The Palestinian Children In Israel's Jails

your move now

I think that palestinian attacks may be a result of Israels' illegal occupation but not justified by it, surely you can see the distinction?
In terms of whether we should intefere/keep our noses out? I find it interesting how when "we" US/Aus/Westerners who think they know best get involved we say what choice do we have, but when we choose not to get involved we say it's not our place etc etc.

It's all bullshit







....and your a twit

SweetChildofMine

Why thank you.


Human Right abuses are just that. Plain and simple. I dont think its a matter of sticking our noses into things or rightousness. Its a matter of recognizing "the why" in roots/common threads of the constant factor of millions defiled people around the world and bringing justice the horrible terrors committed by mankind.

Byrnzie

your move now wrote:

I find it interesting how when "we" US/Aus/Westerners who think they know best get involved we say what choice do we have, but when we choose not to get involved we say it's not our place etc etc.

I don't think the Western powers have ever asked 'What choice do we have?' with regards the Middle East, and they've also never said that it's not their place either.

The whole World supports a full Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories, and the U.S has stood alone in the World for the past 40 years in blocking any peaceful settlement.

Anyway, we're off topic. This thread is about Israel's illegal treatment of Palestinian children in it's jails.

your move now wrote:

....and your a twit

I am a twit when I'm not being a twat.

SweetChildofMine

I agree.

Atrocities committed against children.

People send me videos daily of children getting their heads blown off, bodies stoned or smashed and so forth. An ugly truth. Sad thing is "this is" all these children have ever known.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lygCy1AZGQ4

your move now

Generally, I've heard all sorts from all western countries - would have to rewatch old Q&A to get names and quotes - talk about when and where we interfere.

I don't believe in death, I guess I'm lucky I've never been in that situation myself so is all just hypothetical but the ends does not justify the means for me, especially if it involves faceless killing. By anyone

I do find it somewhat odd that we're arguing when we're essentially on the same side though of this specific issue. And we were getting along so well.







That word is totally offensive, even if I am just pretending to be a chick

Byrnzie

your move now wrote:

That word is totally offensive, even if I am just pretending to be a chick

Really? Are you a bloke?

your move now

so the rumour says....

of course the only person spreading that rumour is a .... p*** b*********

Byrnzie

your move now wrote:

so the rumour says....

of course the only person spreading that rumour is a .... p*** b*********

I see

Byrnzie

I wonder if this will have any effect? Probably not. I expect the Israeli's will cry anti-Semitism, put their million $$ pr campaign into overdrive, and brush it all under the carpet.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ja ... n-children

UK raises concerns over Israel's treatment of Palestinian children

Foreign Office minister says he has raised concerns about treatment of Palestinian children in Israeli detention


Harriet Sherwood in Jerusalem
guardian.co.uk, Monday 23 January 2012


The British government has raised concerns about Israel's treatment of Palestinian minors arrested and interrogated for stone-throwing and other crimes, highlighted in an article in the Guardian.

Alistair Burt, the Foreign Office minister for the Middle East, urged Israel to address the UK government's concerns when on a visit to the country a fortnight ago.

Burt told the Guardian he had "raised concerns about the treatment of Palestinian children in Israeli detention. I urged the Israeli government to address these concerns."

Burt was also asked in the House of Commons last week about the issue of solitary confinement for Palestinian minors. Labour MP Sandra Osborne called on the government to condemn the practice and demand the release of 106 children detained in the Israeli military prison system.

In response, Burt referred to an earlier statement in which he said the practice of shackling children was wrong. Minors are routinely shackled throughout court hearings in the Israeli military justice system.

Osborne told the Guardian Israel's treatment of Palestinian minors was "unjustified in the context of human rights". She had been appalled and distressed on visits to the Israeli military juvenile court at Ofer, near Jerusalem. "No civilised democracy should treat children in that way," she said.

The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem said the state should apply the same protection to Palestinian minors in detention that it allows to Israeli children.

B'Tselem confirmed that descriptions given to the Guardian by Palestinian juveniles of arrest, detention and interrogation under the military justice system were consistent with testimonies it had collected although mostly with over-18s.

"We have also seen long periods of solitary confinement in a small cell, with lights on 24 hours a day, with detainees unable to follow time and disconnected to the rest of the world," said B'Tselem spokeswoman Sarit Michaeli. "We have testimonies of detainees cuffed in painful positions while under interrogation and sometimes left for long periods.

"Throughout the military justice process, the rights of suspects are violated."

B'Tselem, she said, took issue with the claim by Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev that detainees alleging mistreatment would have complaints dealt with fairly. "This is disingenuous at best," she said.

A B'Tselem study last year showed that out of more than 700 complaints of abuse by Israeli Security Agency (ISA) interrogators brought between 2001 and 2011, none resulted in a criminal investigation.

The complaints were examined by an official of the ISA. "It is not surprising that in most cases the inspector determines that the complaint is not true," said B'Tselem.

In a few cases, the inspector found abuse had taken place but the file was closed without the state attorney's office ordering a criminal investigation. B'Tselem said this "transmits a message to … the potential complainants that the chances of measures being taken against the persons responsible is zero".

Regev insisted anyone who had a complaint that an Israeli official had acted in an improper fashion should bring the information to the Israeli authorities and civil courts. "It will be thoroughly investigated," he said.

He added: "Minors deserve special attention, special consideration … The test of a democracy is how you treat people incarcerated, people in jail, and especially so with minors."

B'Tselem said the provisions of Israeli youth law should formally be applied to Palestinian minors. Night-time arrests in military operations should cease; interrogations should be video-taped; minors should be questioned in the presence of a parent or lawyer; they should have their rights clearly read to them; and proper options for remand should be put in place.

Unicef, the UN agency for children, also raised concerns following the Guardian's article. Children had the "right to protection against violence and abuse," it said in a statement. Unicef was "monitoring the arrest and detention of children and is currently in dialogue with the Israeli authorities to improve the protection of child detainees … All children, at all times, must be treated with dignity and respect, in accordance with the convention on the rights of the child."

In the first 11 months of last year, 222 cases of stone-throwers were brought before the military court, according to a letter sent by the Israeli foreign ministry to Lady Scotland, who visited the Ofer court last autumn, and is writing a report on her findings.

The period from indictment to the conclusion of proceedings had dropped to an average of 92.5 days in 2011 from 167 days in 2007, the letter said.

It pointed out that "many crimes carried out by minors in [the West Bank] are of a violent ideological nature and pose a clear and imminent threat to the public … Despite the unique dilemmas in the dealing with minor suspects in [the West Bank], Israel makes significant efforts to provide for just and fair treatment throughout the entire military legal process in accordance with international standards."

Human rights organisations say Israel's treatment of Palestinian minors breaches the international convention on the rights of the child and the fourth Geneva convention.

your move now

of course they will call in anti-semitism, and further they and their supporters have huge financial advantage over the Palestinians which we all know makes a big difference

catefrances

take away religion in this equation of oppressor and oppressed and what is left?

Byrnzie

catefrances wrote:

take away religion in this equation of oppressor and oppressed and what is left?

Colonialism. Racism. Greed.

fuck

Byrnzie wrote:

catefrances wrote:

take away religion in this equation of oppressor and oppressed and what is left?

Colonialism. Racism. Greed.

It's unfortunate that people just don't understand that at least a significant portion, if not a majority of the ideological discourse surrounding this conflict has been from secular groups/ideologues. It's not really about Jew vs. Muslim.

Byrnzie

This should be headline news. If it involved the elected officials of any other country it would be.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ja ... nt-speaker

Israel jails Palestinian parliament speaker without trial

Aziz Dweik's six-month imprisonment is an attempt by Israel to thwart reconciliation between Fatah and Hamas, says his office



Harriet Sherwood in Jerusalem
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 24 January 2012


An Israeli military court has ordered the speaker of the Palestinian legislative body to be jailed for six months without trial after he was arrested at a checkpoint last week.

Aziz Dweik, a member of Hamas and a senior elected politician, was imprisoned "without charge or legal justification", a statement from his office said. It claimed Israel was attempting to thwart moves towards reconciliation between the rival Palestinian factions Fatah and Hamas.

Dweik was arrested at a checkpoint near Ramallah last Thursday. According to reports, he was handcuffed and blindfolded by Israeli soldiers, who said he was being detained for "involvement in terrorist activities".

Dweik has been the speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council since elections six years ago. However the PLC has not sat since the summer of 2007, when Hamas – which had won elections the previous year – took control of Gaza in a bloody battle with Fatah.

The order to imprison Dweik was made the day after two Hamas politicians were arrested by Israeli police inside the east Jerusalem compound of the Red Cross, where they had sought refuge 18 months ago after being threatened with expulsion from the city.

Police said they arrested Mohammed Totah, a member of the PLC, and Khaled Abu Arafeh, a former Palestinian minister for Jerusalem affairs, on Monday for "Hamas activity in Jerusalem". Hamas is banned by Israel in the city.

The men had lived in a protest tent on Red Cross premises since July 2010, receiving visitors but not leaving the compound. The international body has no diplomatic immunity, unlike embassies.

Another Hamas PLC member, Abdel Jaber Fukaha, was arrested at his home in Ramallah this week, bringing the total number of council members in Israeli jails to 27. Nineteen have been detained without trial or charge.

The recent arrests are seen as part of an Israeli crackdown on the movement and activity of senior Palestinian figures, which is thought to be connected to moves towards reconciliation between Fatah and Hamas. Israel strongly opposes Palestinian reconciliation, believing it will give Hamas greater influence.

A statement from the Palestinian cabinet on Tuesday condemned "the continued detention campaign against [PLC] members" and demanded their immediate release.

Hanan Ashwari, a veteran Palestinian politician, said Israel was "flagrantly violating international conventions and practices" with regard to the immunity of elected officials, and was using "calculated means of coercion and power politics to interfere in Palestinian domestic affairs and to undermine democratic institutions in Palestine".

The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights said the arrests were a continuation of the targeting of elected politicians affiliated to Hamas, which it viewed as "a retaliatory act and a form of collective punishment" in breach of the Geneva conventions.

More than 300 Palestinians are held in "administrative detention" under the Israeli military system, without charge or trial, on security grounds.