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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,191
    Go Beavers wrote:

    I think differences are good, including hygiene and courtesy. It's an opportunity being offered up to step out of our "my culture is the right way" mentality that we can get into sometimes.

    If I have read this correctly, I disagree with it entirely. I don't care what culture exists, courtesy is a baseline and staple human behaviour that reflects compassion and understanding for fellow man. In Canada, with exceptions of course, we teach and extend courtesy to people as a fundamental behaviour. Disrespectful attitudes are frowned upon. Any culture that accepts selfish behaviour as normal is flat out weak and hardly one to accept or celebrate for being merely different.

    With the aforementioned said, I'm not sure which cultures are universally poor at being courteous?

    But each culture has their own definition of what courtesy is. There is no baseline definition across the globe. While Canadian culture of courtesy is appealing to me, that doesn't mean it's more or less 'normal' or is the standard for which other cultures should be measured against.
  • Go Beavers wrote:
    Go Beavers wrote:

    I think differences are good, including hygiene and courtesy. It's an opportunity being offered up to step out of our "my culture is the right way" mentality that we can get into sometimes.

    If I have read this correctly, I disagree with it entirely. I don't care what culture exists, courtesy is a baseline and staple human behaviour that reflects compassion and understanding for fellow man. In Canada, with exceptions of course, we teach and extend courtesy to people as a fundamental behaviour. Disrespectful attitudes are frowned upon. Any culture that accepts selfish behaviour as normal is flat out weak and hardly one to accept or celebrate for being merely different.

    With the aforementioned said, I'm not sure which cultures are universally poor at being courteous?

    But each culture has their own definition of what courtesy is. There is no baseline definition across the globe. While Canadian culture of courtesy is appealing to me, that doesn't mean it's more or less 'normal' or is the standard for which other cultures should be measured against.

    I get what you're saying, but I still disagree. Referencing some extremes, cannabalism is prevalent in some cultures as is polygamy. While these may be novel and unique characteristics of a distinct culture, they are distasteful and can rightfully be scorned... just as poor manners.
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  • while I'm not endorsing cannibalism, don't you think your understanding of right and wrong (and mine) are simply a result of our socialisation?
    I don't mean to offend anyone, a lot of what I say should be taken with a grain of salt... that said for most of you I'm a stranger on a computer on the other side of the world, don't give me that sort of power!
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003

    But she admitted they were inappropriate and did not reflect Coalition policy, and apologised for any offence caused.



    the coalition has a policy of smelly armpits???


    you know ive found an overabundance use of perfume to be just as, if not more offensive than any natural human smell.
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  • while I'm not endorsing cannibalism, don't you think your understanding of right and wrong (and mine) are simply a result of our socialisation?

    To some degree, yes; but I'm not talking about slurping your soup to show respect to the cook or breaking plates. I'm talking about a baseline level of respect that any human being with any level of compassion or empathy should acquire (ie. displaying a level of patience for a disabled person). If the training for acquiring appropriate social awareness has not occurred due to cultural neglect, then I say that culture is weak- poorly adapted, not fully evolved, and quite simply- prehistoric in its capacity.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    cannabalism is prevalent in some cultures...

    Such as?

    I was under the impression that cannibalism was largely a myth.
  • Byrnzie wrote:
    cannabalism is prevalent in some cultures...

    Such as?

    I was under the impression that cannibalism was largely a myth.

    Come on. Are you serious? Byrnzie... you are well-spoken on this forum, so I cannot help but wonder what this question is really intending. For the Hell of it, cannabalism has been well documented throughout history. Some South American Amazon based societies practiced cannabalism. Africa has periods of history marked with cannabalistic behaviours as well (some not so long ago).

    My point wasn't about cannabalism however, it was about addressing whether or not baseline behaviours for common courtesy should be expected from all people. And, repeating myself, yes there should. It is not okay to be a rude SOB just because your culture condones poor behaviours.
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    I bet the movie version was in "Smell-O-Vision."
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Byrnzie wrote:
    cannabalism is prevalent in some cultures...

    Such as?

    I was under the impression that cannibalism was largely a myth.

    Come on. Are you serious? Byrnzie... you are well-spoken on this forum, so I cannot help but wonder what this question is really intending. For the Hell of it, cannabalism has been well documented throughout history. Some South American Amazon based societies practiced cannabalism. Africa has periods of history marked with cannabalistic behaviours as well (some not so long ago).

    My point wasn't about cannabalism however, it was about addressing whether or not baseline behaviours for common courtesy should be expected from all people. And, repeating myself, yes there should. It is not okay to be a rude SOB just because your culture condones poor behaviours.

    I really don't know much about it, but apart from instances of cannibalism during times of famine, including the famine in China cause by Mao during 'The Great Leap Forward' between 1958-1961, I thought that most instances of cannibalism had been attributed to the fertile imaginations of Western explorers. Though I could be wrong.
    Of course I could Google it but on this occasion I'll leave it up to somebody else.
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Smellyman wrote:
    people are too easily offended.

    People growing up elsewhere may have different manners.....shocking

    just because they don't share your "manners" doesn't mean you don't offend them in other ways becuase you don't share their "manners". There is huge cultural differences in common courtesy.
    thank you. many forget this as soon as they leave their yard and cross the seas. americans are terrible w/ this.
    we go to mexico and other countries and get into trouble we think we are the utter top elitist whom can dodge laws even. why? because americans can take their country's laws across borders. this the arrogance of the white man. i say white man as it is facts. we americans do push others around and believe we are above others.

    does a black american man go to tijuana and piss in the streets whilst drunk with his college friends? answer, probably not. will we see a white american male do this act? answer, yes...and often.

    people are arrested...americans are arrested often for pissing in the alleys and other shadowy places whilst drunk as shit in mexico. this is a fact. it is largely talked about.
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  • rollingsrollings unknown Posts: 7,125
    MookiesLaw wrote:
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/liberals-sorry-for-saying-migrants-dont-know-how-to-wear-deodorant/story-fn7x8me2-1226240491026

    Well I'm not a racist but I've experienced this.
    I had members of a large migrant group stand on either side of me at the shop as I was punching in my credit card pin number, I politely told them to stand behind me and wait their turn to be served.
    So that behaviour is only ever displayed by migrants?

    It always amuses me when someone starts a conversation with I'm not a racist but.... It's almost as if they think it doesn't matter how racist they really are, they're off the hook if they prefix every prejudiced and ignorant remark with "I'm not racist."

    1) Where does this Migrant race originate from anyway? The country of Migra?

    2) FYI: I believe I'm racist against five-years olds, because those little things would cut ANY line if you let them....
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,191
    Rollings wrote:
    MookiesLaw wrote:
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/liberals-sorry-for-saying-migrants-dont-know-how-to-wear-deodorant/story-fn7x8me2-1226240491026

    Well I'm not a racist but I've experienced this.
    I had members of a large migrant group stand on either side of me at the shop as I was punching in my credit card pin number, I politely told them to stand behind me and wait their turn to be served.
    So that behaviour is only ever displayed by migrants?

    It always amuses me when someone starts a conversation with I'm not a racist but.... It's almost as if they think it doesn't matter how racist they really are, they're off the hook if they prefix every prejudiced and ignorant remark with "I'm not racist."

    1) Where does this Migrant race originate from anyway? The country of Migra?

    2) FYI: I believe I'm racist against five-years olds, because those little things would cut ANY line if you let them....

    Send the five year olds back!!!
  • rollingsrollings unknown Posts: 7,125
    while I'm not endorsing cannibalism, don't you think your understanding of right and wrong (and mine) are simply a result of our socialisation?

    To some degree, yes; but I'm not talking about slurping your soup to show respect to the cook or breaking plates. I'm talking about a baseline level of respect that any human being with any level of compassion or empathy should acquire (ie. displaying a level of patience for a disabled person). If the training for acquiring appropriate social awareness has not occurred due to cultural neglect, then I say that culture is weak- poorly adapted, not fully evolved, and quite simply- prehistoric in its capacity.

    Well, then its not their fault anyway. They can't help it if they want to go around eating each other.
    Them folks were probably just not brought up right. And maybe not enough McDonaldses in their area.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    Rollings wrote:
    2) FYI: I believe I'm racist against five-years olds, because those little things would cut ANY line if you let them....

    Only the ones with bad parents. ;)
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    When I was a floral designer, many moons ago, I worked with another young lady my age

    she did not shave and I'm guessing wear any deodorant either because woah...

    she was a great gal, from our country, so I'm drawing from this she was just making
    a natural statement. Exercising her right to be herself stinky as that may be.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    pandora wrote:
    Exercising her right to be herself stinky as that may be.

    Regardless of the impact on others. ;)

    I'm not so sure what is wrong with some social norms. But I guess people can do whatever they want, and then whenever I cross paths with them I will do whatever I feel is right. If I worked with someone with terrible BO, it would be brought up to HR for sure eventually.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    pandora wrote:
    Exercising her right to be herself stinky as that may be.

    Regardless of the impact on others. ;)

    I'm not so sure what is wrong with some social norms. But I guess people can do whatever they want, and then whenever I cross paths with them I will do whatever I feel is right. If I worked with someone with terrible BO, it would be brought up to HR for sure eventually.
    When I worked at a sawmill in the past, the superintendent sent a dude home with a bar of soap and told him not to come back until he used up the entire bar. Mind you, guys stacking boards and cutting lumber are not the most hygienic group in the world, but you could smell this guy from 20 feet away.
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Jason P wrote:
    When I worked at a sawmill in the past, the superintendent sent a dude home with a bar of soap and told him not to come back until he used up the entire bar. Mind you, guys stacking boards and cutting lumber are not the most hygienic group in the world, but you could smell this guy from 20 feet away.
    i worked at two different sawmills four different times. i showered before and after work. sure i stacked lumber all day. sure i was sweaty by 5 and 6am. sure i had sawdust stuck to me due to being wet with sweat. did i smell like shit? yes. but only at work and on my way home afterwards.

    i wonder if we worked together? did you ever rub sweat with a big goofy fucker from iowa?
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    chadwick wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    When I worked at a sawmill in the past, the superintendent sent a dude home with a bar of soap and told him not to come back until he used up the entire bar. Mind you, guys stacking boards and cutting lumber are not the most hygienic group in the world, but you could smell this guy from 20 feet away.
    i worked at two different sawmills four different times. i showered before and after work. sure i stacked lumber all day. sure i was sweaty by 5 and 6am. sure i had sawdust stuck to me due to being wet with sweat. did i smell like shit? yes. but only at work and on my way home afterwards.

    i wonder if we worked together? did you ever rub sweat with a big goofy fucker from iowa?
    I'm not sure if anyone was from Iowa, but there sure was an overabundance of big goofy fuckers that I worked with. :lol:
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