Watced 'Gunned Down: The Power of the NRA" last night, simultaneously feeling terrible sadness and overwhelming anger and frustration. It's terrifying the power they hold and their determination to put their 'right to bear arms' above all else. Seeing the interviews with Sandy Hook parents and Obama's response to that horrific event was heartbreaking
The NRA certainly has an agenda, just like every other group in Washington. They also do a lot of good. Gun safety programs, training courses and fighting to preserve the right to keep and bear arms for law abiding citizens to name a few.
I am by no means a defender of everything NRA but they are not the completely evil organization that Bloomberg, Hollywood and many leftists make them out to be.
They're only a little evil with some good sprinkled on top.
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The NRA certainly has an agenda, just like every other group in Washington. They also do a lot of good. Gun safety programs, training courses and fighting to preserve the right to keep and bear arms for law abiding citizens to name a few.
I am by no means a defender of everything NRA but they are not the completely evil organization that Bloomberg, Hollywood and many leftists make them out to be.
They're only a little evil with some good sprinkled on top.
The "good" you described doesn't count for shit to someone who doesn't care about guns. Do they feed hungry people? Do they help sick people? Help the elderly? Do they help kids to build a better life?
Building your own brand is not "doing good", don't try to kid yourself.
The NRA certainly has an agenda, just like every other group in Washington. They also do a lot of good. Gun safety programs, training courses and fighting to preserve the right to keep and bear arms for law abiding citizens to name a few.
I am by no means a defender of everything NRA but they are not the completely evil organization that Bloomberg, Hollywood and many leftists make them out to be.
They're only a little evil with some good sprinkled on top.
The "good" you described doesn't count for shit to someone who doesn't care about guns. Do they feed hungry people? Do they help sick people? Help the elderly? Do they help kids to build a better life?
Building your own brand is not "doing good", don't try to kid yourself.
Promoting gun safety and providing training is good for everyone, pro, anti or ambivalent.
If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
The NRA certainly has an agenda, just like every other group in Washington. They also do a lot of good. Gun safety programs, training courses and fighting to preserve the right to keep and bear arms for law abiding citizens to name a few.
I am by no means a defender of everything NRA but they are not the completely evil organization that Bloomberg, Hollywood and many leftists make them out to be.
They're only a little evil with some good sprinkled on top.
The "good" you described doesn't count for shit to someone who doesn't care about guns. Do they feed hungry people? Do they help sick people? Help the elderly? Do they help kids to build a better life?
Building your own brand is not "doing good", don't try to kid yourself.
Promoting gun safety and providing training is good for everyone, pro, anti or ambivalent.
I mean, it's better than not doing so, but it's not exactly something that qualifies as a humanitarian endeavour. Promoting gun safety and providing training is good for everyone, but it's best for the NRA. I'm struggling to think of the great luminary figure that said, "feed the children, take care of your elders, make peace, and for goodness' sake, provide gun safety training".
Did anyone claim that the NRA is a humanitarian organization? I must have missed that part.
No. I think it's pretty clear what the NRA's purpose is, to promote gun ownership and fight legislation that puts any type of restrictions on said ownership. Defending the NRA might as well be as worthy as supporting big oil, coal mining and military spending. The little they do to support a better world doesn't even come close to outweighing the negatives they create. It's more about trying to keep their conscience clean and a side project they can use to detract negative press.
They absolutely have an agenda, just like everyone else in Washington. Some of what they do could probably be perceived as nefarious.
However, they stand up for the rights of law-abiding citizens. I don't see a negative there. The right to bear arms applies to you too. (Provided that you aren't exempt due to felony convictions, restraining orders, drug addiction, domestic violence, dishonorable discharge from the military or mental illness.)
Also, some of the legislation they have opposed would have made many people "criminals" due to shady, back door pieces of legislation added to otherwise sensible bills. The draft of the Universal Background Check bill was ridiculous with loopholes and language that made it difficult to take seriously.
For the record, I think universal background checks and minimum training and proficiency requirements are a great idea, so please don't lump me in with the "gun nuts" who oppose such things.
I just don't want to spend 20 years in prison for taking someone to the range and shooting a gun that they brought without calling the police to conduct a background check on me before I pick it up. I don't think that people who visit gun owners in their own homes should have to have a background check before they can go inside is a step in the right direction either.
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Not that I'm a gun advocate, but I also didn't see any mention in there that he is a legal gun owner. Do we know anything about this guy yet to jump to conclusions?
Especially people who have demonstrated violent tendencies, drug use and mental instability. What makes it worse is that this guy had legal trouble of this nature and more wasn't done to prevent him from getting his hands on a gun.
I'm all for gun rights for law abiding citizens but if you can't play by the rules, you forfeit that right. We should be able to do better in this day and age.
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A little but if background on the Orlando shooter. No mention of how he got the gun yet. Former military with some minor issues in his past, but nothing major that would have prohibited legal gun ownership.
A little but if background on the Orlando shooter. No mention of how he got the gun yet. Former military with some minor issues in his past, but nothing major that would have prohibited legal gun ownership.
A little but if background on the Orlando shooter. No mention of how he got the gun yet. Former military with some minor issues in his past, but nothing major that would have prohibited legal gun ownership.
Does not having a conceal carry permit make you a criminal?
No, you just can't carry a concealed firearm. You can still own it and bring it in your trunk any where you want. He wasn't concealing anything when he went to shoot those people.
A little but if background on the Orlando shooter. No mention of how he got the gun yet. Former military with some minor issues in his past, but nothing major that would have prohibited legal gun ownership.
Depending on the marijuana charges. If he was a pot smoker, he shouldn't have had guns. I know that law enforcement doesn't investigate that i.e; I don't know of any states that conduct drug tests before someone can buy a gun. It is specifically asked on the 4473 form but it is probably pretty easy to lie about since no one checks.
Maybe it's time for that to change?
If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
A little but if background on the Orlando shooter. No mention of how he got the gun yet. Former military with some minor issues in his past, but nothing major that would have prohibited legal gun ownership.
Does not having a conceal carry permit make you a criminal?
No, you just can't carry a concealed firearm. You can still own it and bring it in your trunk any where you want. He wasn't concealing anything when he went to shoot those people.
Do you know that? Because in my mind if your legal, concealed carry, your allowed, licensed, to carry but it means you conceal, lawfully. If you're not licensed, then you openly carry. Strapped to your hip, or openly in your hand. The whole point of the stupid law, is, only those law abiders will get the jump. But according to the previous poster, every American possesses 5 firearms but a smaller percentage actually do. So, stockpile away, Hillary's coming for your guns.
A little but if background on the Orlando shooter. No mention of how he got the gun yet. Former military with some minor issues in his past, but nothing major that would have prohibited legal gun ownership.
Does not having a conceal carry permit make you a criminal?
No, you just can't carry a concealed firearm. You can still own it and bring it in your trunk any where you want. He wasn't concealing anything when he went to shoot those people.
Do you know that? Because in my mind if your legal, concealed carry, your allowed, licensed, to carry but it means you conceal, lawfully. If you're not licensed, then you openly carry. Strapped to your hip, or openly in your hand. The whole point of the stupid law, is, only those law abiders will get the jump. But according to the previous poster, every American possesses 5 firearms but a smaller percentage actually do. So, stockpile away, Hillary's coming for your guns.
There are 10 states that do not require a CCW permit, but they do have restrictions. You generally have to have a permit to open carry and even then, there are some states, like Florida, that ban open carry altogether even if you have a CCW
A little but if background on the Orlando shooter. No mention of how he got the gun yet. Former military with some minor issues in his past, but nothing major that would have prohibited legal gun ownership.
Does not having a conceal carry permit make you a criminal?
No, you just can't carry a concealed firearm. You can still own it and bring it in your trunk any where you want. He wasn't concealing anything when he went to shoot those people.
Do you know that? Because in my mind if your legal, concealed carry, your allowed, licensed, to carry but it means you conceal, lawfully. If you're not licensed, then you openly carry. Strapped to your hip, or openly in your hand. The whole point of the stupid law, is, only those law abiders will get the jump. But according to the previous poster, every American possesses 5 firearms but a smaller percentage actually do. So, stockpile away, Hillary's coming for your guns.
There are 10 states that do not require a CCW permit, but they do have restrictions. You generally have to have a permit to open carry and even then, there are some states, like Florida, that ban open carry altogether even if you have a CCW
I asked because a news article I read stated that he didn't have a CCW permit. As such did he break the law prior to carrying his gun inside and shooting those folks?
A little but if background on the Orlando shooter. No mention of how he got the gun yet. Former military with some minor issues in his past, but nothing major that would have prohibited legal gun ownership.
Does not having a conceal carry permit make you a criminal?
No, you just can't carry a concealed firearm. You can still own it and bring it in your trunk any where you want. He wasn't concealing anything when he went to shoot those people.
Do you know that? Because in my mind if your legal, concealed carry, your allowed, licensed, to carry but it means you conceal, lawfully. If you're not licensed, then you openly carry. Strapped to your hip, or openly in your hand. The whole point of the stupid law, is, only those law abiders will get the jump. But according to the previous poster, every American possesses 5 firearms but a smaller percentage actually do. So, stockpile away, Hillary's coming for your guns.
There are 10 states that do not require a CCW permit, but they do have restrictions. You generally have to have a permit to open carry and even then, there are some states, like Florida, that ban open carry altogether even if you have a CCW
I asked because a news article I read stated that he didn't have a CCW permit. As such did he break the law prior to carrying his gun inside and shooting those folks?
If he didn't have one, the only time you can open carry in Florida is when you are hunting, fishing or camping or returning from those activities. If he didn't have a permit, he was breaking the law by carrying it into that business. A lot of business have rules that prohibit guns inside and you have to follow those rules or you can be fined/arrested/lose your CCW.
I just thought it was odd that the article stated that he didn't have a CCW as if that was relevant somehow? Maybe it is, I don't know. But thanks for the info.
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Gun owners kill people
What a shame. Hope the survivors of the victims can get past this.
Nice dig at gun owners though.
I am by no means a defender of everything NRA but they are not the completely evil organization that Bloomberg, Hollywood and many leftists make them out to be.
They're only a little evil with some good sprinkled on top.
Do they feed hungry people?
Do they help sick people?
Help the elderly?
Do they help kids to build a better life?
Building your own brand is not "doing good", don't try to kid yourself.
Promoting gun safety and providing training is good for everyone, pro, anti or ambivalent.
I'm struggling to think of the great luminary figure that said, "feed the children, take care of your elders, make peace, and for goodness' sake, provide gun safety training".
However, they stand up for the rights of law-abiding citizens. I don't see a negative there. The right to bear arms applies to you too. (Provided that you aren't exempt due to felony convictions, restraining orders, drug addiction, domestic violence, dishonorable discharge from the military or mental illness.)
Also, some of the legislation they have opposed would have made many people "criminals" due to shady, back door pieces of legislation added to otherwise sensible bills. The draft of the Universal Background Check bill was ridiculous with loopholes and language that made it difficult to take seriously.
For the record, I think universal background checks and minimum training and proficiency requirements are a great idea, so please don't lump me in with the "gun nuts" who oppose such things.
I just don't want to spend 20 years in prison for taking someone to the range and shooting a gun that they brought without calling the police to conduct a background check on me before I pick it up. I don't think that people who visit gun owners in their own homes should have to have a background check before they can go inside is a step in the right direction either.
Gun owners kill people
Welcome aboard!
I'm all for gun rights for law abiding citizens but if you can't play by the rules, you forfeit that right. We should be able to do better in this day and age.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orlando-workplace-shooting/os-john-robert-neumann-shooting-suspect-20170605-story.html
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Maybe it's time for that to change?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-record-america-arms-itself-necessary-steps-to-defend-selves/article/2624952
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If his unlawful conduct months or years ago had resulted in his loss of gun rights, maybe yesterday's events could have been avoided.
Doesn't really matter though. I'm thinking in "What ifs" here.