America's Gun Violence
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For sure.PJ_Soul said:Anti-depressants, anti-anxiety medication, and ADHA meds are actually an extremely common factor amongst mass shooters. I'm talking REALLY common. Like, the vast majority of mass shooters are on something or other in that category, or were at some point (the most compelling studies are the ones that explore the connection between ritalin use as a kid and violent tendencies as adolescents or adults - the Columbine massacre led researchers to explore this). However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the meds are the cause, obviously. Nobody has ever been able to prove that is the case. It simply proves that the vast majority mass shooters have some sort of mental health problem. And that isn't exactly a surprise (and of course that doesn't mean that everyone with mental illness is dangerous. 99% of people with mental illnesses are not violent - I'm sure everyone here knows that already. Also, of course, mental illness does not = insanity. Mental illness is no excuse for committing murder unless we're talking severe mental illnesses that involve delusion and shit).
Do you think that these types of medications are over prescribed?
I had had a family member stop taking them and almost immediately had an event. I wonder how common that type of reaction is.0 -
I am no expert, but I think that Ritalin and other ADHD drugs are overprescribed to children for sure. I also think ADHD is way over-diagnosed in children. I have read studies about the impact of those drugs on people's development. It's not good, and there does seem to be some link between those drugs and the violent acts of some who have taken them - the number of people who were on ritalin and then later committed a horrible violent crime definitely seems beyond coincidence.. there is the still the chicken and the egg argument to be had there of course.... But for adults with depression and anxiety? No, I don't really feel like antidepressants are generally overprescribed. I think most adults know when meds are something they need, and most are able to assess that the meds aren't doing the job too. However, I do think that doctors are not well equipped when it comes to trying to help their patients with depression or anxiety. I don't disagree with the drug prescriptions (nor with the trial and error process it often takes with such meds, nor with the decision to abandon the drugs if they aren't working the way the patient hoped), but I feel that doctors are not able to offer a well-rounded treatment, which should involve supplementary therapy. Meds alone are often not adequate - these people need support above and beyond the meds. Obviously this isn't happening for so many because the resources simply are not there for so many patients. So I think the issue for adults is not meds. The issue is the overriding lack of a well-rounded, easily accessible mental healthcare system. The government needs to do something drastic about that issue IMO.unsung said:
For sure.PJ_Soul said:Anti-depressants, anti-anxiety medication, and ADHA meds are actually an extremely common factor amongst mass shooters. I'm talking REALLY common. Like, the vast majority of mass shooters are on something or other in that category, or were at some point (the most compelling studies are the ones that explore the connection between ritalin use as a kid and violent tendencies as adolescents or adults - the Columbine massacre led researchers to explore this). However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the meds are the cause, obviously. Nobody has ever been able to prove that is the case. It simply proves that the vast majority mass shooters have some sort of mental health problem. And that isn't exactly a surprise (and of course that doesn't mean that everyone with mental illness is dangerous. 99% of people with mental illnesses are not violent - I'm sure everyone here knows that already. Also, of course, mental illness does not = insanity. Mental illness is no excuse for committing murder unless we're talking severe mental illnesses that involve delusion and shit).
Do you think that these types of medications are over prescribed?
I had had a family member stop taking them and almost immediately had an event. I wonder how common that type of reaction is.
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Depends on the med and what the event was. Some are known to be hard for some people to come off of.unsung said:
For sure.PJ_Soul said:Anti-depressants, anti-anxiety medication, and ADHA meds are actually an extremely common factor amongst mass shooters. I'm talking REALLY common. Like, the vast majority of mass shooters are on something or other in that category, or were at some point (the most compelling studies are the ones that explore the connection between ritalin use as a kid and violent tendencies as adolescents or adults - the Columbine massacre led researchers to explore this). However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the meds are the cause, obviously. Nobody has ever been able to prove that is the case. It simply proves that the vast majority mass shooters have some sort of mental health problem. And that isn't exactly a surprise (and of course that doesn't mean that everyone with mental illness is dangerous. 99% of people with mental illnesses are not violent - I'm sure everyone here knows that already. Also, of course, mental illness does not = insanity. Mental illness is no excuse for committing murder unless we're talking severe mental illnesses that involve delusion and shit).
Do you think that these types of medications are over prescribed?
I had had a family member stop taking them and almost immediately had an event. I wonder how common that type of reaction is.0 -
Many types of medications shouldn't be stopped abruptly, not just psychiatric medications.unsung said:
For sure.PJ_Soul said:Anti-depressants, anti-anxiety medication, and ADHA meds are actually an extremely common factor amongst mass shooters. I'm talking REALLY common. Like, the vast majority of mass shooters are on something or other in that category, or were at some point (the most compelling studies are the ones that explore the connection between ritalin use as a kid and violent tendencies as adolescents or adults - the Columbine massacre led researchers to explore this). However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the meds are the cause, obviously. Nobody has ever been able to prove that is the case. It simply proves that the vast majority mass shooters have some sort of mental health problem. And that isn't exactly a surprise (and of course that doesn't mean that everyone with mental illness is dangerous. 99% of people with mental illnesses are not violent - I'm sure everyone here knows that already. Also, of course, mental illness does not = insanity. Mental illness is no excuse for committing murder unless we're talking severe mental illnesses that involve delusion and shit).
Do you think that these types of medications are over prescribed?
I had had a family member stop taking them and almost immediately had an event. I wonder how common that type of reaction is.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
ADHD itself is highly correlated with both violent and non-violent criminal behaviour as well as drug abuse. Kids who are appropriately treated tend to have a better chance at not being criminally involved as teens and adults. Blaming the behaviour on treatment rather than the root condition is just a misunderstanding of causation.PJ_Soul said:
I am no expert, but I think that Ritalin and other ADHD drugs are overprescribed to children for sure. I also think ADHD is way over-diagnosed in children. I have read studies about the impact of those drugs on people's development. It's not good, and there does seem to be some link between those drugs and the violent acts of some who have taken them - the number of people who were on ritalin and then later committed a horrible violent crime definitely seems beyond coincidence.. there is the still the chicken and the egg argument to be had there of course.... But for adults with depression and anxiety? No, I don't really feel like antidepressants are generally overprescribed. I think most adults know when meds are something they need, and most are able to assess that the meds aren't doing the job too. However, I do think that doctors are not well equipped when it comes to trying to help their patients with depression or anxiety. I don't disagree with the drug prescriptions (nor with the trial and error process it often takes with such meds, nor with the decision to abandon the drugs if they aren't working the way the patient hoped), but I feel that doctors are not able to offer a well-rounded treatment, which should involve supplementary therapy. Meds alone are often not adequate - these people need support above and beyond the meds. Obviously this isn't happening for so many because the resources simply are not there for so many patients. So I think the issue for adults is not meds. The issue is the overriding lack of a well-rounded, easily accessible mental healthcare system. The government needs to do something drastic about that issue IMO.unsung said:
For sure.PJ_Soul said:Anti-depressants, anti-anxiety medication, and ADHA meds are actually an extremely common factor amongst mass shooters. I'm talking REALLY common. Like, the vast majority of mass shooters are on something or other in that category, or were at some point (the most compelling studies are the ones that explore the connection between ritalin use as a kid and violent tendencies as adolescents or adults - the Columbine massacre led researchers to explore this). However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the meds are the cause, obviously. Nobody has ever been able to prove that is the case. It simply proves that the vast majority mass shooters have some sort of mental health problem. And that isn't exactly a surprise (and of course that doesn't mean that everyone with mental illness is dangerous. 99% of people with mental illnesses are not violent - I'm sure everyone here knows that already. Also, of course, mental illness does not = insanity. Mental illness is no excuse for committing murder unless we're talking severe mental illnesses that involve delusion and shit).
Do you think that these types of medications are over prescribed?
I had had a family member stop taking them and almost immediately had an event. I wonder how common that type of reaction is.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
I thought it's pretty well accepted they are grossly over-prescribed.unsung said:
For sure.PJ_Soul said:Anti-depressants, anti-anxiety medication, and ADHA meds are actually an extremely common factor amongst mass shooters. I'm talking REALLY common. Like, the vast majority of mass shooters are on something or other in that category, or were at some point (the most compelling studies are the ones that explore the connection between ritalin use as a kid and violent tendencies as adolescents or adults - the Columbine massacre led researchers to explore this). However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the meds are the cause, obviously. Nobody has ever been able to prove that is the case. It simply proves that the vast majority mass shooters have some sort of mental health problem. And that isn't exactly a surprise (and of course that doesn't mean that everyone with mental illness is dangerous. 99% of people with mental illnesses are not violent - I'm sure everyone here knows that already. Also, of course, mental illness does not = insanity. Mental illness is no excuse for committing murder unless we're talking severe mental illnesses that involve delusion and shit).
Do you think that these types of medications are over prescribed?
I had had a family member stop taking them and almost immediately had an event. I wonder how common that type of reaction is.
a kid is given mess when he's too lazy to do homework these days is, because no one wants to accept responsibility for the kid and/or label him lazy, so there must be some mental illness to explain his academic failure.0 -
What meds are lazy kids prescribed?mace1229 said:
I thought it's pretty well accepted they are grossly over-prescribed.unsung said:
For sure.PJ_Soul said:Anti-depressants, anti-anxiety medication, and ADHA meds are actually an extremely common factor amongst mass shooters. I'm talking REALLY common. Like, the vast majority of mass shooters are on something or other in that category, or were at some point (the most compelling studies are the ones that explore the connection between ritalin use as a kid and violent tendencies as adolescents or adults - the Columbine massacre led researchers to explore this). However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the meds are the cause, obviously. Nobody has ever been able to prove that is the case. It simply proves that the vast majority mass shooters have some sort of mental health problem. And that isn't exactly a surprise (and of course that doesn't mean that everyone with mental illness is dangerous. 99% of people with mental illnesses are not violent - I'm sure everyone here knows that already. Also, of course, mental illness does not = insanity. Mental illness is no excuse for committing murder unless we're talking severe mental illnesses that involve delusion and shit).
Do you think that these types of medications are over prescribed?
I had had a family member stop taking them and almost immediately had an event. I wonder how common that type of reaction is.
a kid is given mess when he's too lazy to do homework these days is, because no one wants to accept responsibility for the kid and/or label him lazy, so there must be some mental illness to explain his academic failure.0 -
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Correct. Many with ADHD or conduct disorder as children that is not treated early go on to develop Antisocial Personality Disorder.oftenreading said:
ADHD itself is highly correlated with both violent and non-violent criminal behaviour as well as drug abuse. Kids who are appropriately treated tend to have a better chance at not being criminally involved as teens and adults. Blaming the behaviour on treatment rather than the root condition is just a misunderstanding of causation.PJ_Soul said:
I am no expert, but I think that Ritalin and other ADHD drugs are overprescribed to children for sure. I also think ADHD is way over-diagnosed in children. I have read studies about the impact of those drugs on people's development. It's not good, and there does seem to be some link between those drugs and the violent acts of some who have taken them - the number of people who were on ritalin and then later committed a horrible violent crime definitely seems beyond coincidence.. there is the still the chicken and the egg argument to be had there of course.... But for adults with depression and anxiety? No, I don't really feel like antidepressants are generally overprescribed. I think most adults know when meds are something they need, and most are able to assess that the meds aren't doing the job too. However, I do think that doctors are not well equipped when it comes to trying to help their patients with depression or anxiety. I don't disagree with the drug prescriptions (nor with the trial and error process it often takes with such meds, nor with the decision to abandon the drugs if they aren't working the way the patient hoped), but I feel that doctors are not able to offer a well-rounded treatment, which should involve supplementary therapy. Meds alone are often not adequate - these people need support above and beyond the meds. Obviously this isn't happening for so many because the resources simply are not there for so many patients. So I think the issue for adults is not meds. The issue is the overriding lack of a well-rounded, easily accessible mental healthcare system. The government needs to do something drastic about that issue IMO.unsung said:
For sure.PJ_Soul said:Anti-depressants, anti-anxiety medication, and ADHA meds are actually an extremely common factor amongst mass shooters. I'm talking REALLY common. Like, the vast majority of mass shooters are on something or other in that category, or were at some point (the most compelling studies are the ones that explore the connection between ritalin use as a kid and violent tendencies as adolescents or adults - the Columbine massacre led researchers to explore this). However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the meds are the cause, obviously. Nobody has ever been able to prove that is the case. It simply proves that the vast majority mass shooters have some sort of mental health problem. And that isn't exactly a surprise (and of course that doesn't mean that everyone with mental illness is dangerous. 99% of people with mental illnesses are not violent - I'm sure everyone here knows that already. Also, of course, mental illness does not = insanity. Mental illness is no excuse for committing murder unless we're talking severe mental illnesses that involve delusion and shit).
Do you think that these types of medications are over prescribed?
I had had a family member stop taking them and almost immediately had an event. I wonder how common that type of reaction is.Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/20140 -
Anything related to ADHD, like Ritalin.
I didn't even think it's disputed, pretty much that everyone agreed those drugs are over prescribed.
And lazy was just an example, a lot of underperforming kids get diagnosed and prescribed something when they don't know what else to do. Happened in my family, but not just from that experience, there's a lot of professionals who say it is over prescribed.0 -
If you really want to know:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db135.htm
We’re talking subsets of subsets. Insignificant. Just another excuse to mask the real problem.
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Another responsible gun owner, possibly not charged?
https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/11/22/police-hunter-shot-woman-riding-bike-on-new-hampshire-trail
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I am not defending the hunter in any way but why people decide to bike/walk in a hunting zone during hunting season is beyond me. really really dumb.Halifax2TheMax said:Another responsible gun owner, possibly not charged?
https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/11/22/police-hunter-shot-woman-riding-bike-on-new-hampshire-trailI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Why would anyone want to hunt where people regularly bike and hike? That is really, really dumb.mcgruff10 said:
I am not defending the hunter in any way but why people decide to bike/walk in a hunting zone during hunting season is beyond me. really really dumb.Halifax2TheMax said:Another responsible gun owner, possibly not charged?
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It's actually good to hunt near a bike/hike zone because people move the deer around. I run trails all the time around here but I would never run in a bow or shotgun zone during hunting season. That is just stupid.dignin said:
Why would anyone want to hunt where people regularly bike and hike? That is really, really dumb.mcgruff10 said:
I am not defending the hunter in any way but why people decide to bike/walk in a hunting zone during hunting season is beyond me. really really dumb.Halifax2TheMax said:Another responsible gun owner, possibly not charged?
https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/11/22/police-hunter-shot-woman-riding-bike-on-new-hampshire-trailI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
So it's dumb for her to be on a bike trail in area where signs aren't posted and is public access? Your mindset is way off on this. Now we need to stay indoors because its hunting season and hunters can't tell the difference between human on a bike and deer. I can't believe you're defending the idiot hunter.mcgruff10 said:
It's actually good to hunt near a bike/hike zone because people move the deer around. I run trails all the time around here but I would never run in a bow or shotgun zone during hunting season. That is just stupid.dignin said:
Why would anyone want to hunt where people regularly bike and hike? That is really, really dumb.mcgruff10 said:
I am not defending the hunter in any way but why people decide to bike/walk in a hunting zone during hunting season is beyond me. really really dumb.Halifax2TheMax said:Another responsible gun owner, possibly not charged?
https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/11/22/police-hunter-shot-woman-riding-bike-on-new-hampshire-trailIt's a hopeless situation...0 -
Yah. Don't actually 'hunt'. Just get off the couch and drive to the nearest locale where deer are spotted. They're by highways too. Just sit there in the Fargo pick up and blast a deer before it runs out onto the road: saves a potential collision in the process.mcgruff10 said:
It's actually good to hunt near a bike/hike zone because people move the deer around. I run trails all the time around here but I would never run in a bow or shotgun zone during hunting season. That is just stupid.dignin said:
Why would anyone want to hunt where people regularly bike and hike? That is really, really dumb.mcgruff10 said:
I am not defending the hunter in any way but why people decide to bike/walk in a hunting zone during hunting season is beyond me. really really dumb.Halifax2TheMax said:Another responsible gun owner, possibly not charged?
https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/11/22/police-hunter-shot-woman-riding-bike-on-new-hampshire-trail"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
So you like bikers and hikers around to stir up the deer but don't want them there because you might shoot them. Got it.mcgruff10 said:
It's actually good to hunt near a bike/hike zone because people move the deer around. I run trails all the time around here but I would never run in a bow or shotgun zone during hunting season. That is just stupid.dignin said:
Why would anyone want to hunt where people regularly bike and hike? That is really, really dumb.mcgruff10 said:
I am not defending the hunter in any way but why people decide to bike/walk in a hunting zone during hunting season is beyond me. really really dumb.Halifax2TheMax said:Another responsible gun owner, possibly not charged?
https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/11/22/police-hunter-shot-woman-riding-bike-on-new-hampshire-trail0 -
This is what I meant by "the chicken and the egg argument". There are some studies that seem to find that the use of the drug may have an impact on violent behaviour in and of itself, particularly if the meds were prescribed when they weren't necessary. There is a big difference between meds that should have been prescribed and helped and meds that shouldn't have been prescribed in the first place.Thoughts_Arrive said:
Correct. Many with ADHD or conduct disorder as children that is not treated early go on to develop Antisocial Personality Disorder.oftenreading said:
ADHD itself is highly correlated with both violent and non-violent criminal behaviour as well as drug abuse. Kids who are appropriately treated tend to have a better chance at not being criminally involved as teens and adults. Blaming the behaviour on treatment rather than the root condition is just a misunderstanding of causation.PJ_Soul said:
I am no expert, but I think that Ritalin and other ADHD drugs are overprescribed to children for sure. I also think ADHD is way over-diagnosed in children. I have read studies about the impact of those drugs on people's development. It's not good, and there does seem to be some link between those drugs and the violent acts of some who have taken them - the number of people who were on ritalin and then later committed a horrible violent crime definitely seems beyond coincidence.. there is the still the chicken and the egg argument to be had there of course.... But for adults with depression and anxiety? No, I don't really feel like antidepressants are generally overprescribed. I think most adults know when meds are something they need, and most are able to assess that the meds aren't doing the job too. However, I do think that doctors are not well equipped when it comes to trying to help their patients with depression or anxiety. I don't disagree with the drug prescriptions (nor with the trial and error process it often takes with such meds, nor with the decision to abandon the drugs if they aren't working the way the patient hoped), but I feel that doctors are not able to offer a well-rounded treatment, which should involve supplementary therapy. Meds alone are often not adequate - these people need support above and beyond the meds. Obviously this isn't happening for so many because the resources simply are not there for so many patients. So I think the issue for adults is not meds. The issue is the overriding lack of a well-rounded, easily accessible mental healthcare system. The government needs to do something drastic about that issue IMO.unsung said:
For sure.PJ_Soul said:Anti-depressants, anti-anxiety medication, and ADHA meds are actually an extremely common factor amongst mass shooters. I'm talking REALLY common. Like, the vast majority of mass shooters are on something or other in that category, or were at some point (the most compelling studies are the ones that explore the connection between ritalin use as a kid and violent tendencies as adolescents or adults - the Columbine massacre led researchers to explore this). However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the meds are the cause, obviously. Nobody has ever been able to prove that is the case. It simply proves that the vast majority mass shooters have some sort of mental health problem. And that isn't exactly a surprise (and of course that doesn't mean that everyone with mental illness is dangerous. 99% of people with mental illnesses are not violent - I'm sure everyone here knows that already. Also, of course, mental illness does not = insanity. Mental illness is no excuse for committing murder unless we're talking severe mental illnesses that involve delusion and shit).
Do you think that these types of medications are over prescribed?
I had had a family member stop taking them and almost immediately had an event. I wonder how common that type of reaction is.
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