickets. Regular merxh lines for the rest of the standard concert gear. Brilliant! 

They did do this, in 2009. Except they were mailed directly to you later.  But when every poster was not an instant classic loved by 100% of the fan club, people complained. A lot.  See- Philadelphia Spectrum.

Tim Simmons

Perfect for us. More work and cost for them. They have to hire additional hands to package the posters. Then it has to be tied to the ticket. Who's handing them out? The ticket people? Then its longer to wait for tickets, plus are the box office people PJ employees or venue employees? Can they pass out posters? No? Then they have to hire people to hand them out. That creates lines of people waiting to pickup. What if a poster has a corner bend from packaging because they had to tube 1200 posters? Are there exchanges? Do they want to handle a complain-y 10c member at the show?  

At the end of the day, it just creates different problems. Yes, the current process isn't great. But if you want the shit, I guess you gotta put the time in. Other than just putting everything up for sale before, during and after in the 10c store (which they'll still have to to hire seasonal employees for the tour times to ship), the current method works. Its time consuming, but the onus of that should be on the fans who want the merch.

Jamer196

Humm, can be like a voucher or like food stamps in Ticket envelops that you convert it to goods at Merchandise, doesn't take more time than it takes now in lines and doesn't cost more to make it happen

Gingerlou77

Yes please to.pre orders. 

RP112579

Everyone wants a pre-order for a poster to the show they're going to, until they see the poster and hate it. Then the bitching and complaining about wanting refunds starts, because they don't want to spend $35 on it anymore. It ultimately becomes just a new thing for people to bitch and complain about.

BigRed21

I'd personally rather pay for a sight unseen poster at $35 to a show that I attended than 5-10-20 times that to a person who purchased posters specifically to work the system and make $ because they know it is in demand.  But I want a poster from every show that I've attended regardless of how ugly it is - see State College 2003, Spectrum shows 2009, etc., so I wouldn't bitch about the $35 + shipping anyway.

Jamer196

BigRed21 said:

I'd personally rather pay for a sight unseen poster at $35 to a show that I attended than 5-10-20 times that to a person who purchased posters specifically to work the system and make $ because they know it is in demand.  But I want a poster from every show that I've attended regardless of how ugly it is - see State College 2003, Spectrum shows 2009, etc., so I wouldn't bitch about the $35 + shipping anyway.

Same, actually this days I prefer it to be ugly for everyone else, more chances I get 1

on2legs

RP112579 said:

Everyone wants a pre-order for a poster to the show they're going to, until they see the poster and hate it. Then the bitching and complaining about wanting refunds starts, because they don't want to spend $35 on it anymore. It ultimately becomes just a new thing for people to bitch and complain about.

This. 

JimNastics

Was it bad again in Prague last night??

Peasant Tents

RP112579 said:

Everyone wants a pre-order for a poster to the show they're going to, until they see the poster and hate it. Then the bitching and complaining about wanting refunds starts, because they don't want to spend $35 on it anymore. It ultimately becomes just a new thing for people to bitch and complain about.

I've got some horrific posters purely because I was at the show. There are some I frame and hang if they're beauties.  If not, I'm just happy to have the souvenir of the show I went to... I cite Amsterdam 2012... Or SBE or Leeds as posters that were not great to the eye but still serve as something I love to look at as a memory of the show...
I guess a lot of other people experience it differently but then they ought to be able to engage brain before buying blind right?!

drakeheuer14

Why do a blind pre-order? Or even make you pick it up at the show? Timed editions are a thing. Release the image the day before and leave it up until the time of the show. Chaos eliminated and all that is asked is a little more effort by 10C

But I must add it would take a little bit of the sentimental value away having it shipped at a later date. But I still like the idea

BigRed21

I realize that this is like politics and one can never really change the mind of someone on the other side, but I think it's easier for a person to get over losing $40-50 for pre-ordering a poster that they don't end up liking or wanting, than having to shell out significantly more than that for a print that they can't get even when standing in line for hours the day of show, only to buy from someone specifically buying the extra posters to make quick cash.  I guess that's where my sense of decency screws me in the end...

smithnic

As someone who willingly buys every poster from shows I attend, I would love to see the 10C offer ticket holding club members to buy the poster sit unseen.  The artists would immediately sell more posters in my opinion (see Fenway lot still available).   You would also limit flippers as 10C members are less likely to flip them as their membership depends on it.    Add the $35 plus shipping option to your tickets

Staney12

I would REALLY like to have the option of getting the posters of the shows I attend. I waited for a few hours in Padova, Rome and Prague to buy a poster. No luck, the sell out within minutes. For sure there is a way of making the whole process more time-saving and fans-friendly..

PJ-Cubs

darwinstheory said:

No madness = less sales
Less sales = more shows to compensate 
More shows = more work/time from home

It is apparent to me that the band is doing things to maximize on their merchandise in order to tour less. They understand many of us are unhappy with it, but we still buy it. The simple fact is, they are a brand/business. Their goal is to make money.

They are fully aware of what DMB does with their posters and fan club tickets. Now I am purely speculating here, but I would highly doubt DMB sells as many posters for their shows. I could be wrong of course.

Alas, after all of the complaints post Wrigley 2013, very little has been done to rectify the issues from our perspective. The band has tried to meet our demands with other types of requests over the years. I remember standing in line for like 2 hours to pick up my 10C tickets at the United Center back in 2008. I believe the last pair I picked up, I waited behind 1 person. However, such a change did not impact anyone's pocket book. The fact that the band has not addressed/responded to these issues in the last 5 years clearly (to me) states that they are quite in favor of the gravy train monster they have created; known as merchandise. And while I hope for changes to the program, I do not expect them and I do not blame the band. It would only change if we were to band together and not buy the stuff/walk past the long lines.

I think 10C heard the complaints after 2013.  They printed significantly more posters for both Wrigley and Fenway in 2016.  That was a big win for people who wanted a poster from the shows.