One Guns n' Roses ticket cost me almost the same amt as all four PJ Fenway and Wrigley Shows

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  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 14,387
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • bobby dazzlersbobby dazzlers Posts: 1,766
    Shakescky said:


    november rain was one drop in the bucket of Axl's extreme self indulgence at the time. not only the song itself, but have you seen the video? jumping off an aircraft carrier into an ocean of dolphins? HAHA.

    the music video for "estranged" involved the dolphins. i for one have no problem with the dolphins.
    I had a problem with one of those dolphins!
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 9,941

    Shakescky said:


    november rain was one drop in the bucket of Axl's extreme self indulgence at the time. not only the song itself, but have you seen the video? jumping off an aircraft carrier into an ocean of dolphins? HAHA.

    the music video for "estranged" involved the dolphins. i for one have no problem with the dolphins.
    I had a problem with one of those dolphins!
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  • pearlgirl52pearlgirl52 At a Pearl Jam show, hopefully.Posts: 627
    The 80's is probably my least favorite decade of music actually, not to say there wasn't plenty of good music that came out of that decade (ie Metallica, U2, REM, etc), but GnR is a standout. And no, I wasn't even alive in the 80's, hell I wasn't alive the first 5 years of Pearl Jam's career either. Yet that's the music that has had a bigger impact on me than anything that was going on in the music scene during my youth. If songs like "Civil War", "Sweet Child O Mine", "Patience", "You Could be Mine" are considered "hair metal" or whatever people are calling it, then I'm not embarrassed to say I like hair bands! Cheers, everyone!
  • TJ25487TJ25487 Posts: 1,098
    My 2 cents: GNR is not a hair band. If anything they should be classified as classic rock like AC/DC etc. Their Appetite for Destruction album was groundbreaking similar to PJ's Ten and then they made good follow up's with Use your IIlusions 1 & 2 and that's about it.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon In My PlacePosts: 19,269
    Spaghetti Incident is actually my favourite record of theirs. mainly because it shows their influences. no hair band would have recorded punk classics like they did. Cinderella and Fastere Pussycat wouldn't even have known who those artists were.
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  • High Fidelity 2000High Fidelity 2000 New Mexico USAPosts: 4,341
    edited April 2016

    So the impressions that people got of GNR at the time are irrelevant, but the impression someone has 20 years after the fact IS somehow relevant?

    That's some pretty awesome logic right there.

    PJ_Soul said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    DewieCox said:

    You've mentioned the things they have in common with hair metal and those comparisons have been rejected across the board. Bottom line, when most of us listen to the music we don't hear the musical comparisons you're making. About every band is subject to the times when it comes to their image.

    The lyrical content and their offstage behavior isn't all that different from bands like AIC or Nirvana or PJ. If you think those 90s guys weren't partying their asses off, then your naivety is alarming. Axl was writing about the negatives of the junkie lifestyle and had a lot of political lyrics and much darker themes than the bands you're trying to compare to, He wasn't writing Girls,Girls, Girls...he was writing My Michelle.

    Nobody is getting butthurt, but it can be annoying when you lay out facts and they're dismissed by someone that claims to want an open discussion.

    So they don't fall into the hair band tropes of high falsetto singing, screeching powerful guitar solos, unremarkable (comparatively) rhythm section and a party image/ frequent song theme???

    Dude. Why are you so hell bent on trying to classify music into silos? Who cares if GNR is a "hair band" hard rock, or whatever. They made some kick ass music during their run and lots of people loved it and still do. So does it matter if they where this type of band or that type of band? If you want to use your logic, PJ, Radiohead, and Tool could be classifield as "arena rock" since they only play arenas and large festivals thus placing them in the same category of music as Journey, Def Leppard and KISS. And at the end of the day; who cares what it's called. Just like all others forms of art there's stuff you like and stuff you don't.

    As for the impact of Appetite and GNR, for me it opened up a whole new world of music. I was 11 when it came out. An aunt who was maybe 20-21 at the time found my stashed dubbed copy of Appetite while visiting. (I grew up in a very religious household in a small rural town so GNR was clearly the work of the devil and thus banished from the home so I had to stash my copy I got from a friend's older brother inside of the box spring of my bed.) She then introduced me to Zepplin, Sabbath, and Metallica. I then discovered the Misfits and punk. That album opened up a lot of musically doors for me.
    For the same reason people are so hell bent on classifying them out of a particular solo...I have an opinion and I think it's right :tongue:

    Seriously though, labels can be uncomfortable for those put into them, but I disagree with the general desire nowadays to avoid classifying anything. Putting things in certain classes allows for comparison and dissection of the patterns and characteristics that define them.
    Blind Melon was just another '90s wannabe hippie band no different from the Spin Doctors. Both had awesome bass players, both had members w/ long hair. Both wrote catchy radio friendly tunes. There you go.
    :get_outta_here: Oh my god, you're being facetious, yes? I believe and hope so! :lol: ;)
    Of course I'm being facetious, we all know Spin Doctors had more influence on '90s alt rock than GNR and Blind Melon combined.

    : )
    Hey I LIKE the Spin Doctors more than GNR and Blind Melon. Their singer is obviously the weak link but as a core 3 piece band, they were a tight jammy unit. They put out a blues album a couple years ago and it's not bad.

    And PS: GNR not a hair band. Just because they had big hair in the first video. Their music is too heavy to be a hair band.
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  • HobbesHobbes Pacific NorthwestPosts: 4,212
    edited April 2016
    The PJC metal heads have declared Appetite one of the best heavy metal albums all time, in fact, it cracked the top 10. It's over in Other Music..... you're welcome.
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,040
    edited April 2016

    Spaghetti Incident is actually my favourite record of theirs. mainly because it shows their influences. no hair band would have recorded punk classics like they did. Cinderella and Fastere Pussycat wouldn't even have known who those artists were.

    The Spaghetti Incident also contains covers of songs by the New York Dolls and their frontman Johnny Thunder – largely considered the godfathers of glam (and a major influence on a band like Faster Pussycat).
    Like I said before, people will go out of their way to convince others that the 80s bands they like shouldn’t be considered hair metal, when hair metal is pretty much the same as grunge: an awkward genre of diverse hard rock bands with a wide range of influences, lumped together by record company marketers because of their clothes and hairstyles - clothes and hairstyles that were a product of the time period as much as any attempt to be part of a movement...at least for the first one or two ‘waves’ of each genre, before those same marketers start scraping the bottom of the barrel to milk every penny from their creation's popularity. There are a ton of derivative imitators in both genres, with a limited number of talented artists driving the trends.
    Hair metal evolved from 70’s glam, incorporating punk, pop, and classic (blues) rock influences – many of the same influences members of PJ and other 90's bands would claim later on.
  • rummyrummy Ontario, CanadaPosts: 3,100
    Aerosmith has got to fit in here somewhere!
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  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of foreverPosts: 19,985
    rummy said:

    Aerosmith has got to fit in here somewhere!

    Nope, I would have to draw the line with them.


    :whistle:
  • glennb2112glennb2112 memphisPosts: 247
    edited April 2016
    Ehh Guns and Roses had one epic album a singer who could have transended music but let his ego get in the way. 15 years ago was their time. No thanks.
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  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 14,387
    hedonist said:

    rummy said:

    Aerosmith has got to fit in here somewhere!

    Nope, I would have to draw the line with them.


    :whistle:
    Yeah, you'd be the last child to support that notion.

    Some folks here have certainly got some toys in the attic, though.

    Me, I let the music do the talking.
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 9,941
    hedonist said:

    rummy said:

    Aerosmith has got to fit in here somewhere!

    Nope, I would have to draw the line with them.


    :whistle:
    Get a grip, man.
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  • lolobugglolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNSPosts: 7,848
    Poncier said:

    hedonist said:

    rummy said:

    Aerosmith has got to fit in here somewhere!

    Nope, I would have to draw the line with them.


    :whistle:
    Get a grip, man.
    But none of you are looking at the Other Side of this....
    GNR are Back in the Saddle after 20+ years.
    tickets are gonna be expensive.

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  • Poncier said:

    hedonist said:

    rummy said:

    Aerosmith has got to fit in here somewhere!

    Nope, I would have to draw the line with them.


    :whistle:
    Get a grip, man.
    These comments really got me living on the edge...
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,777

    Poncier said:

    hedonist said:

    rummy said:

    Aerosmith has got to fit in here somewhere!

    Nope, I would have to draw the line with them.


    :whistle:
    Get a grip, man.
    These comments really got me living on the edge...
    :rofl:

    (I like Aerosmith!)
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon In My PlacePosts: 19,269

    Spaghetti Incident is actually my favourite record of theirs. mainly because it shows their influences. no hair band would have recorded punk classics like they did. Cinderella and Fastere Pussycat wouldn't even have known who those artists were.

    The Spaghetti Incident also contains covers of songs by the New York Dolls and their frontman Johnny Thunder – largely considered the godfathers of glam (and a major influence on a band like Faster Pussycat).
    Like I said before, people will go out of their way to convince others that the 80s bands they like shouldn’t be considered hair metal, when hair metal is pretty much the same as grunge: an awkward genre of diverse hard rock bands with a wide range of influences, lumped together by record company marketers because of their clothes and hairstyles - clothes and hairstyles that were a product of the time period as much as any attempt to be part of a movement...at least for the first one or two ‘waves’ of each genre, before those same marketers start scraping the bottom of the barrel to milk every penny from their creation's popularity. There are a ton of derivative imitators in both genres, with a limited number of talented artists driving the trends.
    Hair metal evolved from 70’s glam, incorporating punk, pop, and classic (blues) rock influences – many of the same influences members of PJ and other 90's bands would claim later on.
    of course everything evolves from everything before it, but the 80's hair bands are nowhere near what the NYD were. those bands are more of a parody of them.

    hey, I listened to hair metal back in the day. many of my friends listen to "hair nation" like it's a fucking religion. I don't like all grunge bands, but I know this: almost all hair metal had a formula. grunge bands, while having the some of the same tonality, actually sounded different from each other.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon In My PlacePosts: 19,269
    I think a lot of people on here would have nothing to do with Mother Love Bone if they didn't have the PJ connection. Just sayin'. I know I don't like MLB.
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  • I think a lot of people on here would have nothing to do with Mother Love Bone if they didn't have the PJ connection. Just sayin'. I know I don't like MLB.

    I think that's truth. I dug in after falling in love with PJ and love them. The only related project I don't like is Green River. Ugh. Not that great.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 3,580

    I think a lot of people on here would have nothing to do with Mother Love Bone if they didn't have the PJ connection. Just sayin'. I know I don't like MLB.

    Yup

  • pearlgirl52pearlgirl52 At a Pearl Jam show, hopefully.Posts: 627
    Hey now, I see everyones point about not liking MLB if it weren't for PJ, however, I would never say I like something just because it has to do with PJ. I [email protected]#king love MLB. I might not have discovered them without PJ, but that's it. I love the music I love because it's subjective... I discovered it on my own. Not because my parent or boyfriend got me into them. I don't pretend to like anything for anyone elses benefit. I got myself into them. And I don't give a [email protected] what anyone else says about what I love! Now back to GnR...
  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of foreverPosts: 19,985

    Poncier said:

    hedonist said:

    rummy said:

    Aerosmith has got to fit in here somewhere!

    Nope, I would have to draw the line with them.


    :whistle:
    Get a grip, man.
    These comments really got me living on the edge...
    Too much! No more, no more...

    I think Slash kicks ass in terms of talent. Would LOVE to see him and McCready go to town together.

    (not in that way)
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  • RKCNDYRKCNDY Seattle, WAPosts: 31,013
    hedonist said:

    Poncier said:

    hedonist said:

    rummy said:

    Aerosmith has got to fit in here somewhere!

    Nope, I would have to draw the line with them.


    :whistle:
    Get a grip, man.
    These comments really got me living on the edge...
    Too much! No more, no more...

    I think Slash kicks ass in terms of talent. Would LOVE to see him and McCready go to town together.

    (not in that way)
    No love in an elevator?
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  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of foreverPosts: 19,985
    RKCNDY said:

    hedonist said:

    Poncier said:

    hedonist said:

    rummy said:

    Aerosmith has got to fit in here somewhere!

    Nope, I would have to draw the line with them.


    :whistle:
    Get a grip, man.
    These comments really got me living on the edge...
    Too much! No more, no more...

    I think Slash kicks ass in terms of talent. Would LOVE to see him and McCready go to town together.

    (not in that way)
    No love in an elevator?
    Pfft! Like the mile-high club - same old story, same old song and dance.

    (my friend :) )
  • mwplummwplum Posts: 1,356
    I was able to get PIT tickets today for the Seattle show in the Live Nation App presale!!! Couldn't resist, have been waiting so long for this! Guess I could change the title of this thread to "2 GnR tickets have cost me the same amount as 8 PJ shows -- MSG x2 , Philly x2 , 2 Fenway, and 2 Wrigley"

    Thankfully I didn't go to hardly any shows last year, so there's money saved for going to 14 PJ shows this year and GnR in Seattle. Will definitely have a good pair to sell now for Seattle.

    Love how this thread has evolved. Very interesting and comical takes.

    PS: TOUR STARTS TOMORROW!!! Can't wait to see posters and set lists up til Lexington and shows after that!
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,777

    I think a lot of people on here would have nothing to do with Mother Love Bone if they didn't have the PJ connection. Just sayin'. I know I don't like MLB.

    I agree, and I don't like MLB either. I've always found the very extreme fondness for that band among PJ fans somewhat perplexing. They were okay at best.
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  • wndowpaynewndowpayne Posts: 1,042

    DewieCox said:

    rgambs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    rgambs said:

    DewieCox said:

    rgambs said:


    rgambs said:

    If November Rain isn't a classic power ballad, then there is no such thing!

    Again, I am not saying GNR sucks, they can be very entertaining and some Slash licks are immortally good...
    But let's take the rose-tinted glasses off and be real about who and what they were, and how they fit into the musical landscape of their time.

    Honest question: if you weren't there for it, as it was happening, how would you have any sort of perspective for how they fit into the musical landscape of their time? How can you 'be real about who and what they were' if you weren't around to see how they compared to everything else on the radio in 1986?

    You're entitled to your opinion, as I'm entitled to mine, and if you think a band like Blind Melon had more influence on '90s alternative music than GNR, I feel like you're the one wearing the rose colored glasses. (Bear in mind, I'm a fan of Blind Melon too)

    (Fun fact: did you know Shannon Hoon was a backup singer for GNR before Blind Melon got their break? Maybe GNR were more influential on your music than you realize.)
    It's called objectivity. Hindsight is very nice for seeing things as they WERE without the bias that is inherited from experiencing how they were PERCEIVED at the time.
    They were definitely a step in the right direction, and a huge influence on the music scene that was coming, but they weren't that scene, they were the last glorious blast of the old scene.
    No, it's really not and youve shown an insane amount of bias to even try to to declare that.

    I was 5-10 years old during GnR's heyday so I don't really have that nostalgic connection from that time period. I have listened to their music and grown to appreciate it in my own time and I just don't hear the comparisons you're trying to make. They're just not there. From the music, to the lyrical content, to their image....it's much closer to 90s bands than the hair/glam metal guys. Sure, it had some 80s flair to it, but so did a lot of the other guys that are now early 90s alt rock heroes.
    I have articulated many things which are more similar to "hair" than "grunge", but the only argument that has been posed to articulate the difference between GNR and the hair bands is that they were more raw.
    That is a quantitative argument, not qualitative.
    What quality does GNR have that is different from the hair bands?
    As an example, Radiohead abandoned the hard rock power guitar cliche for haunting melodies and a stripped down style. Nirvana abandoned the excessive party ethos for a more ascetic rock ethic, and they stripped the formula down to a 3 man distortion machine.
    Those are qualitative differences, saying GNR was rawer and more explosive is a quantitative difference. They shared the dangerous, party hard, rock n roll mentality, with the classic hair band components (screeching vocals and guitar leads).
    To say they were heavier, drawer, more dangerous, etc only makes them the best hair band, it doesn't set them apart.

    I don't hate GNR, I don't see why we can't have a discussion about their music without people getting so butthurt.
    I have to agree that you're just off on this. I know it's your opinion, but it's wrong. GnR wasn't simply like the hair bands but more raw. They were something completely different altogether, and one of the things that made them that was that they were more raw. But that was far from the only thing. Lol, no worries, not butt hurt. ;) But I'm just getting the impression that you're not quite clear on what they were like or what kind of impression they made at the time. I guess it's all collectively been said in this thread, so no need to go over it again... just sayin', really. They simply were not a hair band. They DEFINITELY were not the last hurrah of the hair bands as you suggest. They were the beginning of something different, not the end of something old.
    But what can you point to besides an intangible feeling, that separates them?

    What kind of impression they made at the time doesn't seem relevant to me, impressions are often wrong.
    Their sound, substance and style. They don't sound like a hair band, they don't write songs the same way as a hair band and they don't look anymore like a hair band than your typical rocker of the day.

    If we're gonna dismiss the impression they made at the time, then nothing means anything at all. It's really a ludicrous argument. Not only that, plenty of people who are much older and younger are taking the same stance as people that were 15-24 in 1987.






    But jesus, I listened to Coma on repeat for an entire day. fucking brilliant piece of music.
    Saw them in 91 before the discs were released..Greensboro,NC..3 1/2 hour show..incredible honestly..they did Coma and it was amazing...explained by Axl that it was written before Appetite was released and he was indeed contemplating suicide..
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  • FoxyRedLaFoxyRedLa Lauren / MIPosts: 4,799
    What love of MLB are we talking about? A little Chloe and Crown love?
    Oh please let it rain today.
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