Chicago 'black site' story

Kat

The disappeared: Chicago police detain Americans at abuse-laden 'black site'

-- Exclusive: Secret interrogation facility reveals aspects of war on terror in US
-- ‘They disappeared us’: protester details 17-hour shackling without basic rights
-- Accounts describe police brutality, missing 15-year-old and one man’s death

While US military and intelligence interrogation impacted people overseas, Homan Square – said to house military-style vehicles and even a cage – focuses on American citizens, most often poor, black and brown. ‘When you go in,’ Brian Jacob Church told the Guardian, ‘nobody knows what happened to you.’ Video: Phil Batta for the Guardian; editing: Mae Ryan

by Spencer Ackerman in Chicago @attackerman

Tuesday 24 February 2015 10.33 EST Last modified on Tuesday 24 February 2015 11.55 EST

The Chicago police department operates an off-the-books interrogation compound, rendering Americans unable to be found by family or attorneys while locked inside what lawyers say is the domestic equivalent of a CIA black site.

The facility, a nondescript warehouse on Chicago’s west side known as Homan Square, has long been the scene of secretive work by special police units. Interviews with local attorneys and one protester who spent the better part of a day shackled in Homan Square describe operations that deny access to basic constitutional rights.

Alleged police practices at Homan Square, according to those familiar with the facility who spoke out to the Guardian after its investigation into Chicago police abuse, include:

Article continued at http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site

badbrains

Isn't muskydan a ChicagoPD? Maybe he can shed some light on this matter.

muskydan

Kat said:

The disappeared: Chicago police detain Americans at abuse-laden 'black site'

-- Exclusive: Secret interrogation facility reveals aspects of war on terror in US
-- ‘They disappeared us’: protester details 17-hour shackling without basic rights
-- Accounts describe police brutality, missing 15-year-old and one man’s death

While US military and intelligence interrogation impacted people overseas, Homan Square – said to house military-style vehicles and even a cage – focuses on American citizens, most often poor, black and brown. ‘When you go in,’ Brian Jacob Church told the Guardian, ‘nobody knows what happened to you.’ Video: Phil Batta for the Guardian; editing: Mae Ryan

by Spencer Ackerman in Chicago @attackerman

Tuesday 24 February 2015 10.33 EST Last modified on Tuesday 24 February 2015 11.55 EST

The Chicago police department operates an off-the-books interrogation compound, rendering Americans unable to be found by family or attorneys while locked inside what lawyers say is the domestic equivalent of a CIA black site.

The facility, a nondescript warehouse on Chicago’s west side known as Homan Square, has long been the scene of secretive work by special police units. Interviews with local attorneys and one protester who spent the better part of a day shackled in Homan Square describe operations that deny access to basic constitutional rights.

Alleged police practices at Homan Square, according to those familiar with the facility who spoke out to the Guardian after its investigation into Chicago police abuse, include:

Article continued at http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site

And???? I truely am surprised my ultra accepting to the max city has something like this. My thoughts...they better fucking have shit like this. I have been in homan square hundreds of times for various reasons and never seen anything remotely like described above, but as I said I hope they do. I also hope the knuckleheads who threw plastic bags full of shit and piss on me and my team ended up there when we rounded up a few protesters at NATO a few years back for failure to disperse after a lawful order was given.
I hate to say it, but the biggest Midwest city has not been hit yet by a major terrorist event. I feel it's only a matter of time. Especially with all the high profile events that take place downtown....lollapoloza, all big concerts at Soldier Field, Obama visits, huge trade shows...you name it. And before eveyone gets their panties in a bunch, I am NOT for torturing prisoners and the like, but interrogations are esential to any investigation.... Especially in the murder cases I have been involved in and any sort of terror investigations that happen.

rgambs

It's typical for police to champion suspension of civil liberties just like this

muskydan said:

Kat said:

The disappeared: Chicago police detain Americans at abuse-laden 'black site'

-- Exclusive: Secret interrogation facility reveals aspects of war on terror in US
-- ‘They disappeared us’: protester details 17-hour shackling without basic rights
-- Accounts describe police brutality, missing 15-year-old and one man’s death

While US military and intelligence interrogation impacted people overseas, Homan Square – said to house military-style vehicles and even a cage – focuses on American citizens, most often poor, black and brown. ‘When you go in,’ Brian Jacob Church told the Guardian, ‘nobody knows what happened to you.’ Video: Phil Batta for the Guardian; editing: Mae Ryan

by Spencer Ackerman in Chicago @attackerman

Tuesday 24 February 2015 10.33 EST Last modified on Tuesday 24 February 2015 11.55 EST

The Chicago police department operates an off-the-books interrogation compound, rendering Americans unable to be found by family or attorneys while locked inside what lawyers say is the domestic equivalent of a CIA black site.

The facility, a nondescript warehouse on Chicago’s west side known as Homan Square, has long been the scene of secretive work by special police units. Interviews with local attorneys and one protester who spent the better part of a day shackled in Homan Square describe operations that deny access to basic constitutional rights.

Alleged police practices at Homan Square, according to those familiar with the facility who spoke out to the Guardian after its investigation into Chicago police abuse, include:

Article continued at http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site

And???? I truely am surprised my ultra accepting to the max city has something like this. My thoughts...they better fucking have shit like this. I have been in homan square hundreds of times for various reasons and never seen anything remotely like described above, but as I said I hope they do. I also hope the knuckleheads who threw plastic bags full of shit and piss on me and my team ended up there when we rounded up a few protesters at NATO a few years back for failure to disperse after a lawful order was given.
I hate to say it, but the biggest Midwest city has not been hit yet by a major terrorist event. I feel it's only a matter of time. Especially with all the high profile events that take place downtown....lollapoloza, all big concerts at Soldier Field, Obama visits, huge trade shows...you name it. And before eveyone gets their panties in a bunch, I am NOT for torturing prisoners and the like, but interrogations are esential to any investigation.... Especially in the murder cases I have been involved in and any sort of terror investigations that happen.

And then cops have the naivety to wonder why people don't trust them??

rgambs

I also find it hilarious that you are so openly hypocritical. You have contempt for "Emperor Obama" for circumventing the constitution in attempts to keep the government functioning and yet here you are supporting the outright denial of basic constitutional rights to citizens of the USA.
Why? Because you are mad that they threw feces and you want retribution?
That is not the sort of ideals people want in agents of the government authorized to use bodily force.

Jason P

Musky, I really hope you are just pretending to be a police officer.

muskydan

Look guys, don't make this interesting topic about me. I responded cause I am familiar w/ that building and been in it countless of times not seeing anything remotely like that. Being the police we are not allowed to express our opinions about stuff while in uniform or on the job. I have said this before, making comments on here is one of the few outlets I have a voice in the worlds problems. I would think that a opinion that is completely different than 95% of the people on here would be welcome instead of the typical circle jerk sessions I always read on here. Perhaps I should not have shared some of the "experiences" on the job I have had, so that is on me and I am sorry I have offended people. Although all my friends (many very liberal) all want to here "stories" whenever I see them...the more fucked up the better for them. My opinions like others on here I hope are formed by what I see with my own eyes and not from a silly blog or website. Party On...

badbrains

Wow

josevolution

I'm glad Muskydan always shows his true colors .....

benjs

muskydan said:

Look guys, don't make this interesting topic about me. I responded cause I am familiar w/ that building and been in it countless of times not seeing anything remotely like that. Being the police we are not allowed to express our opinions about stuff while in uniform or on the job. I have said this before, making comments on here is one of the few outlets I have a voice in the worlds problems. I would think that a opinion that is completely different than 95% of the people on here would be welcome instead of the typical circle jerk sessions I always read on here. Perhaps I should not have shared some of the "experiences" on the job I have had, so that is on me and I am sorry I have offended people. Although all my friends (many very liberal) all want to here "stories" whenever I see them...the more fucked up the better for them. My opinions like others on here I hope are formed by what I see with my own eyes and not from a silly blog or website. Party On...

Dan, I respect this post of yours a lot. Our observations accompanied by our sets of premises aren't any more or less valid than yours, and you absolutely have the right to speak your mind. I disagree with 95% of what you have to say, but this place would be less diverse in the opinions held if you were to stay silent - so thanks for that, honestly!

Godfather.

rgambs said:

I also find it hilarious that you are so openly hypocritical. You have contempt for "Emperor Obama" for circumventing the constitution in attempts to keep the government functioning and yet here you are supporting the outright denial of basic constitutional rights to citizens of the USA.
Why? Because you are mad that they threw feces and you want retribution?
That is not the sort of ideals people want in agents of the government authorized to use bodily force.

are you a cop rgambs ?

Godfather.

rgambs

benjs said:

muskydan said:

Look guys, don't make this interesting topic about me. I responded cause I am familiar w/ that building and been in it countless of times not seeing anything remotely like that. Being the police we are not allowed to express our opinions about stuff while in uniform or on the job. I have said this before, making comments on here is one of the few outlets I have a voice in the worlds problems. I would think that a opinion that is completely different than 95% of the people on here would be welcome instead of the typical circle jerk sessions I always read on here. Perhaps I should not have shared some of the "experiences" on the job I have had, so that is on me and I am sorry I have offended people. Although all my friends (many very liberal) all want to here "stories" whenever I see them...the more fucked up the better for them. My opinions like others on here I hope are formed by what I see with my own eyes and not from a silly blog or website. Party On...

Dan, I respect this post of yours a lot. Our observations accompanied by our sets of premises aren't any more or less valid than yours, and you absolutely have the right to speak your mind. I disagree with 95% of what you have to say, but this place would be less diverse in the opinions held if you were to stay silent - so thanks for that, honestly!

I agree! I may give you a hard time Musky, but I hope you know it's your opinions I disagree with, and not your expression of them! Be who you are, even if I don't like you, damnit I will respect you!

Jason P

rgambs said:

benjs said:

muskydan said:

Look guys, don't make this interesting topic about me. I responded cause I am familiar w/ that building and been in it countless of times not seeing anything remotely like that. Being the police we are not allowed to express our opinions about stuff while in uniform or on the job. I have said this before, making comments on here is one of the few outlets I have a voice in the worlds problems. I would think that a opinion that is completely different than 95% of the people on here would be welcome instead of the typical circle jerk sessions I always read on here. Perhaps I should not have shared some of the "experiences" on the job I have had, so that is on me and I am sorry I have offended people. Although all my friends (many very liberal) all want to here "stories" whenever I see them...the more fucked up the better for them. My opinions like others on here I hope are formed by what I see with my own eyes and not from a silly blog or website. Party On...

Dan, I respect this post of yours a lot. Our observations accompanied by our sets of premises aren't any more or less valid than yours, and you absolutely have the right to speak your mind. I disagree with 95% of what you have to say, but this place would be less diverse in the opinions held if you were to stay silent - so thanks for that, honestly!

I agree! I may give you a hard time Musky, but I hope you know it's your opinions I disagree with, and not your expression of them! Be who you are, even if I don't like you, damnit I will respect you!

mickeyrat

ok, say I agree with you that such a place SHOULD exist, what if a person in custody ( at this place not under arrest?) invoked right to counsel, is that afforded them at this place per the laws of every state in this nation? And what of the constitution? Some might say their persons were under an unreasonable search and seizure.

as for those protesters that have done and will do such things, not sure what interrogation is going to do, simple arrest for assault , or potential assault with intent (given you do not know where such fluids derive or what they may contain) should suffice.

quite a bit of what I have seen reported from various departments is highly unprofessional. Damn shame that those who simply go about doing their jobs with integrity are maligned by such behavior

dignin

I hope that a place like this doesn't exist. But I wouldn't be surprised if it does.

Jason P

I'm one who is prone to throw stones in a glass house. Because I don't like glass houses. Fuck glass houses.

I don't see black and white. I understand the patriot acts purpose. Sometimes you have to dangle someone over a 4 story building to get answers.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gbuf4D1270c

But to have a whole building the size of a city block dedicated to fucking with constitutional rights is messed up. I hope you take some thoughtful consideration into that aspect.

muskydan

mickeyrat said:

ok, say I agree with you that such a place SHOULD exist, what if a person in custody ( at this place not under arrest?) invoked right to counsel, is that afforded them at this place per the laws of every state in this nation? And what of the constitution? Some might say their persons were under an unreasonable search and seizure.

as for those protesters that have done and will do such things, not sure what interrogation is going to do, simple arrest for assault , or potential assault with intent (given you do not know where such fluids derive or what they may contain) should suffice.

quite a bit of what I have seen reported from various departments is highly unprofessional. Damn shame that those who simply go about doing their jobs with integrity are maligned by such behavior

So in Chicago we used to be able to hold people for 72 hours before charging, now its 48 hrs unless you get an extension only issued by a judge…good luck finding one of them Crook County Oxygen thieves at 3am in the mourning. Anyhow, the important language here is you cannot hold someone for a UNREASONABLE amount of time before charges. Once the subject calls for their lawyer the party is over and all questioning stops. Believe it or not, many subjects from my experience are willing to talk to us without requesting a lawyer……You wana know WHY????? Cause that's when a harden criminal knows they are about to be charged and the Deals we like to make to go after the big fish go away when "Better Call Saul" walks in the room.

So if you guys are not familiar with this little darling 22 year old rotten-head Floridian Brian Church, he was part of the NATO 3 who were charged with terrorism. He Was the Biggest DUMMY of them all making statements on the wire of "ready to see a police officer on fire" and a few other statements I can't remember. They were "allegedly" going to throw Molotov Cocktails at Police and various other first responders and politicians during the NATO summit a few summers ago before our boys from intelligence thwarted their chicken shit operation. Intelligence had their eyes on these anarchists for weeks before NATO thank God and were able to infiltrate their operation before any property damage and more importantly major injuries/loss of life could happen. I can only imagine the damage Molotov cocktails would have done to us when we were congregating in groups of 50 or more to control the very large "Peacefull Crowd". Luckily for my city, this was pretty much the biggest incident that happened at NATO and there were no serious injuries reported. The NATO 3 were acquitted of Terrorism charges and convicted of MOB action and possession of incendiary device to commit Arson. They most likely will be free soon coming to a city near you…what a Fucking Country…lol

brianlux

Shackling citizens and taking away their basic rights is not a war on terrorism, it's a war on citizens. If we throw away those basic rights, we throw away a big chunk of what this country is supposedly based on. We become what we once fought against.

badbrains

brianlux said:

Shackling citizens and taking away their basic rights is not a war on terrorism, it's a war on citizens. If we throw away those basic rights, we throw away a big chunk of what this country is supposedly based on. We become what we once fought against.

Stop it, you're making to much sense brian.

rgambs

brianlux said:

Shackling citizens and taking away their basic rights is not a war on terrorism, it's a war on citizens. If we throw away those basic rights, we throw away a big chunk of what this country is supposedly based on. We become what we once fought against.

Personally, I would amend that to say we become what we claim to fight against now!

brianlux

badbrains said:

brianlux said:

Shackling citizens and taking away their basic rights is not a war on terrorism, it's a war on citizens. If we throw away those basic rights, we throw away a big chunk of what this country is supposedly based on. We become what we once fought against.

Stop it, you're making to much sense brian.

Don't know what got in to me, bb!

rgambs said:

brianlux said:

Shackling citizens and taking away their basic rights is not a war on terrorism, it's a war on citizens. If we throw away those basic rights, we throw away a big chunk of what this country is supposedly based on. We become what we once fought against.

Personally, I would amend that to say we become what we claim to fight against now!

Well said, Mr. Gambs!

Indifference71

It's funny how the article paints a picture of this facility being like a CIA "black site" where it's a secret that it even exists. The place isn't a secret at all...this is where the CPD Ballistics lab is and a few other things are housed there. Now if the stuff about people being held there and not getting access to a lawyer is true, that's majorly fucked up.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-guardian-story-met-20150224-story.html

SPEEDY MCCREADY

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CFcQFjAJ&url=http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-82-shot-14-killed-in-chicago-4th-of-july-weekend-shootings/&ei=cR7uVMfkEoaYyASL1YHgCQ&usg=AFQjCNHt-TdFG_bbd6w4Llnh_CQ8Bvprag&bvm=bv.86956481,d.aWw

SPEEDY MCCREADY

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CFEQFjAI&url=http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/04/21/7-dead-37-wounded-in-weekend-shootings/&ei=cR7uVMfkEoaYyASL1YHgCQ&usg=AFQjCNGew39p9f0Nt-PMMQyl2pB9ClAi-Q&bvm=bv.86956481,d.aWw

SPEEDY MCCREADY

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CE0QFjAJ&url=http://homicides.suntimes.com/2015/02/01/police-january-murders-shootings-rise-compared-to-2014/&ei=AR_uVN_zCYn1yASm2YDoAQ&usg=AFQjCNHPJ-TysokIwEw1IGBe2fjIq9y-jg&bvm=bv.86956481,d.aWw


Again.
Please tell me whose rights are being violated in Chicago?
Who exactly is it I am supposed to feel sorry for?

rgambs

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CE0QFjAJ&url=http://homicides.suntimes.com/2015/02/01/police-january-murders-shootings-rise-compared-to-2014/&ei=AR_uVN_zCYn1yASm2YDoAQ&usg=AFQjCNHPJ-TysokIwEw1IGBe2fjIq9y-jg&bvm=bv.86956481,d.aWw


Again.
Please tell me whose rights are being violated in Chicago?
Who exactly is it I am supposed to feel sorry for?

Again, how is a citizen violating the rights of another citizen under penalty of law comparable to an agent of the government violating the rights of a citizen, and doing so with impunity?
Please explain how those two completely different scenarios are the same.

Is a teacher striking a student the same as a student striking a student?

my2hands

if that is a "black site", i am Joe Biden... the Guardian article has a picture of the facility with several openly marked police vehicles in the parking lot with signs clearly identifying it as a police facility

using "black site" sure did help get the article some attention though didnt it? lol

i sure hope they have more than that nato 3 asshole saying he was not allowed access to a lawyer for 17 hours

as far as being shackled... wtf is wrong with actually detaining criminal suspects? should we not handcuff criminals anymore? lol

obviosuly people should have access to legal counsel if requested and nobody should be assaulted... could that possibly happen once in a while in a city that big? obviously... does this happen every day? obviously... the question for me is that behavior systemic at that facility? i highly doubt it

there are good cops and bad cops... there are good teachers and bad teachers... there are good mechanics and bad mechanics... there are good football players and there are bad football players... there are good people and there are bad people... so isolated incidents should not paint any agency with a broad brush of negativity... now if these behaviours are systematic then i have an issue... and i am sorry but this article with their nato3 scumbag as thier star witness does not prove that in anyway to me

seems more like media sensationalism to me... just like the rolling stone rape article... trump it up to get exposure and clicks on your article

Jason P

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CE0QFjAJ&url=http://homicides.suntimes.com/2015/02/01/police-january-murders-shootings-rise-compared-to-2014/&ei=AR_uVN_zCYn1yASm2YDoAQ&usg=AFQjCNHPJ-TysokIwEw1IGBe2fjIq9y-jg&bvm=bv.86956481,d.aWw


Again.
Please tell me whose rights are being violated in Chicago?
Who exactly is it I am supposed to feel sorry for?

Not that this justifies anything, but last January was fucking cold. This year it was relatively mild, thus giving citizens more opportunities to shoot each other.

my2hands

Jason P said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CE0QFjAJ&url=http://homicides.suntimes.com/2015/02/01/police-january-murders-shootings-rise-compared-to-2014/&ei=AR_uVN_zCYn1yASm2YDoAQ&usg=AFQjCNHPJ-TysokIwEw1IGBe2fjIq9y-jg&bvm=bv.86956481,d.aWw


Again.
Please tell me whose rights are being violated in Chicago?
Who exactly is it I am supposed to feel sorry for?

Not that this justifies anything, but last January was fucking cold. This year it was relatively mild, thus giving citizens more opportunities to shoot each other.

you cant be serious

mickeyrat

what were the rates in 2013 and before? It was brutally cold in January last year. we are experiencing some of that this year but not to the extent we saw last year. So it makes complete sense there would be a dip for a brief time period, doesn't it?

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Chicago

Get hot
And get shot!