America's Gun Violence

Force Of Nature

I'm just curious, has anyone changed their opinion on gun laws recently based on these endless attacks?
Maybe totally against guns but recently thought of getting one?  Or vice versa, love guns but thought maybe their should be more laws?

unsung

riley540 said:

A lot of people use prayer to better their lives. It’s gross to see how insensitive the people on this board are towards those people. This was a church. These innocent people were there for open prayer and worship and people on here are making a mockery of it. 

I get a board closed closed last week for saying radical Islam is a problem, and this board is applauded for bashing Christian people. Funny 

If a mosque had been shot up they would be singing a different tune.

HughFreakingDillon

unsung said:

riley540 said:

A lot of people use prayer to better their lives. It’s gross to see how insensitive the people on this board are towards those people. This was a church. These innocent people were there for open prayer and worship and people on here are making a mockery of it. 

I get a board closed closed last week for saying radical Islam is a problem, and this board is applauded for bashing Christian people. Funny 

If a mosque had been shot up they would be singing a different tune.

try reading a bit harder. no one is mocking religion in any fashion. 

unsung

tbergs said:

unsung said:

mace1229 said:

unsung said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

tbergs said:

unsung said:

tbergs said:

unsung said:

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Bentleyspop said:

Aurora: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Umpqua CC: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Sutherland Springs: AR-15

Nothing can be done.

Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?

Yes.

You can't even get the terminology correct.

Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?

Ok. My apologies. I haven't fired an AR or its like in about 10 years. What is the correct terminology you would like me to use? You have lots of criticism, but no answers or suggestions. Only Mace seems to be able to provide some sort of reasonable discussion points.

Have you ever shot one?

If not, I will take you out to a range and introduce you to one.  I can then go over terminology and show you how it operates, including breaking it down and re-assembling it.

Yeah, did you read my answer? It's been about 9 years. I shot it several thousand times and was qualified with it before that. A crack shot with it. I could break it down and put it back together no problems. That's what I did.

Again, do you have any other suggestions. A civilian has no need to own an AR or other types of semi-auto assault rifles. Fear is the only reason no one is willing to give up these types of guns. Don't worry, we'll all die of lack of water and tillable land before the government comes for your guns. You will probably need your gun to protect your bunker of supplies from the raving masses of starving and thirsty.

Reminds me of this beautiful song;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj-10lIrboM

Clearly yesterday proved that we need them, in order to stop bad people from harming others.

Thankfully it isn't the Bill of Needs.  Thankfully I don't need someone telling me what I do or don't.

You asked me what my terminology was, that lead me to believe your experience was not vast.  My terminology is what it actually is, not what the media says it is.

pretty sure that guy didn't have an assault weapon

More than likely not as there really is no such thing.  

He probably had his personal defense firearm or his sporting rifle.  I highly doubt he had a military M16.

Just wondering, what are you considering an assault rifle? A gun used by the military?
The government has defined assault rifles by a few select features, many of which are available on civilian versions.

You lost me at "the government".

Features that don't make a weapon any more likely to be used in a crime.

Oh no, those evil pistol grips!  LOL.

Is there a sovereign citizens or similar handbook where we can learn all your acceptable definitions.

You do realize a pistol grip is intended to make the weapon easier to handle, which much like semi-auto features, makes it a much more efficient killing machine for those who are highly skilled in it's use. Unlike a handgun, a rifle bullet is going to travel a lot farther with more efficiency than when I shoot a handgun from a non conforming position. I can shoot a hand gun from the hip and be very effective at 30 feet so imagine if I practice shooting my semi auto from a lower position if I was say, retreating or on the move. That would keep people on their heels. Sure, you won't be very accurate if you aren't aiming, but the fact that you can at least semi-auto fire rounds from a non-sighted position isn't anything I would want to be on the other end of. You seem to think that all of these "features" have no negative impact. To the average gun owner, they probably don't mean shit because they are never going to use it that way, but to the next mass shooter, they are looking for quick and efficient killing "features".

So it makes a firearm more accurate?  So the user hits the intended target and not cause an accident and hit a person when being used?

Do you prefer firearms that when you use them you don't know where the projectile is going?

unsung

Force Of Nature said:

I'm just curious, has anyone changed their opinion on gun laws recently based on these endless attacks?
Maybe totally against guns but recently thought of getting one?  Or vice versa, love guns but thought maybe their should be more laws?

No.

Go Beavers

unsung said:

riley540 said:

A lot of people use prayer to better their lives. It’s gross to see how insensitive the people on this board are towards those people. This was a church. These innocent people were there for open prayer and worship and people on here are making a mockery of it. 

I get a board closed closed last week for saying radical Islam is a problem, and this board is applauded for bashing Christian people. Funny 

If a mosque had been shot up they would be singing a different tune.

A mosque has been shot up. What tune was sung then?

unsung

Don't tell me religion doesn't matter to people who do these things.

unsung

CM189191 said:

unsung said: 

CM189191 said:

unsung said:p

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Bentleyspop said:

Aurora: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Umpqua CC: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Sutherland Springs: AR-15

Nothing can be done.

Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?

Yes.

You can't even get the terminology correct.

Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?

every gun
every owner
every transfer
documented

how's that for terminology

Already is in my State.

So how does that stop a bad person from doing bad things?

it's not about stopping bad people from doing bad things
it's about restricting the opportunities for bad people to do bad things so easily

how many times does it have to be explained to you gun-fetishists?  more guns = more gun deaths
this is not a cultural issue of 'the usa has too many bad people", it's an issue of "the usa has too many guns and gun-nuts"

less guns, less gun deaths
it really is that fucking simple, and has been proven the world over.  How is this not sinking in?

I'd just like to know how you propose doing this?

"But nobody is calling for a gun ban!"

Bentleyspop

unsung said:

riley540 said:

A lot of people use prayer to better their lives. It’s gross to see how insensitive the people on this board are towards those people. This was a church. These innocent people were there for open prayer and worship and people on here are making a mockery of it. 

I get a board closed closed last week for saying radical Islam is a problem, and this board is applauded for bashing Christian people. Funny 

If a mosque had been shot up they would be singing a different tune.

"they"?

bootlegger10

Congress.   Do something.   26 people dying out of 350 million in the country should not halt gun legislation.   A terrible event for sure, but not something that should stop Congress from doing their jobs.   

unsung

Ooooohhhh.

"Those" people.

Get a life.

PJ_Soul

unsung said:

Don't tell me religion doesn't matter to people who do these things.

Do you mean this guy who shot up the Church in Texas? I haven't read anything to suggest that he did this because of religion. Is there info out there saying that had anything to do with what he did? I saw that his in-laws apparently attended the Church (though I didn't see that they were in attendance on the day of the massacre... not even sure if they still attend or if they just used to).

Anyway, I almost don't even get what's happening in this thread. The comments about bashing religion and insulting Christians really make little to no sense IMO.

josevolution

unsung said:

Ooooohhhh.

"Those" people.

Get a life.

Asking serious question do you think anything should be done or just keep it the same way as far as gun laws are concerned in other words lets just keep status quo and go around around with these events , there is another one on the way surely you must agree no ?

Gern Blansten

I keep seeing people refer to christians being insulted yet I don't see those insults.  Maybe I'm not looking hard enough.

I think we should treat guns just like automobiles.  You have you have a license to own one.  You have to pass a test to own one.  You have to register your weapons just like an automobile or snowmobile.  

I think there should be federal laws that prevent people from owning assault weapons.  Resellers of guns and ammo should be under strict regulation.  

Why am I prevented from buying large amounts of mucinex D yet I do not have the same limitations to buy guns?

We will end up with stricter gun laws.  It will fucking happen.  At some point we won't be able to deny it further.

Bentleyspop

unsung said:

Ooooohhhh.

"Those" people.

Get a life.

Thanks for yet another thoughtful, open minded, and intelligent contribution to the discourse

namaste

CM189191

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said: 

CM189191 said:

unsung said:p

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Bentleyspop said:

Aurora: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Umpqua CC: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Sutherland Springs: AR-15

Nothing can be done.

Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?

Yes.

You can't even get the terminology correct.

Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?

every gun
every owner
every transfer
documented

how's that for terminology

Already is in my State.

So how does that stop a bad person from doing bad things?

it's not about stopping bad people from doing bad things
it's about restricting the opportunities for bad people to do bad things so easily

how many times does it have to be explained to you gun-fetishists?  more guns = more gun deaths
this is not a cultural issue of 'the usa has too many bad people", it's an issue of "the usa has too many guns and gun-nuts"

less guns, less gun deaths
it really is that fucking simple, and has been proven the world over.  How is this not sinking in?

I'd just like to know how you propose doing this?

"But nobody is calling for a gun ban!"

edit: the same way they do it in every other modern industrialized nation that seems to make it through the week without a mass shooting

you act like this is so difficult

Gern Blansten

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said: 

CM189191 said:

unsung said:p

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Bentleyspop said:

Aurora: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Umpqua CC: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Sutherland Springs: AR-15

Nothing can be done.

Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?

Yes.

You can't even get the terminology correct.

Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?

every gun
every owner
every transfer
documented

how's that for terminology

Already is in my State.

So how does that stop a bad person from doing bad things?

it's not about stopping bad people from doing bad things
it's about restricting the opportunities for bad people to do bad things so easily

how many times does it have to be explained to you gun-fetishists?  more guns = more gun deaths
this is not a cultural issue of 'the usa has too many bad people", it's an issue of "the usa has too many guns and gun-nuts"

less guns, less gun deaths
it really is that fucking simple, and has been proven the world over.  How is this not sinking in?

I'd just like to know how you propose doing this?

"But nobody is calling for a gun ban!"

I am calling for gun ownership to be restricted.  There are already restrictions on guns and gun ownership, just not enough.  That would include banning certain types of guns.  

And how many people would this even effect?  The majority of the population doesn't own a gun.  The majority of guns owners either own pistols or weapons for hunting (single shot rifles, shotguns, etc.).

The segment of gun owners that restrictions would even effect is very small.  Why do those few insane people control the country?

I'm pretty sure that the majority of NRA members even support restrictions.

mace1229

tbergs said:

unsung said:

mace1229 said:

unsung said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

tbergs said:

unsung said:

tbergs said:

unsung said:

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Bentleyspop said:

Aurora: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Umpqua CC: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Sutherland Springs: AR-15

Nothing can be done.

Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?

Yes.

You can't even get the terminology correct.

Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?

Ok. My apologies. I haven't fired an AR or its like in about 10 years. What is the correct terminology you would like me to use? You have lots of criticism, but no answers or suggestions. Only Mace seems to be able to provide some sort of reasonable discussion points.

Have you ever shot one?

If not, I will take you out to a range and introduce you to one.  I can then go over terminology and show you how it operates, including breaking it down and re-assembling it.

Yeah, did you read my answer? It's been about 9 years. I shot it several thousand times and was qualified with it before that. A crack shot with it. I could break it down and put it back together no problems. That's what I did.

Again, do you have any other suggestions. A civilian has no need to own an AR or other types of semi-auto assault rifles. Fear is the only reason no one is willing to give up these types of guns. Don't worry, we'll all die of lack of water and tillable land before the government comes for your guns. You will probably need your gun to protect your bunker of supplies from the raving masses of starving and thirsty.

Reminds me of this beautiful song;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj-10lIrboM

Clearly yesterday proved that we need them, in order to stop bad people from harming others.

Thankfully it isn't the Bill of Needs.  Thankfully I don't need someone telling me what I do or don't.

You asked me what my terminology was, that lead me to believe your experience was not vast.  My terminology is what it actually is, not what the media says it is.

pretty sure that guy didn't have an assault weapon

More than likely not as there really is no such thing.  

He probably had his personal defense firearm or his sporting rifle.  I highly doubt he had a military M16.

Just wondering, what are you considering an assault rifle? A gun used by the military?
The government has defined assault rifles by a few select features, many of which are available on civilian versions.

You lost me at "the government".

Features that don't make a weapon any more likely to be used in a crime.

Oh no, those evil pistol grips!  LOL.

Is there a sovereign citizens or similar handbook where we can learn all your acceptable definitions.

You do realize a pistol grip is intended to make the weapon easier to handle, which much like semi-auto features, makes it a much more efficient killing machine for those who are highly skilled in it's use. Unlike a handgun, a rifle bullet is going to travel a lot farther with more efficiency than when I shoot a handgun from a non conforming position. I can shoot a hand gun from the hip and be very effective at 30 feet so imagine if I practice shooting my semi auto from a lower position if I was say, retreating or on the move. That would keep people on their heels. Sure, you won't be very accurate if you aren't aiming, but the fact that you can at least semi-auto fire rounds from a non-sighted position isn't anything I would want to be on the other end of. You seem to think that all of these "features" have no negative impact. To the average gun owner, they probably don't mean shit because they are never going to use it that way, but to the next mass shooter, they are looking for quick and efficient killing "features".

I don't think any of the mass shooters made use of a pistol grip. They are really only good when you don't even care what direction your bullets are going, you have zero control over your weapon when using one. Even the Vegas shooter who had a target of over 20,000 knew not to use it.
But my point wasn't to argue pistol grips. Pistol grips wouldn't even be a point of discussion if magazines were really fixed and limited. If someone wants to own a military looking weapon then I think they should, just as long as it doesn't function like one. Limit the magazine and let them have the pistol grip.

tempo_n_groove

Question?

Does anyone want to try and understand why these shootings keep happening?

There has to be a common denominator on why shootings are becoming more frequent.

Since the internet has become more popular so has mass shootings.

Just a thought.

Gern Blansten

tempo_n_groove said:

Question?

Does anyone want to try and understand why these shootings keep happening?

There has to be a common denominator on why shootings are becoming more frequent.

Since the internet has become more popular so has mass shootings.

Just a thought.

I think it boils down to three things.

1. Attitude toward gun restrictions
2. Education system
3. Healthcare system

We suck at all three.  No other country has these problems.