Thirty Bills, our home was built in 1953 and rustic for sure not to mention I rarely water the yards because it's way to expensive,it's not real pretty but it's home.
I can say a good thing about S.D is that it is close to what ever you want to do snow,beach,desert and for the most part all these places are any where from 15 min. to a few hours away(desert) but beautiful mountains are only 1 hour away but..........we pay out the ass for this stuff along with the perfect weather,I plan on retiring in Vegas or Arizona and if a reliable job happened my way in either of those areas I'd be out of here in a heart beat, tax's and cost of living here is off the hook but this where I grew up so...here I am.
san diego is lovely. lo jolla beach (la ho e a)
fucking fantastic place to swim & whatnot
folks who live in lo jolla.... fuck off!
they have huge amounts of $$$
i like california
some places i like there more than other places there
it is crowded to my notion & EXPENSIVE
try living in san francisco
California is definitely a very diverse place, Chadwick, both in climate, topography and people but lot's of places that were one affordable are very expensive now. I live in SF from 1969 to 1973. The last place I lived in there was a very nice upstairs three bedroom flat that overlooked much of the city, included use of the garage, small yard and rooftop and cost my two roommates and I $200 a month. During that time, two of us worked for a company that made cloth calendars and aprons and we both made just barely over minimum wage and the other guy worked retail in a department store. Imagine that! Even adjusting for inflation, things were much less expensive then. No way could I live there now. Today people think of a living wage there terms of a salary rather than hourly wages.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Thirty Bills, our home was built in 1953 and rustic for sure not to mention I rarely water the yards because it's way to expensive,it's not real pretty but it's home.
Godfather.
but its home
No shiny paint, stucco work, or beautiful windows can substitute for the warmth and love that truly make a home a home.
You think it would be difficult to create a machine that can assemble whoppers?
have you ever noticed how perfect and exact weight of a burger is at these places ?....min.wage wont do that.
or the soda machines at 7/11...gone are the day's of a soda jerk, or how about hand painted toy's,dishes or cars..
robotic's have been and will be the future and demise of the unskilled worker taking min.wage along with them.
You think it would be difficult to create a machine that can assemble whoppers?
have you ever noticed how perfect and exact weight of a burger is at these places ?....min.wage wont do that.
or the soda machines at 7/11...gone are the day's of a soda jerk, or how about hand painted toy's,dishes or cars..
robotic's have been and will be the future and demise of the unskilled worker taking min.wage along with them.
Godfather.
Yep.
The only reason companies have not completely automated. Gotta keep the groundlings content.
If the groundlings...that would be most of our population, ever united. The uppers would be a bit freaked out.
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
You think it would be difficult to create a machine that can assemble whoppers?
have you ever noticed how perfect and exact weight of a burger is at these places ?....min.wage wont do that.
or the soda machines at 7/11...gone are the day's of a soda jerk, or how about hand painted toy's,dishes or cars..
robotic's have been and will be the future and demise of the unskilled worker taking min.wage along with them.
Godfather.
Yep.
The only reason companies have not completely automated. Gotta keep the groundlings content.
If the groundlings...that would be most of our population, ever united. The uppers would be a bit freaked out.
The only reason companies have not completely automated. Gotta keep the groundlings content.
which is one good point of a union,a union can slow the process of out sourcing but a union contract that is negociated with the company and it's attorneys and is usally deep with gray areas and loop holes that the companys keep as an ace up their sleeves...all union contracts are tilted/worded towards the companys in a genious way that the underlings can't see ,I have seen this with both unions I have been a member of and witnessed it in other unions...shit I'm derailing the topic I am a recording secritary for our local and our union is often blinded with a sense of "they need us" but when the company wants to out-source or lay off or even a partial plant closure there is nothing stoping them,they pay the agreed upon monies to the workers affected and continue business as planned,full steam ahead. .....it's kind of funny that I am a non democrate and a union officer at the same time
Calculating a living wage across the United States
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ok lets say you rent an apt for 600.00 a month and that is cheap.That's 7200.00 a yr. Electric- on average is 100.00(heating months and cooling months) add another 1200. landline at least 55.00 a month add another 660.00 Lets just say you don't have to pay trash or water or cable or even have a cell phone. Lets say you have to eat a decent meal 2 times a day. lets say food is 150.00 monthly for one person concidering you might invite someone over once a month. add another 1800. we are now at 10,800.00 and we haven't seen a doctor, put gas in our car, bought any clothes/shoes. Gone out to eat even once. Had to fix our car/pay car insurance. Haven't paid any health insurance. gotten a pair of glassess, gone to a dentist. You know all those basic needs that anyone living DESERVES! Now lets say you have a car payment, Maybe you have an oil/ propane or natural gas depending on if you live in a mobile home or rented house. You may need renters insurance. Now that will probably be an added 2800 conservitive.that brings it to 13,600. and you still haven't seen a doctor/glasses/put gas in car for a year/clothes/shoes/paid any insurance. Or even taken a vacation which ALL deserve. Let's not forget all the taxes you have to pay out of your check, taxes on all you buy and you haven't bought soap/shampoo/detergent/toilet paper/toothpaste/any other necessity. This living with just basics and NO luxury in your life. Really? Life insurance? Come on all of you that have money in your pocket, you'll never ever know what's it like to want just a little something, anything to make you feel like your living life and not just getting by till you die!
Thirty Bills, our home was built in 1953 and rustic for sure not to mention I rarely water the yards because it's way to expensive,it's not real pretty but it's home.
Godfather.
but its home
No shiny paint, stucco work, or beautiful windows can substitute for the warmth and love that truly make a home a home.
mine was built in 51 or 52, is under 800 square feet for me, my wife, and our two daughters. it's all in what you make it, as you said.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Yesterday I went to mcdonalds for the first time in over a year at 0500 for a coffee because Starbucks wasn't open yet. I waited at the window for about three minutes and then when this worker was walking to the window she did one of those wipe the nose with her sleeve from wrist to elbow moves, handed me the coffee, and closed the window. No thank you, no have a good day, not a word.
The only thing $15/hr will get her is unemployment.
Minimum wage has been raised twice since I started working and both times the Market-ites claimed the sky would fall and unemployment would take its place. It didn't. People still spent their dollars and employers still paid them out and collected more than they gave. That's how the market works in reality. People spending money on trinkets and baubles and $7 cups of coffee which they couldn't afford until minimum wage was raised and more money went into the market and out of the vaults. That's economics 101. You have real issues with fast food workers! It must be lonely being the only skilled, hard worker out there. Walk a mile man, walk a mile! That hot, fast-action environment where nobody respects you and you grind your life away for pennies might be more of a beast than you are equal to! Maybe not. You should read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair and get a peek at the economy for which you fight. It wasn't pretty. I slogged through Atlas Shrugged, The Jungle is a blurb in comparison lol!
I think most people live below their income. By that I mean most people don't know, haven't been taught, won't learn or don't want to learn how to manage their money well. Most people would be surprised by how much better they could live by managing their money better. But that said, it's almost impossible to live decently (let alone well) on $7.25 an hour. Barbara Ehrenreich (read Nickel and Dimed) couldn't do it, I couldn't do it and I'm guessing the only way one could would be to know how to live off grid/ off the land.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
In a perfect world every person would gain themselves a skill that would require a good pay/benefit package ... now we all know we do not live in a perfect world and for whatever reason for some getting a skill/education that requires them to be well paid is not obtainable ... and for a lot of these people, they had good jobs ... and now those good jobs in likely in China.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
living wages is part of a social infrastructure that recognizes that collectively, as a society, everyone is better off when everyone else prospers ... it achieves this through collective priorities such as health care, education and wages ...
the purpose of a living wage is also symbolic of a society that believes everyone should not go hungry and that they have the basic necessities of life ...
it is also a recognition that the world is interconnected in many ways and that how we treat the working class has consequences beyond profit and loss statements ...
Bravo! It matters most what people earn at the bottom of the skills ladder. These people perform the jobs that keep us all free to do the fun stuff in life and live the dream. They shouldn't be regarded as lesser members of our social structure. They are the ones that give the more fortunates' the freedom and time to enjoy life. They should earn a wage that gives them full access to a meaningful life. You know, a decent place to live, good food, a pension, maybe a vacation out of country here and there. Most important of all is self respect and dignity, so they pass this along to their children. Otherwise you get what we have today....dissent everywhere!
In joyous part.
I remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.
A CEO can make $10,000 an hour and nobody says anything. Allow fast food workers to make $10 an hour and all hell is gonna break loose. I don't buy it.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
As much as one would want to think all have the wherewithal to learn a skill or go to college to get a good job, many either don't have the intellect or have had the support system to understand what it takes.
As to raising minimum wage it would keep food on tables and reduce stress on these people so that maybe their kids would be able to do better in school and have better work ethic as parents wouldn't be on welfare and or resort to illegal means if making ends meet.
As much as one would want to think all have the wherewithal to learn a skill or go to college to get a good job, many either don't have the intellect or have had the support system to understand what it takes.
As to raising minimum wage it would keep food on tables and reduce stress on these people so that maybe their kids would be able to do better in school and have better work ethic as parents wouldn't be on welfare and or resort to illegal means if making ends meet.
Poverty is at the root of most crimes.
A proactive step to curbing the growing violence we are experiencing is giving people a chance to comfortably raise their children so those children have a chance to grow into positive and productive people- instead of angry and hostile people having grown accustomed to an indifferent society that expects them to work for pesos and smile while they do it.
Yesterday I went to mcdonalds for the first time in over a year at 0500 for a coffee because Starbucks wasn't open yet. I waited at the window for about three minutes and then when this worker was walking to the window she did one of those wipe the nose with her sleeve from wrist to elbow moves, handed me the coffee, and closed the window. No thank you, no have a good day, not a word.
The only thing $15/hr will get her is unemployment.
Maybe so but you do realize that Starbucks pays their part time employees $10.00 per hour + and offers them health insurance, right? Maybe that's why you get a smile and proper personal hygiene habits and go there? Unless you're a coffee snob? I wonder why the unemployment rate for college grads is 3% or better?
I go to McDonalds and ask for a coffee. They ask me if I want cream and sugar, and then prepare my coffee
I go to Dunkin and ask for a coffee. They ask me if I want cream and sugar, and then prepare my coffee
I go to Starbucks and ask for coffee. They look at me real weird, because I DID NOT ask for a mocha, frappe, Latte, sprinkled with nut meg and brussel sprouts. Then they tell me to get my own cream and sugar. I look at their little tip jar they have sitting on the counter, and just laugh.
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I go to McDonalds and ask for a coffee. They ask me if I want cream and sugar, and then prepare my coffee
I go to Dunkin and ask for a coffee. They ask me if I want cream and sugar, and then prepare my coffee
I go to Starbucks and ask for coffee. They look at me real weird, because I DID NOT ask for a mocha, frappe, Latte, sprinkled with nut meg and brussel sprouts. Then they tell me to get my own cream and sugar. I look at their little tip jar they have sitting on the counter, and just laugh.
But at least you got to listen to jazz music and absorb pastel colors. And the cups are way cooler too. You're really hip in Starbucks. You just can't put a price on that.
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Godfather.
Godfather.
California is definitely a very diverse place, Chadwick, both in climate, topography and people but lot's of places that were one affordable are very expensive now. I live in SF from 1969 to 1973. The last place I lived in there was a very nice upstairs three bedroom flat that overlooked much of the city, included use of the garage, small yard and rooftop and cost my two roommates and I $200 a month. During that time, two of us worked for a company that made cloth calendars and aprons and we both made just barely over minimum wage and the other guy worked retail in a department store. Imagine that! Even adjusting for inflation, things were much less expensive then. No way could I live there now. Today people think of a living wage there terms of a salary rather than hourly wages.
but its home
No shiny paint, stucco work, or beautiful windows can substitute for the warmth and love that truly make a home a home.
Positive outcome will be... Many more jobs in the automation repair vocation.
can you tell me a job that a person makes min. wage that can be replaced by machines?
it's already happening.
Godfather.
have you ever noticed how perfect and exact weight of a burger is at these places ?....min.wage wont do that.
or the soda machines at 7/11...gone are the day's of a soda jerk, or how about hand painted toy's,dishes or cars..
robotic's have been and will be the future and demise of the unskilled worker taking min.wage along with them.
Godfather.
Yep.
The only reason companies have not completely automated. Gotta keep the groundlings content.
If the groundlings...that would be most of our population, ever united. The uppers would be a bit freaked out.
The only reason companies have not completely automated. Gotta keep the groundlings content.
which is one good point of a union,a union can slow the process of out sourcing but a union contract that is negociated with the company and it's attorneys and is usally deep with gray areas and loop holes that the companys keep as an ace up their sleeves...all union contracts are tilted/worded towards the companys in a genious way that the underlings can't see ,I have seen this with both unions I have been a member of and witnessed it in other unions...shit I'm derailing the topic
Godfather.
Calculating a living wage across the United States
I liked this comment that was offered on this page:
ok lets say you rent an apt for 600.00 a month and that is cheap.That's 7200.00 a yr. Electric- on average is 100.00(heating months and cooling months) add another 1200. landline at least 55.00 a month add another 660.00 Lets just say you don't have to pay trash or water or cable or even have a cell phone. Lets say you have to eat a decent meal 2 times a day. lets say food is 150.00 monthly for one person concidering you might invite someone over once a month. add another 1800. we are now at 10,800.00 and we haven't seen a doctor, put gas in our car, bought any clothes/shoes. Gone out to eat even once. Had to fix our car/pay car insurance. Haven't paid any health insurance. gotten a pair of glassess, gone to a dentist. You know all those basic needs that anyone living DESERVES! Now lets say you have a car payment, Maybe you have an oil/ propane or natural gas depending on if you live in a mobile home or rented house. You may need renters insurance. Now that will probably be an added 2800 conservitive.that brings it to 13,600. and you still haven't seen a doctor/glasses/put gas in car for a year/clothes/shoes/paid any insurance. Or even taken a vacation which ALL deserve. Let's not forget all the taxes you have to pay out of your check, taxes on all you buy and you haven't bought soap/shampoo/detergent/toilet paper/toothpaste/any other necessity. This living with just basics and NO luxury in your life. Really? Life insurance? Come on all of you that have money in your pocket, you'll never ever know what's it like to want just a little something, anything to make you feel like your living life and not just getting by till you die!
mine was built in 51 or 52, is under 800 square feet for me, my wife, and our two daughters. it's all in what you make it, as you said.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I'm sitting here laughing because I noticed the unions 4 workers tag. And I still can't stop laughing at them.
The only thing $15/hr will get her is unemployment.
You should read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair and get a peek at the economy for which you fight. It wasn't pretty. I slogged through Atlas Shrugged, The Jungle is a blurb in comparison lol!
Grocery store checkout lines. They have those self scan lines at Home Depot too.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
It matters most what people earn at the bottom of the skills ladder. These people perform the jobs that keep us all free to do the fun stuff in life and live the dream. They shouldn't be regarded as lesser members of our social structure. They are the ones that give the more fortunates' the freedom and time to enjoy life. They should earn a wage that gives them full access to a meaningful life. You know, a decent place to live, good food, a pension, maybe a vacation out of country here and there. Most important of all is self respect and dignity, so they pass this along to their children. Otherwise you get what we have today....dissent everywhere!
In joyous part.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Godfather.
As to raising minimum wage it would keep food on tables and reduce stress on these people so that maybe their kids would be able to do better in school and have better work ethic as parents wouldn't be on welfare and or resort to illegal means if making ends meet.
A proactive step to curbing the growing violence we are experiencing is giving people a chance to comfortably raise their children so those children have a chance to grow into positive and productive people- instead of angry and hostile people having grown accustomed to an indifferent society that expects them to work for pesos and smile while they do it.
Peace
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I go to McDonalds and ask for a coffee.
They ask me if I want cream and sugar, and then prepare my coffee
I go to Dunkin and ask for a coffee.
They ask me if I want cream and sugar, and then prepare my coffee
I go to Starbucks and ask for coffee.
They look at me real weird, because I DID NOT ask for a mocha, frappe, Latte,
sprinkled with nut meg and brussel sprouts.
Then they tell me to get my own cream and sugar.
I look at their little tip jar they have sitting on the counter, and just laugh.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....