migrants don't know how to wear deodorant or queue

Thoughts_Arrive

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-n ... 6240491026

Well I'm not a racist but I've experienced this.
I had members of a large migrant group stand on either side of me at the shop as I was punching in my credit card pin number, I politely told them to stand behind me and wait their turn to be served.

rolerick

We have all been migrants at one point or another.

cincybearcat

rolerick wrote:

We have all been migrants at one point or another.

True.

And the real problem is that by generalizing an entire population in this case, now it becomes taboo to talk about the real issue...which is still it is probably true that there is a population of people that have a different set or norms then the society that they are living in. Differences are good, except when it comes to hygiene and courtesy.

I can't tell you how many stinky elevators I road on in engineering school.

Go Beavers

cincybearcat wrote:

rolerick wrote:

We have all been migrants at one point or another.

True.

And the real problem is that by generalizing an entire population in this case, now it becomes taboo to talk about the real issue...which is still it is probably true that there is a population of people that have a different set or norms then the society that they are living in. Differences are good, except when it comes to hygiene and courtesy.

I can't tell you how many stinky elevators I road on in engineering school.

I think differences are good, including hygiene and courtesy. It's an opportunity being offered up to step out of our "my culture is the right way" mentality that we can get into sometimes.

Jason P

Go Beavers wrote:

I think differences are good, including hygiene and courtesy. It's an opportunity being offered up to step out of our "my culture is the right way" mentality that we can get into sometimes.

In the case of B.O., my culture is the right way.

cincybearcat

Go Beavers wrote:

I think differences are good, including hygiene and courtesy. It's an opportunity being offered up to step out of our "my culture is the right way" mentality that we can get into sometimes.

You should ride in those elevators.

I think some of those differences are good, hygiene is not one of them. And I'm a big fan of personal space, but not everyone is apparently.

MookiesLaw

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/liberals-sorry-for-saying-migrants-dont-know-how-to-wear-deodorant/story-fn7x8me2-1226240491026

Well I'm not a racist but I've experienced this.
I had members of a large migrant group stand on either side of me at the shop as I was punching in my credit card pin number, I politely told them to stand behind me and wait their turn to be served.

So that behaviour is only ever displayed by migrants?

It always amuses me when someone starts a conversation with I'm not a racist but.... It's almost as if they think it doesn't matter how racist they really are, they're off the hook if they prefix every prejudiced and ignorant remark with "I'm not racist."

ShimmyMommy

MookiesLaw wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/liberals-sorry-for-saying-migrants-dont-know-how-to-wear-deodorant/story-fn7x8me2-1226240491026

Well I'm not a racist but I've experienced this.
I had members of a large migrant group stand on either side of me at the shop as I was punching in my credit card pin number, I politely told them to stand behind me and wait their turn to be served.

So that behaviour is only ever displayed by migrants?

It always amuses me when someone starts a conversation with I'm not a racist but.... It's almost as if they think it doesn't matter how racist they really are, they're off the hook if they prefix every prejudiced and ignorant remark with "I'm not racist."

You are correct. They think that comment is an absolution from the close-mindedness they are about to spread. I am not angry with Thoughts_Arrive, or anyone that posted. In fact, I am upset that it's even universally okay to think that it's alright to say I'm not a racist but.... before you say something generalizing. It's simply not, because if I said, "I'm not a racist but....all white people do such & such"... I would get a hailstorm of correction. It is not right for me to do it either.

I no longer find that comment amusing. When I was younger I would just pass it off. Now, I immediately say, "That's not okay to say. You are stereotyping." and/or I simply walk away. This time, I had to say something.

I have a friend who says it a lot...and also, "I'm not racist because Shimmy is my friend and she's coloured". :roll: So, am I the reason she can say racist things? So, if I wasn't coloured she wouldn't be my friend? :roll: Then, I would not rather be your friend if that will make you stop. What really makes me sad is that she makes racial comments thinking I would find them funny because I am coloured. I don't. Needless to say, I have slowly distanced myself over the years.

Yes, my parents are immigrants and yet, they bathe everyday, wear deodorant & can queue with the best of them. I was born here in Canada, speak only English, I also bathe everyday, wear deodorant, and now how to queue.

Instead of directing it at a group, just say: "I dislike it when people crowd me when I am using the debit machine, it makes me feel nervous. I feel it's necessary to bathe every day, wear deodorant, and queue correctly, because I feel it's polite behaviour."

An acquaintance had sent this video to me, and I couldn't help but feel sad because I have been on the receiving end of many of these comments, in one variation or another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylPUzxpIBe0&sns=fb

EmBleve

ShimmyMommy wrote:

Instead of directing it at a group, just say: "I dislike it when people crowd me when I am using the debit machine, it makes me feel nervous. I feel it's necessary to bathe every day, wear deodorant, and queue correctly, because I feel it's polite behaviour."

+1 I have been crowded by, and experienced foul odors from, any number of people. :?

Go Beavers

cincybearcat wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

I think differences are good, including hygiene and courtesy. It's an opportunity being offered up to step out of our "my culture is the right way" mentality that we can get into sometimes.

You should ride in those elevators.

I think some of those differences are good, hygiene is not one of them. And I'm a big fan of personal space, but not everyone is apparently.

It's funny. The only time I'm really bothered by b.o. is those guys at the gym. You know, the ones who wear the same workout clothes every day and they never wash them. I swear they seal them in plastic bags after the workout and then microwave them for full effect. Basic, 'I smell funky because of different cultural hygiene standards' don't seem to bother me a whole lot.

pandora

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-n ... 6240491026 oh she did not!
and oops she's in trouble ...

generalizing now about stinkiness ... really :?

Some years ago we had a group of Latino men put a new roof on our 4000 sq ft home
in less than a day, start to finish, in 90 degree weather

they still smelled like roses when I got em beer at days end

ONCE DEVIDED

The women who made these comments has apologised

brianlux

My experience is that different cultures tend to generally have distinctive body odors. Years ago I worked in a dorm that was populated mainly by young black men. The first few days were, franking, a little difficult because a) almost all young men have a more strong body odor and b) this particular ethnic group had a fairly distinct body odor I was unaccustomed to. After awhile, however, I didn't notice the odor much-- if at all. I have no doubt that those young black men would find a dorm full of young white guys difficult to get used to at first. Either way, it's no big deal. We're not supposed to all smell the same.

A room full of cats or dogs or reptiles or elderly women with flowery perfume or guys with musk cologne would each have a distinctive odor. Of all of the above, each of us would most likely prefer one group's odor over the other-- but that doesn't make one better or worse than the other. So why make an issue of it? If any argue should be made, perhaps it would be toward certain cultures being at least a bit too antiseptic.

Smellyman

It's a funny thing.

White expats are always complaining about the slow walkers on the streets in Hong Kong.

It's always the the expat angrily shoving their way through a crowd.

We are the migrants here, but it doesn't stop ol expats from compaining about everything constantly. Basically if it isn't exactly how it was from ~insert home town here~ then it is the "wrong" way.


EDIT: If we are going to generalise.....I have found Italians and French can't queue either.

Thoughts_Arrive

MookiesLaw wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/liberals-sorry-for-saying-migrants-dont-know-how-to-wear-deodorant/story-fn7x8me2-1226240491026

Well I'm not a racist but I've experienced this.
I had members of a large migrant group stand on either side of me at the shop as I was punching in my credit card pin number, I politely told them to stand behind me and wait their turn to be served.

So that behaviour is only ever displayed by migrants?

It always amuses me when someone starts a conversation with I'm not a racist but.... It's almost as if they think it doesn't matter how racist they really are, they're off the hook if they prefix every prejudiced and ignorant remark with "I'm not racist."

Are you calling me a racist?
If so, go fuck yourself.
I give every ethnic group a chance and am a friendly person, but when I see people that come into this country and don't adopt our culture then that is something that irks me.
And yes native people of one country don't use deoderant and push in as well, I've seen it many times.

satansbed

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

MookiesLaw wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/liberals-sorry-for-saying-migrants-dont-know-how-to-wear-deodorant/story-fn7x8me2-1226240491026

Well I'm not a racist but I've experienced this.
I had members of a large migrant group stand on either side of me at the shop as I was punching in my credit card pin number, I politely told them to stand behind me and wait their turn to be served.

So that behaviour is only ever displayed by migrants?

It always amuses me when someone starts a conversation with I'm not a racist but.... It's almost as if they think it doesn't matter how racist they really are, they're off the hook if they prefix every prejudiced and ignorant remark with "I'm not racist."

Are you calling me a racist?
If so, go fuck yourself.
I give every ethnic group a chance and am a friendly person, but when I see people that come into this country and don't adopt our culture then that is something that irks me.
And yes native people of one country don't use deoderant and push in as well, I've seen it many times.

i'm pretty sure there was no deodrant in aboriginal culture,

Thoughts_Arrive

I meant all people born here when I said 'native'.
Not aborigines....

Byrnzie

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

I meant all people born here when I said 'native'.
Not aborigines....

Does it irk you that many aborigines have chosen not to adopt your culture?

satansbed

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

I meant all people born here when I said 'native'.
Not aborigines....

i know what you meant, i was just pointing out your culture is not actually native to austrailia in the first place

JonnyPistachio

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

I give every ethnic group a chance and am a friendly person, but when I see people that come into this country and don't adopt our culture then that is something that irks me.
And yes native people of one country don't use deoderant and push in as well, I've seen it many times.

I'm not racist, but...
I give everyone a chance, but...

You want everyone to be exactly like you, and your culture? :?

Personally, I used to notice people who smelled badly because they didnt use deodorant, but then it occurred to me that maybe they had their reasons, and I cant expect them to be exactly like me. In the US, most deodorants are loaded with things like aluminum chlorohydrate, parabens, propylene glycol, triclosan...

So, basically, I dont apply this shit either.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Are you calling me a racist?
If so, go fuck yourself.
I give every ethnic group a chance and am a friendly person, but when I see people that come into this country and don't adopt our culture then that is something that irks me.
And yes native people of one country don't use deoderant and push in as well, I've seen it many times.

everyone I've met that agrees with assimilation are racists.

it always bugs me when people my parents age say shit like "come to my country, wave my flag, don't sing our anthem in any language but english, go back to where you came from, etc".

if they really thought assimilation was the right way to go, then everyone in Canada should be culturally Aboriginal and live in teepees and eat bannock. we white men/women didn't assimilate, so no one else should have to either.