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Pete Townshend on ISIS in Rolling Stone

Rolling Stone: While we're on the subject, when you look at ISIS and Boko Haram — and even what Putin has been up to, to some extent — do you worry about the state of the planet?

Pete Townshend: Not as long as we remember. [Laughs] You know, I am not going to get fucking accused of being a neocon by Arianna Huffington again, that dimwitted woman. [Editor's note: Huffington herself didn't call Townshend a "neocon"; he was described as that in a 2012 piece on the Huffington Post.] But I do think it's very important that we keep our ammunition ready. I do feel there is nothing to worry about as long as we're willing to protect ourselves.

Had America not interceded in World War II, Germany would have taken over the whole of Europe. I think the most important thing is that we remember that. But also remember that we don't need to act until this shit comes to our door. When that happens, whether it comes to our door in a Charlie Hebdo scenario or in a 9/11 scenario, we need to keep calm and to honor our own sense of values and justice and law and the way that we want to live.

RS: Are you able to understand why a young person in America or the U.K. would go join ISIS?

PT: I'm not particularly politically well-grounded, but from 1967 to the mid-Seventies, I was following Meher Baba and also considering joining a Sufi order. It's not exactly Islam, but it's very close. I kind of understand what they mean when they talk about what jihad is, but I don't see how it helps anybody. I don't see how it helps the people in the countries in which they live. They're getting to a point where the so-called caliphate will be run by a bunch of bullies, basically. But then, I've seen this before — in my lifetime, I grew up with bullies at school, I grew up with bullies in the Sea Scouts, I grew up with bullies in my band!

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/whos-done-pete-townshends-ambivalent-farewell-20150507

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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    What???????
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    You guys going to pressure Eddie not to play with Pete on Thursday? Pete's line on "keeping our ammunition ready" is certainly sounding a little hawkish, no? You guys can't let Eddie endorse this line of thinking by playing a concert with him can you?

  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    BS44325 said:

    You guys going to pressure Eddie not to play with Pete on Thursday? Pete's line on "keeping our ammunition ready" is certainly sounding a little hawkish, no? You guys can't let Eddie endorse this line of thinking by playing a concert with him can you?

    You do know Ed's close friend is a die hard conservative right? Well, he was until he died. And I think you've read way to much into Petes interview. Way too much.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,602
    badbrains said:

    What???????

    My biggest take away is the honor the values and how we want to live. To me that means as close to the best of what we can be and the ideals this country promotes. Even if we fail time and again to live them now.

    to a large degree our ongoing actions and policies help in a great way to perpetuate and grow what we have seen. in my lifetime anyway.

    aside from him willing to give his opinion as it was asked for( i agree with most of it), who really gives a fuck what an individual musician says. Especially one not a citizen of THIS country.
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  • badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    You guys going to pressure Eddie not to play with Pete on Thursday? Pete's line on "keeping our ammunition ready" is certainly sounding a little hawkish, no? You guys can't let Eddie endorse this line of thinking by playing a concert with him can you?

    You do know Ed's close friend is a die hard conservative right? Well, he was until he died. And I think you've read way to much into Petes interview. Way too much.
    it blows me away that people keep forgetting this. if there's anyone that appreciates open political dialogue and doesn't segregate himself from "the other side", it seems to be Ed.

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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    if Rollingstone interviewed...say myself, HFD, or Gimmi or anyone of us, would our idea's affect the way this world is changing or the direction it's heading(no comments please I know my popularty for ideas is low on the scale here hahhahah), just because a person plays,writes and lives music doesn't make him or thier ideas any better than or worse than mine or yours...but than again look at what happened when Hollywood backed obama.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    does this mans opinion have the juice to elect a president ? I think not.

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/05/11/duck-dynasty-stars-think-bobby-jindal-should-run-for-in-2016/?intcmp=features

    Godfather.
  • if Rollingstone interviewed...say myself, HFD, or Gimmi or anyone of us, would our idea's affect the way this world is changing or the direction it's heading(no comments please I know my popularty for ideas is low on the scale here hahhahah), just because a person plays,writes and lives music doesn't make him or thier ideas any better than or worse than mine or yours...but than again look at what happened when Hollywood backed obama.

    Godfather.

    people should never follow someone's ideas merely because they are a celebrity, be it Ed, Johnny Ramone, Michael Moore, Paris Hilton, or Charlton Heston. what it is useful about celebrities stating their views, is that it can often ignite meaningful discussion where there may not have been a spark previously.

    unfortunately, more often than not, it seems the only people who realize this are the ones who are already in tune enough to understand the issues already enough to have made up their own mind.

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  • InHiding80InHiding80 Posts: 7,623

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    You guys going to pressure Eddie not to play with Pete on Thursday? Pete's line on "keeping our ammunition ready" is certainly sounding a little hawkish, no? You guys can't let Eddie endorse this line of thinking by playing a concert with him can you?

    You do know Ed's close friend is a die hard conservative right? Well, he was until he died. And I think you've read way to much into Petes interview. Way too much.
    it blows me away that people keep forgetting this. if there's anyone that appreciates open political dialogue and doesn't segregate himself from "the other side", it seems to be Ed.

    Proof that politics comes 2nd to music. Frankly, as long as that person isn't right of Cheney or left of Chomsky, I really don't give a shit.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    You guys going to pressure Eddie not to play with Pete on Thursday? Pete's line on "keeping our ammunition ready" is certainly sounding a little hawkish, no? You guys can't let Eddie endorse this line of thinking by playing a concert with him can you?

    You do know Ed's close friend is a die hard conservative right? Well, he was until he died. And I think you've read way to much into Petes interview. Way too much.
    Just like you read way too much into Eddie's No War speech?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,028
    BS44325 said:

    Pete Townshend on ISIS in Rolling Stone

    Rolling Stone: While we're on the subject, when you look at ISIS and Boko Haram — and even what Putin has been up to, to some extent — do you worry about the state of the planet?

    Pete Townshend: Not as long as we remember. [Laughs] You know, I am not going to get fucking accused of being a neocon by Arianna Huffington again, that dimwitted woman. [Editor's note: Huffington herself didn't call Townshend a "neocon"; he was described as that in a 2012 piece on the Huffington Post.] But I do think it's very important that we keep our ammunition ready. I do feel there is nothing to worry about as long as we're willing to protect ourselves.

    Had America not interceded in World War II, Germany would have taken over the whole of Europe. I think the most important thing is that we remember that. But also remember that we don't need to act until this shit comes to our door. When that happens, whether it comes to our door in a Charlie Hebdo scenario or in a 9/11 scenario, we need to keep calm and to honor our own sense of values and justice and law and the way that we want to live.

    RS: Are you able to understand why a young person in America or the U.K. would go join ISIS?

    PT: I'm not particularly politically well-grounded, but from 1967 to the mid-Seventies, I was following Meher Baba and also considering joining a Sufi order. It's not exactly Islam, but it's very close. I kind of understand what they mean when they talk about what jihad is, but I don't see how it helps anybody. I don't see how it helps the people in the countries in which they live. They're getting to a point where the so-called caliphate will be run by a bunch of bullies, basically. But then, I've seen this before — in my lifetime, I grew up with bullies at school, I grew up with bullies in the Sea Scouts, I grew up with bullies in my band!

    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/whos-done-pete-townshends-ambivalent-farewell-20150507

    I'm not sure what you took from Pete's interview but here's what I took: stay strong, be ready and don't get involved until you're threatened. There's always been bullies, there will always be bullies and here we are. Life goes on.

    Not every pronouncement that mentions Islam is a call to wage war in the interests of "security."
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    Which skit is funnier Canada or the USA version?

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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    You guys going to pressure Eddie not to play with Pete on Thursday? Pete's line on "keeping our ammunition ready" is certainly sounding a little hawkish, no? You guys can't let Eddie endorse this line of thinking by playing a concert with him can you?

    You do know Ed's close friend is a die hard conservative right? Well, he was until he died. And I think you've read way to much into Petes interview. Way too much.
    Just like you read way too much into Eddie's No War speech?
    Ah, his speech was pretty fucken clear in Milton keys. So clear that he got death threats to him and his family from people in that country you love so much. Remember? Or is your selective amnesia at work again?
  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,150
    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    You guys going to pressure Eddie not to play with Pete on Thursday? Pete's line on "keeping our ammunition ready" is certainly sounding a little hawkish, no? You guys can't let Eddie endorse this line of thinking by playing a concert with him can you?

    You do know Ed's close friend is a die hard conservative right? Well, he was until he died. And I think you've read way to much into Petes interview. Way too much.
    Just like you read way too much into Eddie's No War speech?
    Ah, his speech was pretty fucken clear in Milton keys. So clear that he got death threats to him and his family from people in that country you love so much. Remember? Or is your selective amnesia at work again?
    I heard nothing of death threats to him and his family... Where'd you see this?
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    benjs said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    You guys going to pressure Eddie not to play with Pete on Thursday? Pete's line on "keeping our ammunition ready" is certainly sounding a little hawkish, no? You guys can't let Eddie endorse this line of thinking by playing a concert with him can you?

    You do know Ed's close friend is a die hard conservative right? Well, he was until he died. And I think you've read way to much into Petes interview. Way too much.
    Just like you read way too much into Eddie's No War speech?
    Ah, his speech was pretty fucken clear in Milton keys. So clear that he got death threats to him and his family from people in that country you love so much. Remember? Or is your selective amnesia at work again?
    I heard nothing of death threats to him and his family... Where'd you see this?
    They were all over that FB page created to bring pearl jam to Israel. I believe Jerusalem post posted the article and some of the threats.
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Shit, the dude from one direction tweeted freepalestine and received death threats from there. It happens
  • InHiding80InHiding80 Posts: 7,623
    edited May 2015
    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    You guys going to pressure Eddie not to play with Pete on Thursday? Pete's line on "keeping our ammunition ready" is certainly sounding a little hawkish, no? You guys can't let Eddie endorse this line of thinking by playing a concert with him can you?

    You do know Ed's close friend is a die hard conservative right? Well, he was until he died. And I think you've read way to much into Petes interview. Way too much.
    Just like you read way too much into Eddie's No War speech?
    Ah, his speech was pretty fucken clear in Milton keys. So clear that he got death threats to him and his family from people in that country you love so much. Remember? Or is your selective amnesia at work again?
    It's not so much selective amnesia but "GOP=above the law because I say so, derp!" He has nothing to offer but slippery slope strawman posts.
    Post edited by InHiding80 on
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    You guys going to pressure Eddie not to play with Pete on Thursday? Pete's line on "keeping our ammunition ready" is certainly sounding a little hawkish, no? You guys can't let Eddie endorse this line of thinking by playing a concert with him can you?

    You do know Ed's close friend is a die hard conservative right? Well, he was until he died. And I think you've read way to much into Petes interview. Way too much.
    Just like you read way too much into Eddie's No War speech?
    Ah, his speech was pretty fucken clear in Milton keys. So clear that he got death threats to him and his family from people in that country you love so much. Remember? Or is your selective amnesia at work again?
    It's not so much selective amnesia but "GOP=above the law because I say so, derp!" He has nothing to offer but slippery slope strawman posts.
    Hahaha, true
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    badbrains said:

    Shit, the dude from one direction tweeted freepalestine and received death threats from there. It happens

    And yet One Direction is scheduled to play Israel? What gives?

  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    Shit, the dude from one direction tweeted freepalestine and received death threats from there. It happens

    And yet One Direction is scheduled to play Israel? What gives?

    Not with that guy, he quit.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    Shit, the dude from one direction tweeted freepalestine and received death threats from there. It happens

    And yet One Direction is scheduled to play Israel? What gives?

    Not with that guy, he quit.
    What?! He was the best one!
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    Shit, the dude from one direction tweeted freepalestine and received death threats from there. It happens

    And yet One Direction is scheduled to play Israel? What gives?

    Not with that guy, he quit.
    What?! He was the best one!
    I'm sure you can find him on social media and tell him of the love you have for him.
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