The guy on stage signing at Mandela's memorial a FAKE

PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
edited December 2013 in A Moving Train
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25330672

What the FUCK????? Who does that?! :wtf: Kind of makes a mockery of the event... I don't think Nelson Mandela would approve! :nono:
Deaf viewers of Nelson Mandela's memorial service have complained that the official sign language interpreter was a fraud who was "signing rubbish".

The Deaf Federation of South Africa told the BBC the man's signs were "arbitrary" and "did not make sense".

The man, who has not yet been publicly identified, was seen on stage signing as friends and family of Mr Mandela, and world leaders, paid tribute to the former South African president.

The government is investigating.

It said on Wednesday it had as yet been unable to get to the bottom of the allegations "due to the demanding schedule of organising events related to the State Funeral".

But, in a statement, the government said it "wishes to assure South Africans that we are clear in defending the rights and dignity of people with disabilities".
'Making a mockery'

Major national and international news channels broadcast Mr Mandela's state memorial service live on Tuesday.

The man, suited and wearing a pass around his neck, stood next to key speakers such as US President Barack Obama and Mr Mandela's grandchildren translating their eulogies.

During the broadcast, Wilma Newhoudt-Druchen, South Africa's first deaf female MP, tweeted: "ANC-linked interpreter on the stage with dep president of ANC is signing rubbish. He cannot sign. Please get him off."

She told the BBC the man was "employed by ANC head office or used by them" but didn't use South African sign language.

The ANC has refused to comment on whether it had used the interpreter at previous events.

Francois Deysal, who is a signing trainer at the Deaf Federation of South Africa, said the man was "not known to the deaf community or other interpreters in South Africa".

South African sign language has its own structure and is not linked to any spoken language like Afrikaans, Xhosa or English, Mr Deysal told the BBC's Newsday programme.

South African Braam Jordaan, the Young Deaf Leader for the World Federation of the Deaf, told the BBC the man was "creating his own signs".

He said deaf people had been excluded in South Africa long before apartheid happened.

There is one sign language interpreter for every 10,000 deaf people in South Africa, he said via an interpreter.

The BBC's See Hear researcher Erika Jones, also a sign language user, said the man's signing seemed to have no grammatical base and kept repeating sign patterns when it was clear that the speaker was not using repetitive words.

UK deaf news blog The Limping Chicken said the sign language interpreter had a "strange repetitive rhythm to his movements", and "the structure of his hand and body movements didn't seem to change no matter what the speaker was saying".

Blog editor Charlie Swinbourne said the man "made a mockery of our language".

If the accusations that the man was a "fake" turn out to be true, "on a day when the world saluted a man who fought oppression, a guy stood on stage and effectively oppressed another minority - deaf people", Mr Swinbourne wrote.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Saw this earlier. How does this happen...twice?

    Such bad taste it's almost funny, especially with some of his moves.

    (Now...to see someone who knows how to sign and rock it in the process? This will always rank up there for me :) )

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5WSaPUFEL8
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    hedonist wrote:

    (Now...to see someone who knows how to sign and rock it in the process? This will always rank up there for me :) )

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5WSaPUFEL8

    :thumbup: That's the way to do it!
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    The scary thing is that a guy who faked his way to an $85 gig was arms-length away from leaders of the world.

    There are reports that the first wave of people into the stadium didn't go through security as well. The bad guys must be kicking themselves today for missing a ripe opportunity.
  • hedonist wrote:
    Saw this earlier. How does this happen...twice?

    Such bad taste it's almost funny, especially with some of his moves.

    (Now...to see someone who knows how to sign and rock it in the process? This will always rank up there for me :) )

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5WSaPUFEL8
    i was at this show. probably 25 rows back in between ed and stone. this was one of the coolest moments i have ever seen at a rock show. i ended up meeting Kim several years later through a mutual friend who is also a sign language interpreter. she described this moment as "the best few minutes of my life" up until that point.

    did anybody see stephen colbert's take on this last night? i was crying i was laughing so hard. i will see if i can find a video of it and post it. if you get a chance to see it, please do :lol:
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    The fake signer is now trying to say that he had a schizophrenic episode while on the stage..... Seems unlikely! :lol:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    :lol:

    He is a funny kcufer :mrgreen:
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    i think the guy is fantastic
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    chadwick wrote:
    i think the guy is fantastic
    Who, the fake signer? :lol: I think he could have yucked it up a bit more myself. :lol:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • I thought it was Tito Jackson.

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    That guy is so full of shit. I can't believe he's trying to say he had a psychotic break. :fp:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul wrote:
    That guy is so full of shit. I can't believe he's trying to say he had a psychotic break. :fp:


    Well my dear I don't know what you were watching but to that guy and myself it looked like a shot right out of Raiders of the Lost Ark when the ark got opened. Don't know what the rest of the world saw, but I know what him and I were channeling.

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    i think the guy is fantastic
    Who, the fake signer? :lol: I think he could have yucked it up a bit more myself. :lol:
    yeah him.

    i like
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
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