no offense man but I think you havn't been around long enough to really understand,political lyrics have been used a lot longer that you have been alive and ya know what..the ideas and causes change the people come and go the bands come and go but the song is still great.
and I sing along to Hendrix the Doors Zepplin White Stripes Killers CCR Neil Young Black Sabbath Pearl Jam
and I have a blast doing it with out worrying about the politics they may have intended in the song...I love music and politics are a pain in the ass.
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ah yes, my age has something to do with my knowledge of musical history. thanks for the lesson. :?
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no offense man but I think you havn't been around long enough to really understand,political lyrics have been used a lot longer that you have been alive and ya know what..the ideas and causes change the people come and go the bands come and go but the song is still great.
and I sing along to Hendrix the Doors Zepplin White Stripes Killers CCR Neil Young Black Sabbath Pearl Jam
and I have a blast doing it with out worrying about the politics they may have intended in the song...I love music and politics are a pain in the ass.
Godfather.
p.s. i cant sing along to any song that has lyrics that go against my principles.. it just makes me feel dirty(and not in a good way)
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no offense man but I think you havn't been around long enough to really understand,political lyrics have been used a lot longer that you have been alive and ya know what..the ideas and causes change the people come and go the bands come and go but the song is still great.
and I sing along to Hendrix the Doors Zepplin White Stripes Killers CCR Neil Young Black Sabbath Pearl Jam
and I have a blast doing it with out worrying about the politics they may have intended in the song...I love music and politics are a pain in the ass.
Godfather.
ah yes, my age has something to do with my knowledge of musical history. thanks for the lesson. :?
not what I said,I'm sure you have great musical knowledge but not enough has come to pass for you to fully understand what I'm talking about.
no offense man but I think you havn't been around long enough to really understand,political lyrics have been used a lot longer that you have been alive and ya know what..the ideas and causes change the people come and go the bands come and go but the song is still great.
and I sing along to Hendrix the Doors Zepplin White Stripes Killers CCR Neil Young Black Sabbath Pearl Jam
and I have a blast doing it with out worrying about the politics they may have intended in the song...I love music and politics are a pain in the ass.
Godfather.
p.s. i cant sing along to any song that has lyrics that go against my principles.. it just makes me feel dirty(and not in a good way)
well how about black dog by led zep. they should do the trick and no politics at all in them.
not a huge Skynyrd fan but still a great band.
and I like you sig at the bottom.
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My political involvment in music started with the first record I ever purchased (I believe it was 1964), The Beach Boys "Shut Down the System, Vol. II" Ahh, those great anarchist songs-- "Fume, Fume, Fume", "Pogrom, Pogrom Ploy Girl", "This Cabal of Mine", "The Wrath of the Dictator's Son", "Keep an Eye on the Enemy" and of course, "Shut Down the System, Part II". You think you know political music? Whadda you pencil necks know about political music?!
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My political involvment in music started with the first record I ever purchased (I believe it was 1964), The Beach Boys "Shut Down the System, Vol. II" Ahh, those great anarchist songs-- "Fume, Fume, Fume", "Pogrom, Pogrom Ploy Girl", "This Cabal of Mine", "The Wrath of the Dictator's Son", "Keep an Eye on the Enemy" and of course, "Shut Down the System, Part II". You think you know political music? Whadda you pencil necks know about political music?!
you win.. i wasnt even born in 1694.. oops sorry 1964.
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My political involvment in music started with the first record I ever purchased (I believe it was 1964), The Beach Boys "Shut Down the System, Vol. II" Ahh, those great anarchist songs-- "Fume, Fume, Fume", "Pogrom, Pogrom Ploy Girl", "This Cabal of Mine", "The Wrath of the Dictator's Son", "Keep an Eye on the Enemy" and of course, "Shut Down the System, Part II". You think you know political music? Whadda you pencil necks know about political music?!
you win.. i wasnt even born in 1694.. oops sorry 1964.
"1694"...Good one catefrances, good one... :evil: ...
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not what I said,I'm sure you have great musical knowledge but not enough has come to pass for you to fully understand what I'm talking about.
Godfather.
what the sam hell are you talking about? not enough has "come to pass"? how much older than me do you think you are?
if there's one thing that is completely disrespectful (not to mention ludicrous) is that age-old adage that age has something to do with understanding of something. "ah, yer just a young buck (gently slaps guy on cheek), you'll understand when ya get older". it's a cop out from having to explain what the frick you are actually trying to say.
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ah yes, my age has something to do with my knowledge of musical history. thanks for the lesson. :?
not what I said,I'm sure you have great musical knowledge but not enough has come to pass for you to fully understand what I'm talking about.
Godfather.
what the sam hell are you talking about? not enough has "come to pass"? how much older than me do you think you are?
if there's one thing that is completely disrespectful (not to mention ludicrous) is that age-old adage that age has something to do with understanding of something. "ah, yer just a young buck (gently slaps guy on cheek), you'll understand when ya get older". it's a cop out from having to explain what the frick you are actually trying to say.[/quote]
Good point HFD. I'm one of the older guys around here and because of that I may have more life experience in some ways (or as Willie Nelson once said, "I've just been around the block a few more times, that's all") but that doesn't mean I'm up on some things as much as some people half my age. For example, I'd much rather go to a nurse practitioner than to a well established doctor because the NP's tend to keep more current in their education and they want to prove their abilities. Beside, it was my generation that said, "don't trust anyone over thirty". We boomers should be skeptical of ourselves and you should be skeptical of us too. We were going to save the world. Hmmm...
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
not what I said,I'm sure you have great musical knowledge but not enough has come to pass for you to fully understand what I'm talking about.
Godfather.
what the sam hell are you talking about? not enough has "come to pass"? how much older than me do you think you are?
if there's one thing that is completely disrespectful (not to mention ludicrous) is that age-old adage that age has something to do with understanding of something. "ah, yer just a young buck (gently slaps guy on cheek), you'll understand when ya get older". it's a cop out from having to explain what the frick you are actually trying to say.
you have a chip on your sholder it sounds like, there is nothing I can tell you to make understand my point.
I'm not trying to dis-credit you in any way but yet you sound very diffensive...so back to the OP'S question..who knows if hillary would have done better,with Bill in her corner she just may have but in my opinion obama has no business in the white house as president but he runs a hell of a campagin.
you have a chip on your sholder it sounds like, there is nothing I can tell you to make understand my point.
I'm not trying to dis-credit you in any way but yet you sound very diffensive...so back to the OP'S question..who knows if hillary would have done better,with Bill in her corner she just may have but in my opinion obama has no business in the white house as president but he runs a hell of a campagin.
Godfather.
I have no chip, sir. I just have no clue what you are talking about, and every single time I ask you, in every thread, you never answer. You just tell me (and others) that they need to stop getting defensive etc.
I'm not defensive, I just don't like it when people talk down to me ("you're too young to understand"-too young to understand what? you never said anything-it's like you started in the middle of a conversation).
I know your opinion on Obama. You never cease to try and sell your Obama hate everywhere you go. But you have never said anything concrete on WHY you think he has no business in the white house. Why is that? You once claimed you don't know much about politics, so then why do you hate Obama so much? Is it because Fox news tells you so?
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you have a chip on your sholder it sounds like, there is nothing I can tell you to make understand my point.
I'm not trying to dis-credit you in any way but yet you sound very diffensive...so back to the OP'S question..who knows if hillary would have done better,with Bill in her corner she just may have but in my opinion obama has no business in the white house as president but he runs a hell of a campagin.
Godfather.
I have no chip, sir. I just have no clue what you are talking about, and every single time I ask you, in every thread, you never answer. You just tell me (and others) that they need to stop getting defensive etc.
I'm not defensive, I just don't like it when people talk down to me ("you're too young to understand"-too young to understand what? you never said anything-it's like you started in the middle of a conversation).
I know your opinion on Obama. You never cease to try and sell your Obama hate everywhere you go. But you have never said anything concrete on WHY you think he has no business in the white house. Why is that? You once claimed you don't know much about politics, so then why do you hate Obama so much? Is it because Fox news tells you so?
we don't have to know much about politics to see what obama is doing, fox is not the only ones unhappy with obama..his own supporters are pissed off too.
sell my obama hate ? look around bro I'm not alone in my opinion of his ability to do the job of president
and hate is a word that is used too loosely,in my heart I don't hate anybody on a personal level,I don't like the job he's doing but I think that is because of his lack of experieance in politics and soft handed way of dealing with congress.
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I voted for Obama and I have to say I'm a little disappointed myself but we've had much worse. I think too much emphasis is put on one man- he doesn't act alone. Looking at the alternatives I'd say we could have much worse. It seems to me that most people that are angry at Obama are using him as a scape goat. It's so much easier to point the finger at one person or one thing rather than understand that the problems we as a nation and the world as a whole face today are complex, have built up over time and over several administrations. I wish people would stop whining about this one person and look at the bigger picture. If we expect ONE person to solve all the problems we have our heads stuck deep in the sand. Until we get leaders who are willing to talk about the problems of peak oil, climate change, very troublesome environmental issues like our severly crippled ocean ecology, rapid decline in species, as well as an unsustainable global economy and social injustices, we'll stay on the same treadmill to nowhere. Name me one leader or would be leader who has addressed these issues in a serious, up-front manner. I'm not saying Obama is a great leader or a poor leader. I'm just saying lets stop whining and start demanding ALL of our leaders take action on these issues which are indicators of a serious global environmental collapse. Let's not forget our role in this also. We all need to learn to live differently and not expect someone else to make everything ok. It's time to look at the bigger picture.
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I voted for Obama and I have to say I'm a little disappointed myself but we've had much worse. I think too much emphasis is put on one man- he doesn't act alone. Looking at the alternatives I'd say we could have much worse. It seems to me that most people that are angry at Obama are using him as a scape goat. It's so much easier to point the finger at one person or one thing rather than understand that the problems we as a nation and the world as a whole face today are complex, have built up over time and over several administrations. I wish people would stop whining about this one person and look at the bigger picture. If we expect ONE person to solve all the problems we have our heads stuck deep in the sand. Until we get leaders who are willing to talk about the problems of peak oil, climate change, very troublesome environmental issues like our severly crippled ocean ecology, rapid decline in species, as well as an unsustainable global economy and social injustices, we'll stay on the same treadmill to nowhere. Name me one leader or would be leader who has addressed these issues in a serious, up-front manner. I'm not saying Obama is a great leader or a poor leader. I'm just saying lets stop whining and start demanding ALL of our leaders take action on these issues which are indicators of a serious global environmental collapse. Let's not forget our role in this also. We all need to learn to live differently and not expect someone else to make everything ok. It's time to look at the bigger picture.
but on the train that stuff don't matter..it's more of a slug fest of some trying to one up the other on political knowledge and trying to sell their opinion and using wikipida as proof of what they're trying to pitch.....ohhhhhhh did I just hit the "submit button"
but on the train that stuff don't matter..it's more of a slug fest of some trying to one up the other on political knowledge and trying to sell their opinion and using wikipida as proof of what they're trying to pitch.....ohhhhhhh did I just hit the "submit button"
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Thank you, Godfather, for reminding us to laugh!
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I voted for Obama and I have to say I'm a little disappointed myself but we've had much worse. I think too much emphasis is put on one man- he doesn't act alone. Looking at the alternatives I'd say we could have much worse. It seems to me that most people that are angry at Obama are using him as a scape goat. It's so much easier to point the finger at one person or one thing rather than understand that the problems we as a nation and the world as a whole face today are complex, have built up over time and over several administrations. I wish people would stop whining about this one person and look at the bigger picture. If we expect ONE person to solve all the problems we have our heads stuck deep in the sand.
I agree with everything you said Brian, but regarding the bold: Please swear you will write this in every political bashing thread about anyone from now on. It would be nice for the ridiculous bickering to stop when everyone thinks the country's problem's are the sole leader's fault. It's the entire system, the big picture as you say, but no one wants to come to terms with that. No one wants to realize that because it would consist of actual THOUGHT and a shift in perception. Because that would give most people a migraine...
but on the train that stuff don't matter..it's more of a slug fest of some trying to one up the other on political knowledge and trying to sell their opinion and using wikipida as proof of what they're trying to pitch.....ohhhhhhh did I just hit the "submit button"
Godfather.
Funny AND true.
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I agree with everything you said Brian, but regarding the bold: Please swear you will write this in every political bashing thread about anyone from now on. It would be nice for the ridiculous bickering to stop when everyone thinks the country's problem's are the sole leader's fault. It's the entire system, the big picture as you say, but no one wants to come to terms with that. No one wants to realize that because it would consist of actual THOUGHT and a shift in perception. Because that would give most people a migraine...
Well said Jeanwah!! Big thumbs up. Let's all try to think along these lines. :thumbup:
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
but on the train that stuff don't matter..it's more of a slug fest of some trying to one up the other on political knowledge and trying to sell their opinion and using wikipida as proof of what they're trying to pitch.....ohhhhhhh did I just hit the "submit button"
Godfather.
no one's trying to one up anybody. I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions. I don't expect an answer any time soon.
I'm not here baiting you. I honestly want to know why people think Obama is doing a poor job. How could he have done it better? I don't know how anyone could have, personally, but I don't claim to know everything.
The thing is, as someone else said, no one leader is to blame for everything. If the slate was clean after every new president took office, then fine, blame them, but there's shit that every president has had to clean up, including Bush Jr. This economic bomb has been brewing for decades. What would McCain have done in this situation? Would he have not bailed out wall street? Would he have let the US default on its debts? Would he still be in Iraq? Would he still be in Afganistan? Would he have killed Osama if he had the chance too?
I think it's important to look at what COULD have been done differently when judging someone's actions. For example, when looking at the aftermath of 9/11, everyone (myself included) lambasted the Bush/Cheny regime for inciting fear and hate and starting a false war. But it's important to think....."what would Kerry or Gore have done in their place?", or even better "what COULD they have done?". Maybe nothing different. I don't know.
All I'm looking for is honest answers to these questions, as I've stated here so many times before, I'm not here to bicker, I'm here for an exchange of adult ideas. But just plainly saying "Bush sucks" or "obama's a pussy" doesn't cut it with me.
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I voted for Obama and I have to say I'm a little disappointed myself but we've had much worse. I think too much emphasis is put on one man- he doesn't act alone. Looking at the alternatives I'd say we could have much worse. It seems to me that most people that are angry at Obama are using him as a scape goat. It's so much easier to point the finger at one person or one thing rather than understand that the problems we as a nation and the world as a whole face today are complex, have built up over time and over several administrations. I wish people would stop whining about this one person and look at the bigger picture. If we expect ONE person to solve all the problems we have our heads stuck deep in the sand. Until we get leaders who are willing to talk about the problems of peak oil, climate change, very troublesome environmental issues like our severly crippled ocean ecology, rapid decline in species, as well as an unsustainable global economy and social injustices, we'll stay on the same treadmill to nowhere. Name me one leader or would be leader who has addressed these issues in a serious, up-front manner. I'm not saying Obama is a great leader or a poor leader. I'm just saying lets stop whining and start demanding ALL of our leaders take action on these issues which are indicators of a serious global environmental collapse. Let's not forget our role in this also. We all need to learn to live differently and not expect someone else to make everything ok. It's time to look at the bigger picture.
I should have read this before I posted mine! Very well said, man.
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but on the train that stuff don't matter..it's more of a slug fest of some trying to one up the other on political knowledge and trying to sell their opinion and using wikipida as proof of what they're trying to pitch.....ohhhhhhh did I just hit the "submit button"
Godfather.
no one's trying to one up anybody. I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions. I don't expect an answer any time soon.
I'm not here baiting you. I honestly want to know why people think Obama is doing a poor job. How could he have done it better? I don't know how anyone could have, personally, but I don't claim to know everything.
The thing is, as someone else said, no one leader is to blame for everything. If the slate was clean after every new president took office, then fine, blame them, but there's shit that every president has had to clean up, including Bush Jr. This economic bomb has been brewing for decades. What would McCain have done in this situation? Would he have not bailed out wall street? Would he have let the US default on its debts? Would he still be in Iraq? Would he still be in Afganistan? Would he have killed Osama if he had the chance too?
I think it's important to look at what COULD have been done differently when judging someone's actions. For example, when looking at the aftermath of 9/11, everyone (myself included) lambasted the Bush/Cheny regime for inciting fear and hate and starting a false war. But it's important to think....."what would Kerry or Gore have done in their place?", or even better "what COULD they have done?". Maybe nothing different. I don't know.
All I'm looking for is honest answers to these questions, as I've stated here so many times before, I'm not here to bicker, I'm here for an exchange of adult ideas. But just plainly saying "Bush sucks" or "obama's a pussy" doesn't cut it with me.
wow a very fair and honest question,very cool.
the reason I don't think he's done a great job is because he seems to have done nothing to improve on the mess he was promicing to clean up at least a little we're still at war job's are still a issue..and giving out money was cool but it did nithing to help Americas mess we're in and every time he says he has a plan the next thing we hear is that it was blocked by congress or he trys to make the rep. and dems happy at the same time and ends up getting walked all over(for a man that's been that been to all 57 states thats a shame )
I believe he really wanted to stop the war but soon as he was elected he stepped right into the wolf's den and got eaten up due to his lack of experiance in ploitics with the heavey hitters..in my opinion he had no idea what he was getting into..well every time I watch the news that's what it looks like to me,I also don't like some of the idea's he has like allowing citizenship to all the or most of the imagrents here illegally now, I don't like the idea of raising taxes. theres more but I gatta get back to work
I think you're a pretty well-rounded guy(father) most of the time, but posting Fox News is not really an equal argument. Why can't you see this???
...it's on my favorites list that and CNN and local news and they all say about the same thing but Fox always throws a spin in it's wording and I enjoy the entertainment value,
is the artical I posted filled with un-truths ? if so I apoligize.
wow a very fair and honest question,very cool.
the reason I don't think he's done a great job is because he seems to have done nothing to improve on the mess he was promicing to clean up at least a little we're still at war job's are still a issue..and giving out money was cool but it did nithing to help Americas mess we're in and every time he says he has a plan the next thing we hear is that it was blocked by congress or he trys to make the rep. and dems happy at the same time and ends up getting walked all over(for a man that's been that been to all 57 states thats a shame )
I believe he really wanted to stop the war but soon as he was elected he stepped right into the wolf's den and got eaten up due to his lack of experiance in ploitics with the heavey hitters..in my opinion he had no idea what he was getting into..well every time I watch the news that's what it looks like to me,I also don't like some of the idea's he has like allowing citizenship to all the or most of the imagrents here illegally now, I don't like the idea of raising taxes. theres more but I gatta get back to work
Godfather.
your point is a fair one, that he spends too much time trying to be bi-partisan. I hope he's learning that he's going to get nothing done that way. is that way ideal? of course it is. but he's proving to the nation that politics don't work that way. you can't try to work with the opposition. you have to do you what you can do achieve what you wanted to, regardless of bipartisanship.
it sucks, but it's the reality. the republicans have done nothing but try to derail everything he has tried to do in favour of making him look bad. Am I saying that dems wouldn't have done the same thing if McCain was in office? nope. I'm just saying it's a shame that's what happens.
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ah yes, my age has something to do with my knowledge of musical history. thanks for the lesson. :?
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Liking a douchebag like Ted Nugent goes way beyond politics my friend.
I think this is more a matter of taste.
p.s. i cant sing along to any song that has lyrics that go against my principles.. it just makes me feel dirty(and not in a good way)
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
not what I said,I'm sure you have great musical knowledge but not enough has come to pass for you to fully understand what I'm talking about.
Godfather.
well how about black dog by led zep.
Godfather.
and what is the meaning of "taste"......come to think of it what are your experiences with douchbags.
Godfather.
not a huge Skynyrd fan but still a great band.
and I like you sig at the bottom.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
you win.. i wasnt even born in 1694.. oops sorry 1964.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
"1694"...Good one catefrances, good one... :evil: ...
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
what the sam hell are you talking about? not enough has "come to pass"? how much older than me do you think you are?
if there's one thing that is completely disrespectful (not to mention ludicrous) is that age-old adage that age has something to do with understanding of something. "ah, yer just a young buck (gently slaps guy on cheek), you'll understand when ya get older". it's a cop out from having to explain what the frick you are actually trying to say.
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what the sam hell are you talking about? not enough has "come to pass"? how much older than me do you think you are?
if there's one thing that is completely disrespectful (not to mention ludicrous) is that age-old adage that age has something to do with understanding of something. "ah, yer just a young buck (gently slaps guy on cheek), you'll understand when ya get older". it's a cop out from having to explain what the frick you are actually trying to say.[/quote]
Good point HFD. I'm one of the older guys around here and because of that I may have more life experience in some ways (or as Willie Nelson once said, "I've just been around the block a few more times, that's all") but that doesn't mean I'm up on some things as much as some people half my age. For example, I'd much rather go to a nurse practitioner than to a well established doctor because the NP's tend to keep more current in their education and they want to prove their abilities. Beside, it was my generation that said, "don't trust anyone over thirty". We boomers should be skeptical of ourselves and you should be skeptical of us too. We were going to save the world. Hmmm...
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
you have a chip on your sholder it sounds like, there is nothing I can tell you to make understand my point.
I'm not trying to dis-credit you in any way but yet you sound very diffensive...so back to the OP'S question..who knows if hillary would have done better,with Bill in her corner she just may have but in my opinion obama has no business in the white house as president but he runs a hell of a campagin.
Godfather.
I have no chip, sir. I just have no clue what you are talking about, and every single time I ask you, in every thread, you never answer. You just tell me (and others) that they need to stop getting defensive etc.
I'm not defensive, I just don't like it when people talk down to me ("you're too young to understand"-too young to understand what? you never said anything-it's like you started in the middle of a conversation).
I know your opinion on Obama. You never cease to try and sell your Obama hate everywhere you go. But you have never said anything concrete on WHY you think he has no business in the white house. Why is that? You once claimed you don't know much about politics, so then why do you hate Obama so much? Is it because Fox news tells you so?
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we don't have to know much about politics to see what obama is doing, fox is not the only ones unhappy with obama..his own supporters are pissed off too.
sell my obama hate ? look around bro I'm not alone in my opinion of his ability to do the job of president
and hate is a word that is used too loosely,in my heart I don't hate anybody on a personal level,I don't like the job he's doing but I think that is because of his lack of experieance in politics and soft handed way of dealing with congress.
Godfather.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Godfather.
Thank you, Godfather, for reminding us to laugh!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I agree with everything you said Brian, but regarding the bold: Please swear you will write this in every political bashing thread about anyone from now on.
Well said Jeanwah!! Big thumbs up. Let's all try to think along these lines. :thumbup:
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
no one's trying to one up anybody. I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions. I don't expect an answer any time soon.
I'm not here baiting you. I honestly want to know why people think Obama is doing a poor job. How could he have done it better? I don't know how anyone could have, personally, but I don't claim to know everything.
The thing is, as someone else said, no one leader is to blame for everything. If the slate was clean after every new president took office, then fine, blame them, but there's shit that every president has had to clean up, including Bush Jr. This economic bomb has been brewing for decades. What would McCain have done in this situation? Would he have not bailed out wall street? Would he have let the US default on its debts? Would he still be in Iraq? Would he still be in Afganistan? Would he have killed Osama if he had the chance too?
I think it's important to look at what COULD have been done differently when judging someone's actions. For example, when looking at the aftermath of 9/11, everyone (myself included) lambasted the Bush/Cheny regime for inciting fear and hate and starting a false war. But it's important to think....."what would Kerry or Gore have done in their place?", or even better "what COULD they have done?". Maybe nothing different. I don't know.
All I'm looking for is honest answers to these questions, as I've stated here so many times before, I'm not here to bicker, I'm here for an exchange of adult ideas. But just plainly saying "Bush sucks" or "obama's a pussy" doesn't cut it with me.
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I should have read this before I posted mine! Very well said, man.
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wow a very fair and honest question,very cool.
the reason I don't think he's done a great job is because he seems to have done nothing to improve on the mess he was promicing to clean up at least a little we're still at war job's are still a issue..and giving out money was cool but it did nithing to help Americas mess we're in and every time he says he has a plan the next thing we hear is that it was blocked by congress or he trys to make the rep. and dems happy at the same time and ends up getting walked all over(for a man that's been that been to all 57 states thats a shame
I believe he really wanted to stop the war but soon as he was elected he stepped right into the wolf's den and got eaten up due to his lack of experiance in ploitics with the heavey hitters..in my opinion he had no idea what he was getting into..well every time I watch the news that's what it looks like to me,I also don't like some of the idea's he has like allowing citizenship to all the or most of the imagrents here illegally now, I don't like the idea of raising taxes. theres more but I gatta get back to work
Godfather.
Godfather.
I think you're a pretty well-rounded guy(father) most of the time, but posting Fox News is not really an equal argument. Why can't you see this???
...it's on my favorites list
is the artical I posted filled with un-truths ? if so I apoligize.
Godfather.
your point is a fair one, that he spends too much time trying to be bi-partisan. I hope he's learning that he's going to get nothing done that way. is that way ideal? of course it is. but he's proving to the nation that politics don't work that way. you can't try to work with the opposition. you have to do you what you can do achieve what you wanted to, regardless of bipartisanship.
it sucks, but it's the reality. the republicans have done nothing but try to derail everything he has tried to do in favour of making him look bad. Am I saying that dems wouldn't have done the same thing if McCain was in office? nope. I'm just saying it's a shame that's what happens.
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Are there people who will represent me better than Obama?, of course.. but even if Ron Paul got elected, do you think he'd really have a say in shit?