PJ's Grammay Speech from 1996

LukinFan

Check out Mike's expression when Stone says that they should also thank Dave A- priceless! (:57 mark)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHEYs0CMe4U&feature=related

suns rival

LukinFan wrote:

Check out Mike's expression when Stone says that they should also thank Dave A- priceless! (:57 mark)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHEYs0CMe4U&feature=related

hahaha, i didn't noticed that until now... what could that mean.

hopethatuchoke

I didn't really see much of a reaction from Mike. It's ashame Ed was such an uptight dick back then. Nice to see he has loosened up a bit.

LikeAnOcean

hopethatuchoke wrote:

I didn't really see much of a reaction from Mike. It's ashame Ed was such an uptight dick back then. Nice to see he has loosened up a bit.

I think he just wanted to express how he really felt, he still expressed that he was sorry for what he had to say. He's definitely more mature now, but come on, we all know he was right, whether we would have behaved that way or not.

thecory

i don't want to be a geek but speaking of aic, mike looks all layne staley'd out. 96 means this was the drug period circa the writing of habit, correct or no?

MattyJoe

It's funny, I posted something about this the last time a topic about this clip was posted (hmm, I don't know, maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago?) and no one said anything about it. I guess everyone's too busy making a new topic every time an idea pops into their head to actually read and comment on other people's replies.

His reaction means, "Yeah, right, you dicks never gave a flying shit about Dave." I think Mike was really the only "friend" of Dave's in the band (at least, that's the impression I get from having read 5 Against 1). The other three were indifferent to Dave (although Eddie really hated him, I think). Mike was the only one on Dave's side, and for that, I dub him the coolest one on that stage at that moment.

MrsOakley

I have this on VHS from the night, and I'll tell you, I felt the squirm for Eddie, you don't always want to be the skunk at the picnic, but how many times do you get the floor and the attention, you have to stand up and not worry about upsetting people who cherish sitting down. And as another poster said, everyone always glosses over the fact that EDDIE WAS RIGHT. I thought it was a marvelous tribute to every other musician, nominated or not, because music and art in general are NOT competitions, they are celebrations. I felt it was hard for him to say, but he had to say it. It's called character.

As for the look from Mike, I always thought it was surprise that Stone said it, because the thing with Dave must be like one of those family things that you just don't bring up, even among one another, never mind in front of OTHER PEOPLE. With the possible exception of a moment's exasperation, as with all brothers, I don't think Mike has ever thought of his bandmates, especially Stone, as a dick. It took a man to do what Stone did that night. Don't forget, Stone was the one who had to basically tell Dave, even though it was a band decision. And I think the other three did it to keep peace with Eddie -- it broke my heart when they fired Dave, and I don't think they did it easily or with little thought. There were things about Dave that didn't mesh with the band -- he was anti-choice, pro-NRA, had a bag-o-chick mentality, was a little too fond of rock star cliches that the rest were trying to disassociate themselves from. I think maybe a lot of things would have come out in the wash with the passage of time, and the rest of the band could have learned to live with them. It was Eddie who just couldn't take it on top of everything else -- always had a feeling that Beth had something to do with it, but that's just my instinct. So Dave had to go. Anyone remember in that RS article in the beginning when Dave was so happy with their success that he said something like, I could go back to pumping gas tomorrow and not mind after all this? Fucking hell.

And if memory serves, they had the meeting with Dave while Mike was in rehab, he was on a conference call, real conducive to rehab, geez, so he was clean for these awards. If he doesn't always look healthy, it could be because he has CROHN'S DISEASE -- do people still think it's like having had Mexican food the night before? It's a very hard thing to bear, and the treatment can be just as bad as far as side effects, so give the little genius a break if he sometimes looks like the night after...

restlesssoul

the mighty alice in chains!

MattyJoe

I think the band in many ways was the best when Dave was in it. They have really made a comeback in '05, '06, and '07 but before then they just weren't as good. A lot of you like Jack Irons and I agree that his style is very unique and fit in with the band. But I just don't like him as much as Dave. He doesn't have the same energy.

And Dave's views didn't effect how he personally felt he meshed with the band. He always said that he felt very emotionally connected to the songs, too. It was the other guys who took issue with his views and attitudes. He was content to believe what he wanted and he never took issue with what the other guys believed. THEY came after HIM, for whatever reason. And you're right, most of it was Eddie. But you can't deny the fact that the other 3 didn't stand up to Eddie and say, "Hey wait a minute you're taking this too far!" I mean I guess they were afraid of Eddie leaving but that seems too timid of them. I doubt they'd let Eddie come in (which is what they did; they gave him the platform) only to have him take over and run the show and submit to his wishes. I guess that could be what happened but it just seems weird to me. Eddie had a huge temper, yes, but he's not the most formidable guy out there. Look at Jeff!

LukinFan

MattyJoe wrote:

I think the band in many ways was the best when Dave was in it. They have really made a comeback in '05, '06, and '07 but before then they just weren't as good. A lot of you like Jack Irons and I agree that his style is very unique and fit in with the band. But I just don't like him as much as Dave. He doesn't have the same energy.

They haven't gone any where and yes, Jack is the man!

StuffnJunk

i don't have to watch the youtube clip, i have this on VHS and have watched it a million times......such a squirm inducing moment from eddie, even though like everyone else i agree with his thoughts on music as art, i have always felt:

A) if you don't care, WHY ARE YOU THERE?

yes i know cuz his dad would have liked it, but if you go then be cool, if you hate awards shows then DON"T FUCKING GO

if you don't care, then why are you the one that steps up to the microphone??? let the others thank their family and friends and the fans and the academy while you stand in the background scowling...thats a way of showing us you don't care.....

and don't get me started on the MTV awards 1993, where he really was in full "more punk rock than thou" ASSHOLE mode....you know whats punk rock??? NOT GOING TO THE MTV AWARDS!!!!!!

bootlegger10

MattyJoe wrote:

I think the band in many ways was the best when Dave was in it. They have really made a comeback in '05, '06, and '07 but before then they just weren't as good. A lot of you like Jack Irons and I agree that his style is very unique and fit in with the band. But I just don't like him as much as Dave. He doesn't have the same energy.

And Dave's views didn't effect how he personally felt he meshed with the band. He always said that he felt very emotionally connected to the songs, too. It was the other guys who took issue with his views and attitudes. He was content to believe what he wanted and he never took issue with what the other guys believed. THEY came after HIM, for whatever reason. And you're right, most of it was Eddie. But you can't deny the fact that the other 3 didn't stand up to Eddie and say, "Hey wait a minute you're taking this too far!" I mean I guess they were afraid of Eddie leaving but that seems too timid of them. I doubt they'd let Eddie come in (which is what they did; they gave him the platform) only to have him take over and run the show and submit to his wishes. I guess that could be what happened but it just seems weird to me. Eddie had a huge temper, yes, but he's not the most formidable guy out there. Look at Jeff!

Ed ruled the band then, and now. Just look at bootlegs. You think Mike is okay with bootlegs? probably. Ed? Hell no.

StuffnJunk

bootlegger10 wrote:

Ed ruled the band then, and now. Just look at bootlegs. You think Mike is okay with bootlegs? probably. Ed? Hell no.

what? what makes you say eddie is against bootlegs?

mjb

Um...I don't recall Mike looking so much like David Spade. Man that boy is all kinds of gaunt.

corduroid

MattyJoe wrote:

I think the band in many ways was the best when Dave was in it. They have really made a comeback in '05, '06, and '07 but before then they just weren't as good ...

:eek:
1998?
2000?

halszka123

It seems like everybody here thinks that Ed is false - He didn't like awards, but was there and, wow! said, He don't care. He fired Dave, but He didn't tell him that, only made Stone do that.
And probably, He tried to create Himself as a rebel.
So? what is the point? Is He The Biggest Lier and does He make us fools?
Vote here!

pearljamgirl07

lol

StuffnJunk

you get invited to a fancy party involving the kind of pretentious people you hate. do you:

A) go to the party and complain the whole time about how you hate it and are much cooler than everyone there

not go to the party

eddie chose A, i would choose B.....but in his defense, he has chosen B ever since 1996, so he is cool after all, but there is no question that when he was uncomfortable with fame from 93-96 he went out of his way to act like an ass on TV, rather than just not do go on TV

MattyJoe

halszka123 wrote:

It seems like everybody here thinks that Ed is false - He didn't like awards, but was there and, wow! said, He don't care. He fired Dave, but He didn't tell him that, only made Stone do that.
And probably, He tried to create Himself as a rebel.
So? what is the point? Is He The Biggest Lier and does He make us fools?
Vote here!

I'm gonna be honest, at times in the past I believe Ed was false. Mostly because he was torn over whether to become a rock god like Townshend or a punk.

halszka123

MattyJoe wrote:

I'm gonna be honest, many times in the past I believe Ed was false.

Unfortunatelly, me too...
But I found, to be honest, that somethimes I am the same (especialy when I try to clear myself)
well.. we are all humans, even Ed;)
(I wish He wouldn't have THIS disadvantage... He can lie, He can steal, but not this.

halszka123

StuffnJunk wrote:

you get invited to a fancy party involving the kind of pretentious people you hate. do you:

A) go to the party and complain the whole time about how you hate it and are much cooler than everyone there

not go to the party

eddie chose A, i would chose B.....but in his defense, he has chosen B ever since 1996, so he is cool after all, but there is no question that when he was uncomfortable with fame from 93-96 he went out of his way to act like an ass on TV, rather than just not do go on TV

If You ask me... it depends, maybe - He just wanted to say what He said, I mean - that having an award doesn't mean that You are SOMEBODY, it's just a "fashion" or "style" which in one moment people prefer (read: grunge or post-grunge). I can understand Him. He thanx for the award being there and taking it, but saying, what He did, He wanted to remind people about many bands which pasted after "the day of glory" (again - read: the public's favour).