The Year Rock Just Spun It's Wheels

Black DiamondBlack Diamond Posts: 25,107
edited January 2012 in Other Music
http://nyti.ms/tE5enw

Think 1990 had an article like this...


Hopefully someone will save us...
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  • DissidentmanDissidentman Posts: 15,378
    http://nyti.ms/tE5enw

    Think 1990 had an article like this...


    Hopefully someone will save us...

    Get back to PJ radio, and save yourself.
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    Seems kinda late. When was the last year for really good mainstream rock?
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,486
    I thoroughly enjoyed new albums by Cave In, My Morning Jacket, Puscifer, Russian Circles, The Horrible Crowes, City and Colour, Fleet Foxes, Dredg, and The Twilight Singers to name a few. Weep for the lazy journalist who needs to have new music delivered to them on a platter.
  • SatansFutonSatansFuton Posts: 5,399
    I enjoyed 2011 in music, but not any of the new artists, but lots of good "archive" stuff coming from artists I love.

    Pearl Jam: Vs/Vitalogy/Orpheum, PJ20 Soundtrack, LO10L, Vault #1

    Rolling Stones: Some Girls Reissue, Live In Texas '78, The Brussels Affair

    Jimi Hendrix: Winterland Box Set

    Soundgarden: Live On I-5

    And some other stuff, but those are the things that come to mind. So it was a good year in that respect. And some older artists released some decent new studio albums like RHCP, Primus, R.E.M., etc. It might not have been a good year for up and coming artists, or for currently popular acts (at least according to the article) but there was plenty of stuff that had me excited.
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  • i think what it boils down to is people expect music they like to always remain. We all loved the 90's and love that sound, but few if any of those bands are around or are creating that same type of music. Or if you are into 60's music like jimi or the who or dylan, sure there are artists who sound like them, but the sound, the scene doesnt really exist anymore.

    I think if you wait around for a band to sound like stuff you like, you are going to be waiting an awfully long time.

    You have via the internet basically the capability to find and listen to every single album ever recorded. If you want to listen to Punk music from Ethopia you can. Or pop music from vietnam. Gypsy music from Belfast.

    I think if you wait around for the next Nirvana or Pearl Jam to "sound like" Nirvana and Pearl Jam you will wait in vain.

    So many exciting rock bands right now. Radiohead of course. But i think there is exciting stuff going on in so many musical genres, why limit yourself to only being into bands who sound grunge influenced? James Blake is doing some mindblowing stuff with minimalist vocals and sounds. Flying Lotus is on some Jimi Hendrix level with crazy wierd insane sounds. The XX and Bon Iver each in their own way are creating music influenced as much by R Kelly and R and B as rock music. Hip Hop's really spaced and drugged out right now, resulting in some crazy atmospheric music, Shabazz Palaces, Danny Brown and ASAP Rocky are leading that charge. Political Hip hop made a comeback this year with the smoky yet literate rhymes of Das Racist, Kendrick Lamar and Big KRIT. Youve got cool producers like Jamie XX, Clams Casino and Araabmuzik creating beautiful spacey soundscapes. Adele is an artist who is blowing everyone away with her voice, and Robyn is creating some great pop music. youve got a strain of music very focused on harmony and melody ala Fleet Foxes, Bon Iver, Girls. And R and B seems to be in its golden age with the lush sounds of Terius Nash the Dream, The Weeknd and Frank Ocean. How To Dress Well. And you have this great electronic dubstep scene with Sepalcure, Balam Acab, Burial and more. Burial creates this London-esque rainy day songs, with pitch and time shifted vocals and new age cutting edge beats. M83 just released a double album of 80's inspired synth rock, as have Washed Out, who soundtracked Portlandia.

    If you arent finding quality music out there, i'd say you arent looking hard enough. If you want cookie cutter, verse chorus verse, mainstream rock, thats fine, thats on every radio station in america. If you want to challenge your ears and brain and be fed art as opposed to product, i'd check out other stuff.

    i think the main point is the bands i just listed sound nothing like grunge. And thats a good thing. If i want grunge i know what cd's to put on.
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    i think what it boils down to is people expect music they like to always remain. We all loved the 90's and love that sound, but few if any of those bands are around or are creating that same type of music. Or if you are into 60's music like jimi or the who or dylan, sure there are artists who sound like them, but the sound, the scene doesnt really exist anymore.

    I think if you wait around for a band to sound like stuff you like, you are going to be waiting an awfully long time.

    You have via the internet basically the capability to find and listen to every single album ever recorded. If you want to listen to Punk music from Ethopia you can. Or pop music from vietnam. Gypsy music from Belfast.

    I think if you wait around for the next Nirvana or Pearl Jam to "sound like" Nirvana and Pearl Jam you will wait in vain.

    So many exciting rock bands right now. Radiohead of course. But i think there is exciting stuff going on in so many musical genres, why limit yourself to only being into bands who sound grunge influenced? James Blake is doing some mindblowing stuff with minimalist vocals and sounds. Flying Lotus is on some Jimi Hendrix level with crazy wierd insane sounds. The XX and Bon Iver each in their own way are creating music influenced as much by R Kelly and R and B as rock music. Hip Hop's really spaced and drugged out right now, resulting in some crazy atmospheric music, Shabazz Palaces, Danny Brown and ASAP Rocky are leading that charge. Political Hip hop made a comeback this year with the smoky yet literate rhymes of Das Racist, Kendrick Lamar and Big KRIT. Youve got cool producers like Jamie XX, Clams Casino and Araabmuzik creating beautiful spacey soundscapes. Adele is an artist who is blowing everyone away with her voice, and Robyn is creating some great pop music. youve got a strain of music very focused on harmony and melody ala Fleet Foxes, Bon Iver, Girls. And R and B seems to be in its golden age with the lush sounds of Terius Nash the Dream, The Weeknd and Frank Ocean. How To Dress Well. And you have this great electronic dubstep scene with Sepalcure, Balam Acab, Burial and more. Burial creates this London-esque rainy day songs, with pitch and time shifted vocals and new age cutting edge beats. M83 just released a double album of 80's inspired synth rock, as have Washed Out, who soundtracked Portlandia.

    If you arent finding quality music out there, i'd say you arent looking hard enough. If you want cookie cutter, verse chorus verse, mainstream rock, thats fine, thats on every radio station in america. If you want to challenge your ears and brain and be fed art as opposed to product, i'd check out other stuff.

    i think the main point is the bands i just listed sound nothing like grunge. And thats a good thing. If i want grunge i know what cd's to put on.

    I agree with all of this, but wouldn't it really belong in a "Where's all the good music these days?" thread?

    I think the article is saying "Why isn't the "good" rock music popular?", and I often wonder the same thing.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,486
    DewieCox wrote:

    I think the article is saying "Why isn't the "good" rock music popular?", and I often wonder the same thing.

    True, but the author is missing obvious points. Mainstream Rock is an obsolete genre based on the criteria; major labels are drying up (especially on rock) and rock radio stations are switching formats across the country. Rock has become more and more segmented and fans aren't looking to those outlets or charts to find their music. There's no fresh blood because labels can't risk the dough (especially when hip-hop, pop, and country are far safer bets). The new delivery mechanism has either completely passed him by or he needed to poop out something by his deadline. Either way, it's a goofy article.
  • Why isnt good music/rock music popular? Look at my post, its more than implied. Nowadays, its quite common for good music to be released every month, every week in fact. With blogs suggesting bands to listen to on a weekly if not daily basis. And its now common among hip hop artists to release mixtapes free online, which in fact, the 3 Weeknd Mixtapes, the danny brown mixtape, clams casino mixtape, asap rocky mixtape, odd future/frank ocean mixtapes all were among the most acclaimed and beloved albums of the year and all were released online free.

    I think there is SO MUCH music these days, so many good bands, so many great albums released over the course of a year, that its so fragmented right now, so niche oriented. Arcade Fire presumably would be the biggest band in the world. Their first album got the kind of reviews you'd expect from a mid period Beatles album, they won album of the year at the grammys the most prestigious award in music, and their live show is world reknowned and legendary, yet after they won the grammy millions of people posted on twitter and facebook, "who the hell is arcade fire".

    the fact is unless you are adele, you aint selling albums or moving units in 2011. You just arent.

    I look at it the complete opposite as you. Are Bon Iver, Arcade Fire, The National, Fleet Foxes, Bright Eyes, household names and among the most popular artists in the world? no they arent, but they are popular.

    I thought that was one of the big moments in music in the 2000's was the mainstreaming of indie. My mom listens to and is a fan of the Decemberists. My mom owned the Suburbs before it won a grammy. My parents saw Blitzen Trapper live. Teen girls got into Death Cab and Modest Mouse and the Killers in 2003 as a result of The OC.

    The charts mean nothing right now unless you are Adele. Theres no reliable way to tell how many people own the new Bon Iver album which along with Adele's 21 was the most acclaimed album of the year.

    I think its a tricky situation. Are the Fleet Foxes, or Arcade Fire or bon iver selling 20 million copies of their album? no they arent, but they are popular.
  • gibbitsgibbits Posts: 508
    How anyone can take a list that has Drake in the top 50 seriously is beyond me. What was his biggest hit? Over? Between the god awful repetitive beat and lyrics like the following, I can safely say those people promoting this shit do not know their ass from their elbow. Enough from me though, let's have the poet speak himself:
    I know way too many people here rite now that I didn’t know last year
    who the f-ck are y’all?
    I swear it feels like the last few nights we’ve been everywhere and back but-
    I just can’t remember at all
    what am I doing? hat am I doing?
    oh yeah, that's right, I’m doing me, I’m doing me
    I’m living life right now man
    and this what I’m do til its over
    til it’s over, but it’s far from over

    alright, bottles on me
    long as I’m a drink it
    never drop the ball, f-ck y’all thinking
    making sure the young money ship is never sinking
    bout to set it off in this b-tch Jada Pinkett
    I shouldn’t have drove, tell me how I’m getting home
    you too fine to be laying down in bed alone
    I can teach you how to speak my language Rosetta stone
    I swear this life is like the sweetest thing I’ve ever known
    got to go thriller Mike Jackson on these n-ggas
    all I need is a f-cking red jackets with some zippers

    super good (?) a package of the swishas
    I did it over night, it couldn’t happen any quicker
    y’all know them, but f-ck it me either
    but point the biggest skeptic out I’ll make them a believer
    it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve done it throwing hundreds
    when I should be throwing ones b-tch I run it ahh,

    Uhhh,
    one thing bout music when it hits you feel no pain
    and I swear I got this sh-t that makes these b-tches go insane
    so they tell me that they love me I know better than that it’s just game
    it’s just what comes from fame
    and I’m ready for that I’m just saying
    I really can’t complain, everything is kosher
    two thumbs up, Ebert, and Roeper

    I really can’t see the end getting any closer
    but I’ll probably still be the man when everything is over
    so I’m riding through the city with my high beams on
    can you see me can you see me get your visine on
    y’all just do not fit the picture
    turn your widescreen on
    if you thinking Imma quit before I die dream on
    man they treat me like a legend
    am I really this cold
    I’m really too young to be felling this old
    it’s about time you admit it who you kidding man
    nobody’s ever done it like I did it
    ahh


    Brilliant, simply brilliant. Mr Vedder needs to watch his back!

    YOUNG MONEY FOR LYFE DAWG.
  • the drake comment is sort of ignorant. i respect everyones music taste. i believe their are no guilty pleasures. I believe good music can be found on college radio stations and top 40 stations. did you even look at any top 50 albums lists this year beyond pitchfork? What source do you trust? Paste, Stereogum, Spin, Rolling Stone all had drake on their lists as well. Are you really denigrating drake fans and the list explicitly for including his album? Im a fan of music myself, i dont think my music taste is better than anyone elses. thats just me though
  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,475
    To each their own...
    I thought 2011 was a great year for music.
    I LOVE MUSIC.
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Didn't Arcade Fire win a grammy for Album of the Year last year?
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  • jshinjshin Posts: 1,759
    mfc2006 wrote:
    To each their own...
    I thought 2011 was a great year for music.

    Totally agree....I can't remember a year when I've bought (and still need to buy) so many great albums... 2012 is already looking pretty good as well..
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