Yeah, that settles it. "I'm smart, and you're not, so there!"
Obamacare is responsible for, oh, about $0 of the deficit. You just had to throw it in there though, didn't ya? You're not the only person who, you know, knows stuff.
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Romney Campaign: We Will Not 'Be Dictated By Fact-Checkers'
TAMPA, Fla. -- The Romney campaign said on Tuesday that its ads attacking President Obama's waiver policy on welfare have been its most effective to date. And while the spots have been roundly criticized as lacking any factual basis, the campaign said it didn't really care.
"We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers," Romney pollster Neil Newhouse said at a panel organized by ABC News.
This is a different standard than the one Romney himself has held up for the election-season ad wars. Reacting to attacks by a pro-Obama super PAC, Romney recently told a radio station that "in the past, when people pointed out that something was inaccurate, why, campaigns pulled the ad."
The presumptive nominee's top communications hand, Eric Ferhnstrom, was quick to make the case that the two instances were not comparable.
"This is a good discussion to have," he said. "We are not accusing the president of being a felon, we are not accusing him of killing somebody."
The latter was in referrence to the Priorities USA Action ad that tied the closure of a steel mill by Bain Capital to a woman's death several years later (without her husband's insurance coverage, she couldn't pay for care).
"Clearly they are giving states the option to change the welfare-to-work requirement," Ferhnstrom said in reference to the basis for the anti-Obama ad. "We heard from those [Republican] governors [who requested waivers], they said, 'No we don't want to change the work requirement in our states.'"
-- Sam Stein
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Romney Campaign: We Will Not 'Be Dictated By Fact-Checkers'
TAMPA, Fla. -- The Romney campaign said on Tuesday that its ads attacking President Obama's waiver policy on welfare have been its most effective to date. And while the spots have been roundly criticized as lacking any factual basis, the campaign said it didn't really care.
"We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers," Romney pollster Neil Newhouse said at a panel organized by ABC News.
This is a different standard than the one Romney himself has held up for the election-season ad wars. Reacting to attacks by a pro-Obama super PAC, Romney recently told a radio station that "in the past, when people pointed out that something was inaccurate, why, campaigns pulled the ad."
The presumptive nominee's top communications hand, Eric Ferhnstrom, was quick to make the case that the two instances were not comparable.
"This is a good discussion to have," he said. "We are not accusing the president of being a felon, we are not accusing him of killing somebody."
The latter was in referrence to the Priorities USA Action ad that tied the closure of a steel mill by Bain Capital to a woman's death several years later (without her husband's insurance coverage, she couldn't pay for care).
"Clearly they are giving states the option to change the welfare-to-work requirement," Ferhnstrom said in reference to the basis for the anti-Obama ad. "We heard from those [Republican] governors [who requested waivers], they said, 'No we don't want to change the work requirement in our states.'"
-- Sam Stein
Question - what does this have to do with the thread? Just curious. The thread's about a government program, or programs, not cheerleading political parties.
Question - what does this have to do with the thread? Just curious. The thread's about a government program, or programs, not cheerleading political parties.
Because your are waiving pom poms for Romney's devious campaign attack regarding welfare, so the fact that the attack is not truthful is certainly relevant.
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Question - what does this have to do with the thread? Just curious. The thread's about a government program, or programs, not cheerleading political parties.
Because your are waiving pom poms for Romney's devious campaign attack regarding welfare, so the fact that the attack is not truthful is certainly relevant.
I could not care less about Romney and I'm not a supporter. I have no idea what you're talking about. Now, let's ask you, are you a pro-Obama fellow? ummm.. Yep. All fine, but I'm not bringing up political parties or people - you are. I was simply trying to discuss an "issue". How we got here, why they are doing and so on...
To summarize - the thread is on the government actively trying to boost demand for welfare, not political parties and their dim-witted leaders.
I already addressed all your issues about "expanding welfare demand" and "budget busting" with logical responses, and I see no need to argue in circles.
I am an Obama supporter but in general I am opposed to things like perpetual welfare, affirmative action, racial quotas and shit like that. I think the Clinton welfare reforms of the 90s did a great deal to reduce abuse in the welfare system and i have no problem with the way the Obama Admin (or the Bush Admin for that matter) has handled the program. And I stand by my case that welfare is, if anything, a minuscule contributor to the national debt.
My main reason for supporting Democrats is to stop Republicans from evil things like aggressive warfare and allowing our natural environment to be run roughshod over. I used to vote for Republicans until Bush and then the Tea Party happened.
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I could not care less about Romney and I'm not a supporter. I have no idea what you're talking about. Now, let's ask you, are you a pro-Obama fellow? ummm.. Yep. All fine, but I'm not bringing up political parties or people - you are. I was simply trying to discuss an "issue". How we got here, why they are doing and so on...
To summarize - the thread is on the government actively trying to boost demand for welfare, not political parties and their dim-witted leaders.
You were the first to bring up parties and suggest that the marketing being done to get the word out to more people about food stamp availability was a political move. You were also the first to bring up "pom poms". Just asking "why" about something begs for circular go-arounds, like when a 5 year old asks "why can't I eat 5 cookies" 20 minutes before dinner.
Why are they marketing? Beacause there a many people who qualify for food stamps that aren't accessing it. This does not "boost demand for welfare". The demand is already there, they are saying if you want it, this is what it is and how you access it.
For someone who gets his undies in a bunch about staying on topic, you're going all over the place. If you don't think more money should be spent on public assistance when we're running a deficit, then make the thread about that.
Ha ha... just because I don't go step-line with a liberal ideology doesn't mean I'm echoing Romney's campaign. Just like I disagree with Obama, I disagree with Romney. I think they both suck. I think Romney's full of shit in regards to being for "lean government", basically and I don't agree with Republicans at all on defense/war/immigration, etc. Why I'm defending how I don't like a politician in a thread that has nothing to do with politicians/political parties is beyond me though. This really shows the pom-pom nature of people in MT these days.
I already addressed all your issues about "expanding welfare demand" and "budget busting" with logical responses, and I see no need to argue in circles.
I don't agree - but, I'd say if you feel that way - then leave the thread, don't derail it.
I am an Obama supporter but in general I am opposed to things like perpetual welfare, affirmative action, racial quotas and shit like that. I think the Clinton welfare reforms of the 90s did a great deal to reduce abuse in the welfare system and i have no problem with the way the Obama Admin (or the Bush Admin for that matter) has handled the program. And I stand by my case that welfare is, if anything, a minuscule contributor to the national debt.
Perpetual welfare and the issue discussed in this thread are linked.
My main reason for supporting Democrats is to stop Republicans from evil things like aggressive warfare and allowing our natural environment to be run roughshod over. I used to vote for Republicans until Bush and then the Tea Party happened.
Fair-enough - stop the evil Republicans then. I seriously think you'd benefit from reading this:
I could not care less about Romney and I'm not a supporter. I have no idea what you're talking about. Now, let's ask you, are you a pro-Obama fellow? ummm.. Yep. All fine, but I'm not bringing up political parties or people - you are. I was simply trying to discuss an "issue". How we got here, why they are doing and so on...
To summarize - the thread is on the government actively trying to boost demand for welfare, not political parties and their dim-witted leaders.
You were the first to bring up parties and suggest that the marketing being done to get the word out to more people about food stamp availability was a political move. You were also the first to bring up "pom poms". Just asking "why" about something begs for circular go-arounds, like when a 5 year old asks "why can't I eat 5 cookies" 20 minutes before dinner.
Why are they marketing? Beacause there a many people who qualify for food stamps that aren't accessing it. This does not "boost demand for welfare". The demand is already there, they are saying if you want it, this is what it is and how you access it.
For someone who gets his undies in a bunch about staying on topic, you're going all over the place. If you don't think more money should be spent on public assistance when we're running a deficit, then make the thread about that.
We present logical responses to his concerns of federal money spent on welfare, he calls us partisan hacks, and backs it up by saying he hates both guys. He must be right if he hates both of 'em, right?
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You were the first to bring up parties and suggest that the marketing being done to get the word out to more people about food stamp availability was a political move.
No, I didn't bring up parties first. You're wrong. Cosmo did. Re-read the thread.
Yes, that's because, in my opinion, people such as yourself can't discuss an "issue" without bringing in your need for the political football game aspect - particularly during election season.
Why are they marketing? Beacause there a many people who qualify for food stamps that aren't accessing it. This does not "boost demand for welfare". The demand is already there, they are saying if you want it, this is what it is and how you access it.
If you don't like the thread - don't come in it. I asked a question and posted something that wonders why our broke government is trying to get people to refrain from assistance from private enterprise (like family, friends). It's an interesting question. I figured it could be an interesting discussion.
Demand is a tricky word with government services because the person who consumes it is not "paying". Yet, they could get the service (let's say - food stamps). I'd argue that due to this, one can certainly say demand (or at very least - quantity demanded) is increasing for food stamps because of programs trying to increase enrollment.
For someone who gets his undies in a bunch about staying on topic, you're going all over the place. If you don't think more money should be spent on public assistance when we're running a deficit, then make the thread about that.
I did make a thread about it. You're reading it right now.
Title is an Boldface LIE - the government not seeking any recruits for welfare
The website is a good resource.
• www.usa.govOfficial site
o Customer service 800-333-4636
USA.gov: Home page of the U.S. Government's Official Web Portal for all government transactions, services, and information. It provides direct online access to ...
o Jobs and Education
o Benefits and Grants
o Government Jobs
o A-Z List of Agencies
o Money and Taxes
o Federal Government
o Unclaimed Money
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SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
Title is an Boldface LIE - the government not seeking any recruits for welfare
The website is a good resource.
• http://www.usa.govOfficial site
o Customer service 800-333-4636
USA.gov: Home page of the U.S. Government's Official Web Portal for all government transactions, services, and information. It provides direct online access to ...
o Jobs and Education
o Benefits and Grants
o Government Jobs
o A-Z List of Agencies
o Money and Taxes
o Federal Government
o Unclaimed Money
o Agency Contacts
WASHINGTON, April 6, 2011 - Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack today announced that USDA will award grants to improve access to and increase participation in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP).
****Snap = Food Stamps. This is one example of actively seeking new recruits for welfare. But, there are plenty of other examples.
If you don't like the thread - don't come in it. I asked a question and posted something that wonders why our broke government is trying to get people to refrain from assistance from private enterprise (like family, friends). It's an interesting question. I figured it could be an interesting discussion.
I did make a thread about it. You're reading it right now.
I didn't say I didn't like it, it's just that I can recall AMT getting a stern lecture from you when we went off topic on one of your threads before. It's good to know you're Joe Flexible now.
You might be making a leap when you say the government is trying to get people to refrain from assistance from private enterprise. Again, I would say that they want people to know services are available and what the services are. At that point, the person is still free to stay with support from family, etc. It's an option for them to weigh out.
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Well then....
So is Paul Krugman
True. He's a Keynesian to the utmost degree.
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Yeah, that settles it.
Obamacare is responsible for, oh, about $0 of the deficit. You just had to throw it in there though, didn't ya? You're not the only person who, you know, knows stuff.
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Question - what does this have to do with the thread? Just curious. The thread's about a government program, or programs, not cheerleading political parties.
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Because your are waiving pom poms for Romney's devious campaign attack regarding welfare, so the fact that the attack is not truthful is certainly relevant.
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I could not care less about Romney and I'm not a supporter. I have no idea what you're talking about. Now, let's ask you, are you a pro-Obama fellow? ummm.. Yep. All fine, but I'm not bringing up political parties or people - you are. I was simply trying to discuss an "issue". How we got here, why they are doing and so on...
To summarize - the thread is on the government actively trying to boost demand for welfare, not political parties and their dim-witted leaders.
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keeps them docile and just plain needy...
can anyone say baaaaaaaaaaa...
all that and a blade of grass is addicting as hell and contagious.
Name of the game take take take...
get away with what you can ... people used to be too proud.
I already addressed all your issues about "expanding welfare demand" and "budget busting" with logical responses, and I see no need to argue in circles.
I am an Obama supporter but in general I am opposed to things like perpetual welfare, affirmative action, racial quotas and shit like that. I think the Clinton welfare reforms of the 90s did a great deal to reduce abuse in the welfare system and i have no problem with the way the Obama Admin (or the Bush Admin for that matter) has handled the program. And I stand by my case that welfare is, if anything, a minuscule contributor to the national debt.
My main reason for supporting Democrats is to stop Republicans from evil things like aggressive warfare and allowing our natural environment to be run roughshod over. I used to vote for Republicans until Bush and then the Tea Party happened.
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Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
You were the first to bring up parties and suggest that the marketing being done to get the word out to more people about food stamp availability was a political move. You were also the first to bring up "pom poms". Just asking "why" about something begs for circular go-arounds, like when a 5 year old asks "why can't I eat 5 cookies" 20 minutes before dinner.
Why are they marketing? Beacause there a many people who qualify for food stamps that aren't accessing it. This does not "boost demand for welfare". The demand is already there, they are saying if you want it, this is what it is and how you access it.
For someone who gets his undies in a bunch about staying on topic, you're going all over the place. If you don't think more money should be spent on public assistance when we're running a deficit, then make the thread about that.
Ha ha... just because I don't go step-line with a liberal ideology doesn't mean I'm echoing Romney's campaign. Just like I disagree with Obama, I disagree with Romney. I think they both suck. I think Romney's full of shit in regards to being for "lean government", basically and I don't agree with Republicans at all on defense/war/immigration, etc. Why I'm defending how I don't like a politician in a thread that has nothing to do with politicians/political parties is beyond me though. This really shows the pom-pom nature of people in MT these days.
I don't agree - but, I'd say if you feel that way - then leave the thread, don't derail it.
Perpetual welfare and the issue discussed in this thread are linked.
Fair-enough - stop the evil Republicans then. I seriously think you'd benefit from reading this:
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We present logical responses to his concerns of federal money spent on welfare, he calls us partisan hacks, and backs it up by saying he hates both guys. He must be right if he hates both of 'em, right?
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No, I didn't bring up parties first. You're wrong. Cosmo did. Re-read the thread.
Yes, that's because, in my opinion, people such as yourself can't discuss an "issue" without bringing in your need for the political football game aspect - particularly during election season.
Circular go-arounds are what MT does. You want everyone to completely agree with you?
If you don't like the thread - don't come in it. I asked a question and posted something that wonders why our broke government is trying to get people to refrain from assistance from private enterprise (like family, friends). It's an interesting question. I figured it could be an interesting discussion.
Demand is a tricky word with government services because the person who consumes it is not "paying". Yet, they could get the service (let's say - food stamps). I'd argue that due to this, one can certainly say demand (or at very least - quantity demanded) is increasing for food stamps because of programs trying to increase enrollment.
I did make a thread about it. You're reading it right now.
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Yep.
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The website is a good resource.
• www.usa.govOfficial site
o Customer service 800-333-4636
USA.gov: Home page of the U.S. Government's Official Web Portal for all government transactions, services, and information. It provides direct online access to ...
o Jobs and Education
o Benefits and Grants
o Government Jobs
o A-Z List of Agencies
o Money and Taxes
o Federal Government
o Unclaimed Money
o Agency Contacts
Ummm... no, it's actually not:
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?contentid=2011/04/0154.xml&navid=NEWS_RELEASE&navtype=RT&parentnav=LATEST_RELEASES&edeployment_action=retrievecontent
WASHINGTON, April 6, 2011 - Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack today announced that USDA will award grants to improve access to and increase participation in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP).
****Snap = Food Stamps. This is one example of actively seeking new recruits for welfare. But, there are plenty of other examples.
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I didn't say I didn't like it, it's just that I can recall AMT getting a stern lecture from you when we went off topic on one of your threads before. It's good to know you're Joe Flexible now.
You might be making a leap when you say the government is trying to get people to refrain from assistance from private enterprise. Again, I would say that they want people to know services are available and what the services are. At that point, the person is still free to stay with support from family, etc. It's an option for them to weigh out.