I don't discount your view, Drifting, but I'd like to know then, if that is indeed the case, do you have an opinion/theory on why the Catholic church, the most powerful entity on the planet, is so against it? What is their anti-homosexuality agenda if what you say is true that it's a simple case of misunderstanding of a historical text?
you seem very well versed on the subject, so I just want to make abuduntantly clear that I'm being genuine in my questions, and not at all challenging.
I think I've read that up until the 19th century homosexuality wasn't against the church . let me find a link
And on your post below my uncle who is gay is also catholic and very good friends with a couple of priests, he and his husband have them around for dinner every so often
Has anyone else seen the program on one of those cable channels (I think it was Science, or maybe Discovery) where they theorized that debris from an impact of an asteroid (or was it a comet?) that hit the Swiss Alps is what landed on the area where Sodom, Gomorrah and a few other cities were at the time? The evidence they found matched up perfectly. I found it very convincing. Basically, fire and brimstone really did rain down on these people and most were incinerated immediately. A Christian would say this is how God chose to do it, but why wouldn't God just hit them directly... and by the way, the dust in the atmosphere from this explosion caused agricultural failure around the world for decades... was God punishing everyone else too?
I think it's just another case of people using myth to explain shocking natural events. The myths about the Great Deluge is another prime example. I think that the desert dwellers who founded the Hebrew faith just didn't understand the sophistication of cities like Sodom and Gomorrah and therefore claimed that they met their demise because they were "proud before God" or because they tolerated homosexuality. As if other cities at the time weren't the same. Nothing has changed, really... the deeply religious people out in the country continue to claim that the irreligious people in the cities are to blame for our problems. I think we're all equally to blame.
Its like saying in August- wasnt a hurricane and a earthquake enough for Wall Street?
Proud before a humble "God" is saying I am better than you, in a spiritual quest to become God (which the cosmos wants for infinitum purposes... like the Rosicrucians say the possibility...) it is not respect and contrary to equality of the teachings of "god" of respecting each other as a divine beings no matter where you are upon your spiritual evolution. The greater humble "God" actually has the karmic capacity (Divine Intervention) and override your ass, end timelines in the purpose of the correct growth and Creation and expansion of the universe. (Override, including but not limited to this dreaded timeline but laws of physics and dimensional time travel. )
So if God came down with fire and brimstone, and you thought you were a good servant and you were annihilated or had to survive such a disaster, I ask the question, "Would you think God was the Devil?" "would you be pissed you had to live through such things or happy you lived because God spared your life?" OR God said screw this, and said follow me to a better land and did you listen and escape the toil of fire and brimstone all together?
Let's assume for a second that the bible does say that homosexuality is a sin (I'm not saying it does).
It also says a lot of other things are sins, too. In fact, it basically says EVERYONE is a sinner.
So why is the "sin" of homosexuality any worse than the multitude of sins that we're all committing?
I'm a pretty faithful Christian, but the religion I follow is much more about Love and Forgiveness than anything else. Singling out one particular sin and condemning it over and over is not what it's about in my opinion.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Let's assume for a second that the bible does say that homosexuality is a sin (I'm not saying it does).
It also says a lot of other things are sins, too. In fact, it basically says EVERYONE is a sinner.
So why is the "sin" of homosexuality any worse than the multitude of sins that we're all committing?
I'm a pretty faithful Christian, but the religion I follow is much more about Love and Forgiveness than anything else. Singling out one particular sin and condemning it over and over is not what it's about in my opinion.
Imagine. God has like 7.5 billion people to deal with here on Earth alone, its easier for God to give you choice and correct yourself and forgive you. You might have to make it up in a different lifetimes learning all the cause and effect of the crimes you have committed. For a God its like being a wise and justful parent wanting to see all the children succeed.
most books written in the 1970s are currently outdated, yet some want to govern and live based on a book(s) written thousands of years ago. yup makes sense to me :roll:
shut the fuck up. i say that to all sortsa folks quite often actually. out of amazement for the better or worse.
do not harm others. be well, live and learn. simple shit. you can have 13 boy friends if ya like. this man can be as gay as it gets. this man as the opposite. who gives a shit? lesbians too.
the bible flat out has me in deep troubles. i am a full on sinner. holy fucking shit.
guess what?
suck my nuts... that's what i have to say about that! my sins, some private. let's don't talk about the women of chadwick. hell fucking no...
but guess what? i am a very nice person. i don't let anything but my insides tell different. i know i am fine.
i would be fine if i liked men. i would have several man friends that i would be playing with. i would still be chadwick even what with all the other stuff i'm up too.
i'm not burning in hell for being gay. we all are not burning in hell for being gay. chant this many times throughout the day. spray paint a church with it
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Forget the ice cream fellatio...is that a beige polo? Gross.
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I think I've read that up until the 19th century homosexuality wasn't against the church . let me find a link
And on your post below my uncle who is gay is also catholic and very good friends with a couple of priests, he and his husband have them around for dinner every so often
I think it's just another case of people using myth to explain shocking natural events. The myths about the Great Deluge is another prime example. I think that the desert dwellers who founded the Hebrew faith just didn't understand the sophistication of cities like Sodom and Gomorrah and therefore claimed that they met their demise because they were "proud before God" or because they tolerated homosexuality. As if other cities at the time weren't the same. Nothing has changed, really... the deeply religious people out in the country continue to claim that the irreligious people in the cities are to blame for our problems. I think we're all equally to blame.
Proud before a humble "God" is saying I am better than you, in a spiritual quest to become God (which the cosmos wants for infinitum purposes... like the Rosicrucians say the possibility...) it is not respect and contrary to equality of the teachings of "god" of respecting each other as a divine beings no matter where you are upon your spiritual evolution. The greater humble "God" actually has the karmic capacity (Divine Intervention) and override your ass, end timelines in the purpose of the correct growth and Creation and expansion of the universe. (Override, including but not limited to this dreaded timeline but laws of physics and dimensional time travel.
So if God came down with fire and brimstone, and you thought you were a good servant and you were annihilated or had to survive such a disaster, I ask the question, "Would you think God was the Devil?" "would you be pissed you had to live through such things or happy you lived because God spared your life?" OR God said screw this, and said follow me to a better land and did you listen and escape the toil of fire and brimstone all together?
Questions to ask yourself.
Let's assume for a second that the bible does say that homosexuality is a sin (I'm not saying it does).
It also says a lot of other things are sins, too. In fact, it basically says EVERYONE is a sinner.
So why is the "sin" of homosexuality any worse than the multitude of sins that we're all committing?
I'm a pretty faithful Christian, but the religion I follow is much more about Love and Forgiveness than anything else. Singling out one particular sin and condemning it over and over is not what it's about in my opinion.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
funny people make the world go round
do not harm others. be well, live and learn. simple shit. you can have 13 boy friends if ya like. this man can be as gay as it gets. this man as the opposite. who gives a shit? lesbians too.
the bible flat out has me in deep troubles. i am a full on sinner. holy fucking shit.
guess what?
suck my nuts... that's what i have to say about that! my sins, some private. let's don't talk about the women of chadwick. hell fucking no...
but guess what? i am a very nice person. i don't let anything but my insides tell different. i know i am fine.
i would be fine if i liked men. i would have several man friends that i would be playing with. i would still be chadwick even what with all the other stuff i'm up too.
i'm not burning in hell for being gay. we all are not burning in hell for being gay. chant this many times throughout the day. spray paint a church with it
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I've never really gotten how someone's sex life - straight, gay or otherwise - is the business of anyone else.
How someone else's life, period, is anyone's business but their own.
Well Said Sweet!! :thumbup:
It all comes down to changing your head~~John Lennon
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