MLB 2026 Off season

tempo_n_groove

Wobbie said:

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Dale Murphy gets a toe with Donnie?
Cmon.  Murphy was an elite power hitter in 80s.

#teamdale

And Mattingly wasn't?

222 career HR makes one an elite power hitter?

14 seasons (12 full). Played the final 7-8 seasons with a bad back. I think people forget that. Obviously if you weren't around and just look at the stats. You'd think he just forgot how to hit. Still had more hits than Dale. A better AVG and OPS. Robbed of his prime years. If you want to go by WAR they weren't that far off.

The statement you made was that Mattingly was also an "elite power hitter" after F Me said Murphy was an elite power hitter.

222 HR over 14 seasons is not elite power. its 16 HR per season on average,

20 hr in a 162 game season average. Obviously his power numbers went down due to his back. 

What is this 1896?
That is far from elite power.

Of course if you count his bad back years they won't look great. But before that he was and would have had 7-9 years of it. That's why I mentioned he was robbed of his prime years. He averaged 27 from 84-89. Had 3 straight years of 30 hrs. Someone playing 18-20 years with that hr average will get to 360-400. 

If the Queen had balls...

Well then Trout shouldn't be in when he's eligible. Also doesn't make sense if we're letting in people who haven't reached those milestones

I’m not sure that comp is gonna work for you. I tried the same thing with Kirby Puckett (injury ended career) but that one wasn’t favorable to your case either.

Didn't say he had better numbers. Just that he didn't reach the 500hr 3000 hits. Also meant to say if Trout retired today. Obviously he'll reach those milestones if he played until 40 years old

but look at Trout’s WAR!

and I’m not even a huge Trout fan…I think he’s a bit of a pussy….EASY, TEMPO, EASY! 🤣

lol, that's fair.

tempo_n_groove

igotid88 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

igotid88 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Dale Murphy gets a toe with Donnie?
Cmon.  Murphy was an elite power hitter in 80s.

#teamdale

And Mattingly wasn't?

222 career HR makes one an elite power hitter?

14 seasons (12 full). Played the final 7-8 seasons with a bad back. I think people forget that. Obviously if you weren't around and just look at the stats. You'd think he just forgot how to hit. Still had more hits than Dale. A better AVG and OPS. Robbed of his prime years. If you want to go by WAR they weren't that far off.

Here we go again...

Mattingly was great for 4 years, real good for 2 and an elite fielder for most of his career.  

Keith Hernandez has a similar career if not slightly better but he won't get in either.

There are many examples of players who've had similar or worse numbers that are in though.

They shouldn't be in either...

Mattingly was fun to watch over that time but he just doesn't have enough to get him in.

Just curious who else is in that you think Mattingly was better than?  Baines and Maseroski are givens.

Kirby, Rolen, Rizzuto, Dawson for example. It's tough to argue because a lot of these people got to play a long time and some even had a more valuable position than 1B(which is treated as much as a DH). So when someone plays 20 years and has 2500+ hits 400+ hr. Their stats will look better than someone who played 14 with 2000+ hits and 200+ hrs. 

Puckett is one I was always confused by.  Great player for sure but surprised he got in. Good serviceable player and was great but never saw the numbers to support it.

Rizzuto is a given.  Rolen I was on the fence about.  Dawson the hawk, was serviceable too and I would agree with that.

I was on the fence about Larry Walker too and I thought he was great for a little while.

With more and more really good players getting in I feel the bar has been lowered.

Wobbie

WHOA! 😳

igotid88

tempo_n_groove said:

Lerxst1992 said:

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Dale Murphy gets a toe with Donnie?
Cmon.  Murphy was an elite power hitter in 80s.

#teamdale

And Mattingly wasn't?

222 career HR makes one an elite power hitter?

14 seasons (12 full). Played the final 7-8 seasons with a bad back. I think people forget that. Obviously if you weren't around and just look at the stats. You'd think he just forgot how to hit. Still had more hits than Dale. A better AVG and OPS. Robbed of his prime years. If you want to go by WAR they weren't that far off.

The statement you made was that Mattingly was also an "elite power hitter" after F Me said Murphy was an elite power hitter.

222 HR over 14 seasons is not elite power. its 16 HR per season on average,

20 hr in a 162 game season average. Obviously his power numbers went down due to his back. 

What is this 1896?
That is far from elite power.

Of course if you count his bad back years they won't look great. But before that he was and would have had 7-9 years of it. That's why I mentioned he was robbed of his prime years. He averaged 27 from 84-89. Had 3 straight years of 30 hrs. Someone playing 18-20 years with that hr average will get to 360-400. 

If the Queen had balls...

Well then Trout shouldn't be in when he's eligible. Also doesn't make sense if we're letting in people who haven't reached those milestones

I’m not sure that comp is gonna work for you. I tried the same thing with Kirby Puckett (injury ended career) but that one wasn’t favorable to your case either.

Didn't say he had better numbers. Just that he didn't reach the 500hr 3000 hits. Also meant to say if Trout retired today. Obviously he'll reach those milestones if he played until 40 years old

That just about convinces me Mattingly should be in. The 80s were a mini dead ball era, Dale Murphy was mentioned as a true power hitter then, and he would lead the NL in HRs in the mid 30s. Now that would barely make the Dodgers lineup /s

Comparing Mattingly and Trout is laughable.  Trout has had a shorter AND better career.

Mattingly had 4 years w a 5 or better WAR four years in a row then fell off a cliff.  Trout had 8 and covid and injuries halted that and then he came back to form again in 22 but sidelined again w injuries.

Trout is a first rounder for what hes done already.  He has 10 years of great baseball under his belt.

Just to mention that Trout was 2nd in MVP voting four other seasons.  He WAS the best player in baseball for 7 of his first 8 years.

Oh yeah and the Halos still couldn't do shit with it...

Yea but if Trout was 6' 1 175-189lbs I doubt he puts up similar numbers. 

Poncier

igotid88 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Lerxst1992 said:

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Dale Murphy gets a toe with Donnie?
Cmon.  Murphy was an elite power hitter in 80s.

#teamdale

And Mattingly wasn't?

222 career HR makes one an elite power hitter?

14 seasons (12 full). Played the final 7-8 seasons with a bad back. I think people forget that. Obviously if you weren't around and just look at the stats. You'd think he just forgot how to hit. Still had more hits than Dale. A better AVG and OPS. Robbed of his prime years. If you want to go by WAR they weren't that far off.

The statement you made was that Mattingly was also an "elite power hitter" after F Me said Murphy was an elite power hitter.

222 HR over 14 seasons is not elite power. its 16 HR per season on average,

20 hr in a 162 game season average. Obviously his power numbers went down due to his back. 

What is this 1896?
That is far from elite power.

Of course if you count his bad back years they won't look great. But before that he was and would have had 7-9 years of it. That's why I mentioned he was robbed of his prime years. He averaged 27 from 84-89. Had 3 straight years of 30 hrs. Someone playing 18-20 years with that hr average will get to 360-400. 

If the Queen had balls...

Well then Trout shouldn't be in when he's eligible. Also doesn't make sense if we're letting in people who haven't reached those milestones

I’m not sure that comp is gonna work for you. I tried the same thing with Kirby Puckett (injury ended career) but that one wasn’t favorable to your case either.

Didn't say he had better numbers. Just that he didn't reach the 500hr 3000 hits. Also meant to say if Trout retired today. Obviously he'll reach those milestones if he played until 40 years old

That just about convinces me Mattingly should be in. The 80s were a mini dead ball era, Dale Murphy was mentioned as a true power hitter then, and he would lead the NL in HRs in the mid 30s. Now that would barely make the Dodgers lineup /s

Comparing Mattingly and Trout is laughable.  Trout has had a shorter AND better career.

Mattingly had 4 years w a 5 or better WAR four years in a row then fell off a cliff.  Trout had 8 and covid and injuries halted that and then he came back to form again in 22 but sidelined again w injuries.

Trout is a first rounder for what hes done already.  He has 10 years of great baseball under his belt.

Just to mention that Trout was 2nd in MVP voting four other seasons.  He WAS the best player in baseball for 7 of his first 8 years.

Oh yeah and the Halos still couldn't do shit with it...

Yea but if Trout was 6' 1 175-189lbs I doubt he puts up similar numbers. 

So now we're using size as a determining factor in HOF worthiness?

Eddie Gaedel is a sure-fire unanimous inductee then.

Johnny Abruzzo

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Lerxst1992 said:

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Dale Murphy gets a toe with Donnie?
Cmon.  Murphy was an elite power hitter in 80s.

#teamdale

And Mattingly wasn't?

222 career HR makes one an elite power hitter?

14 seasons (12 full). Played the final 7-8 seasons with a bad back. I think people forget that. Obviously if you weren't around and just look at the stats. You'd think he just forgot how to hit. Still had more hits than Dale. A better AVG and OPS. Robbed of his prime years. If you want to go by WAR they weren't that far off.

The statement you made was that Mattingly was also an "elite power hitter" after F Me said Murphy was an elite power hitter.

222 HR over 14 seasons is not elite power. its 16 HR per season on average,

20 hr in a 162 game season average. Obviously his power numbers went down due to his back. 

What is this 1896?
That is far from elite power.

Of course if you count his bad back years they won't look great. But before that he was and would have had 7-9 years of it. That's why I mentioned he was robbed of his prime years. He averaged 27 from 84-89. Had 3 straight years of 30 hrs. Someone playing 18-20 years with that hr average will get to 360-400. 

If the Queen had balls...

Well then Trout shouldn't be in when he's eligible. Also doesn't make sense if we're letting in people who haven't reached those milestones

I’m not sure that comp is gonna work for you. I tried the same thing with Kirby Puckett (injury ended career) but that one wasn’t favorable to your case either.

Didn't say he had better numbers. Just that he didn't reach the 500hr 3000 hits. Also meant to say if Trout retired today. Obviously he'll reach those milestones if he played until 40 years old

That just about convinces me Mattingly should be in. The 80s were a mini dead ball era, Dale Murphy was mentioned as a true power hitter then, and he would lead the NL in HRs in the mid 30s. Now that would barely make the Dodgers lineup /s

Comparing Mattingly and Trout is laughable.  Trout has had a shorter AND better career.

Mattingly had 4 years w a 5 or better WAR four years in a row then fell off a cliff.  Trout had 8 and covid and injuries halted that and then he came back to form again in 22 but sidelined again w injuries.

Trout is a first rounder for what hes done already.  He has 10 years of great baseball under his belt.

Just to mention that Trout was 2nd in MVP voting four other seasons.  He WAS the best player in baseball for 7 of his first 8 years.

Oh yeah and the Halos still couldn't do shit with it...

Yea but if Trout was 6' 1 175-189lbs I doubt he puts up similar numbers. 

So now we're using size as a determining factor in HOF worthiness?

Eddie Gaedel is a sure-fire unanimous inductee then.

I love how the cameraman is like 6' away.

igotid88

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Lerxst1992 said:

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Dale Murphy gets a toe with Donnie?
Cmon.  Murphy was an elite power hitter in 80s.

#teamdale

And Mattingly wasn't?

222 career HR makes one an elite power hitter?

14 seasons (12 full). Played the final 7-8 seasons with a bad back. I think people forget that. Obviously if you weren't around and just look at the stats. You'd think he just forgot how to hit. Still had more hits than Dale. A better AVG and OPS. Robbed of his prime years. If you want to go by WAR they weren't that far off.

The statement you made was that Mattingly was also an "elite power hitter" after F Me said Murphy was an elite power hitter.

222 HR over 14 seasons is not elite power. its 16 HR per season on average,

20 hr in a 162 game season average. Obviously his power numbers went down due to his back. 

What is this 1896?
That is far from elite power.

Of course if you count his bad back years they won't look great. But before that he was and would have had 7-9 years of it. That's why I mentioned he was robbed of his prime years. He averaged 27 from 84-89. Had 3 straight years of 30 hrs. Someone playing 18-20 years with that hr average will get to 360-400. 

If the Queen had balls...

Well then Trout shouldn't be in when he's eligible. Also doesn't make sense if we're letting in people who haven't reached those milestones

I’m not sure that comp is gonna work for you. I tried the same thing with Kirby Puckett (injury ended career) but that one wasn’t favorable to your case either.

Didn't say he had better numbers. Just that he didn't reach the 500hr 3000 hits. Also meant to say if Trout retired today. Obviously he'll reach those milestones if he played until 40 years old

That just about convinces me Mattingly should be in. The 80s were a mini dead ball era, Dale Murphy was mentioned as a true power hitter then, and he would lead the NL in HRs in the mid 30s. Now that would barely make the Dodgers lineup /s

Comparing Mattingly and Trout is laughable.  Trout has had a shorter AND better career.

Mattingly had 4 years w a 5 or better WAR four years in a row then fell off a cliff.  Trout had 8 and covid and injuries halted that and then he came back to form again in 22 but sidelined again w injuries.

Trout is a first rounder for what hes done already.  He has 10 years of great baseball under his belt.

Just to mention that Trout was 2nd in MVP voting four other seasons.  He WAS the best player in baseball for 7 of his first 8 years.

Oh yeah and the Halos still couldn't do shit with it...

Yea but if Trout was 6' 1 175-189lbs I doubt he puts up similar numbers. 

So now we're using size as a determining factor in HOF worthiness?

Eddie Gaedel is a sure-fire unanimous inductee then.

There are outliers like a Mantle who have big man strength. 

tempo_n_groove

igotid88 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Lerxst1992 said:

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Dale Murphy gets a toe with Donnie?
Cmon.  Murphy was an elite power hitter in 80s.

#teamdale

And Mattingly wasn't?

222 career HR makes one an elite power hitter?

14 seasons (12 full). Played the final 7-8 seasons with a bad back. I think people forget that. Obviously if you weren't around and just look at the stats. You'd think he just forgot how to hit. Still had more hits than Dale. A better AVG and OPS. Robbed of his prime years. If you want to go by WAR they weren't that far off.

The statement you made was that Mattingly was also an "elite power hitter" after F Me said Murphy was an elite power hitter.

222 HR over 14 seasons is not elite power. its 16 HR per season on average,

20 hr in a 162 game season average. Obviously his power numbers went down due to his back. 

What is this 1896?
That is far from elite power.

Of course if you count his bad back years they won't look great. But before that he was and would have had 7-9 years of it. That's why I mentioned he was robbed of his prime years. He averaged 27 from 84-89. Had 3 straight years of 30 hrs. Someone playing 18-20 years with that hr average will get to 360-400. 

If the Queen had balls...

Well then Trout shouldn't be in when he's eligible. Also doesn't make sense if we're letting in people who haven't reached those milestones

I’m not sure that comp is gonna work for you. I tried the same thing with Kirby Puckett (injury ended career) but that one wasn’t favorable to your case either.

Didn't say he had better numbers. Just that he didn't reach the 500hr 3000 hits. Also meant to say if Trout retired today. Obviously he'll reach those milestones if he played until 40 years old

That just about convinces me Mattingly should be in. The 80s were a mini dead ball era, Dale Murphy was mentioned as a true power hitter then, and he would lead the NL in HRs in the mid 30s. Now that would barely make the Dodgers lineup /s

Comparing Mattingly and Trout is laughable.  Trout has had a shorter AND better career.

Mattingly had 4 years w a 5 or better WAR four years in a row then fell off a cliff.  Trout had 8 and covid and injuries halted that and then he came back to form again in 22 but sidelined again w injuries.

Trout is a first rounder for what hes done already.  He has 10 years of great baseball under his belt.

Just to mention that Trout was 2nd in MVP voting four other seasons.  He WAS the best player in baseball for 7 of his first 8 years.

Oh yeah and the Halos still couldn't do shit with it...

Yea but if Trout was 6' 1 175-189lbs I doubt he puts up similar numbers. 

Stop it, stopppp! lol.

My god way to pivot!

tempo_n_groove

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Lerxst1992 said:

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Dale Murphy gets a toe with Donnie?
Cmon.  Murphy was an elite power hitter in 80s.

#teamdale

And Mattingly wasn't?

222 career HR makes one an elite power hitter?

14 seasons (12 full). Played the final 7-8 seasons with a bad back. I think people forget that. Obviously if you weren't around and just look at the stats. You'd think he just forgot how to hit. Still had more hits than Dale. A better AVG and OPS. Robbed of his prime years. If you want to go by WAR they weren't that far off.

The statement you made was that Mattingly was also an "elite power hitter" after F Me said Murphy was an elite power hitter.

222 HR over 14 seasons is not elite power. its 16 HR per season on average,

20 hr in a 162 game season average. Obviously his power numbers went down due to his back. 

What is this 1896?
That is far from elite power.

Of course if you count his bad back years they won't look great. But before that he was and would have had 7-9 years of it. That's why I mentioned he was robbed of his prime years. He averaged 27 from 84-89. Had 3 straight years of 30 hrs. Someone playing 18-20 years with that hr average will get to 360-400. 

If the Queen had balls...

Well then Trout shouldn't be in when he's eligible. Also doesn't make sense if we're letting in people who haven't reached those milestones

I’m not sure that comp is gonna work for you. I tried the same thing with Kirby Puckett (injury ended career) but that one wasn’t favorable to your case either.

Didn't say he had better numbers. Just that he didn't reach the 500hr 3000 hits. Also meant to say if Trout retired today. Obviously he'll reach those milestones if he played until 40 years old

That just about convinces me Mattingly should be in. The 80s were a mini dead ball era, Dale Murphy was mentioned as a true power hitter then, and he would lead the NL in HRs in the mid 30s. Now that would barely make the Dodgers lineup /s

Comparing Mattingly and Trout is laughable.  Trout has had a shorter AND better career.

Mattingly had 4 years w a 5 or better WAR four years in a row then fell off a cliff.  Trout had 8 and covid and injuries halted that and then he came back to form again in 22 but sidelined again w injuries.

Trout is a first rounder for what hes done already.  He has 10 years of great baseball under his belt.

Just to mention that Trout was 2nd in MVP voting four other seasons.  He WAS the best player in baseball for 7 of his first 8 years.

Oh yeah and the Halos still couldn't do shit with it...

Yea but if Trout was 6' 1 175-189lbs I doubt he puts up similar numbers. 

So now we're using size as a determining factor in HOF worthiness?

Eddie Gaedel is a sure-fire unanimous inductee then.

I love how the cameraman is like 6' away.

You want to see some crazy stuff? check out the photographers back in those eras.  Right on the field.  6' away like this.  There were a few of them too.

tempo_n_groove

Johnny Abruzzo

tempo_n_groove said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Lerxst1992 said:

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Dale Murphy gets a toe with Donnie?
Cmon.  Murphy was an elite power hitter in 80s.

#teamdale

And Mattingly wasn't?

222 career HR makes one an elite power hitter?

14 seasons (12 full). Played the final 7-8 seasons with a bad back. I think people forget that. Obviously if you weren't around and just look at the stats. You'd think he just forgot how to hit. Still had more hits than Dale. A better AVG and OPS. Robbed of his prime years. If you want to go by WAR they weren't that far off.

The statement you made was that Mattingly was also an "elite power hitter" after F Me said Murphy was an elite power hitter.

222 HR over 14 seasons is not elite power. its 16 HR per season on average,

20 hr in a 162 game season average. Obviously his power numbers went down due to his back. 

What is this 1896?
That is far from elite power.

Of course if you count his bad back years they won't look great. But before that he was and would have had 7-9 years of it. That's why I mentioned he was robbed of his prime years. He averaged 27 from 84-89. Had 3 straight years of 30 hrs. Someone playing 18-20 years with that hr average will get to 360-400. 

If the Queen had balls...

Well then Trout shouldn't be in when he's eligible. Also doesn't make sense if we're letting in people who haven't reached those milestones

I’m not sure that comp is gonna work for you. I tried the same thing with Kirby Puckett (injury ended career) but that one wasn’t favorable to your case either.

Didn't say he had better numbers. Just that he didn't reach the 500hr 3000 hits. Also meant to say if Trout retired today. Obviously he'll reach those milestones if he played until 40 years old

That just about convinces me Mattingly should be in. The 80s were a mini dead ball era, Dale Murphy was mentioned as a true power hitter then, and he would lead the NL in HRs in the mid 30s. Now that would barely make the Dodgers lineup /s

Comparing Mattingly and Trout is laughable.  Trout has had a shorter AND better career.

Mattingly had 4 years w a 5 or better WAR four years in a row then fell off a cliff.  Trout had 8 and covid and injuries halted that and then he came back to form again in 22 but sidelined again w injuries.

Trout is a first rounder for what hes done already.  He has 10 years of great baseball under his belt.

Just to mention that Trout was 2nd in MVP voting four other seasons.  He WAS the best player in baseball for 7 of his first 8 years.

Oh yeah and the Halos still couldn't do shit with it...

Yea but if Trout was 6' 1 175-189lbs I doubt he puts up similar numbers. 

So now we're using size as a determining factor in HOF worthiness?

Eddie Gaedel is a sure-fire unanimous inductee then.

I love how the cameraman is like 6' away.

You want to see some crazy stuff? check out the photographers back in those eras.  Right on the field.  6' away like this.  There were a few of them too.

Yeah I know, I've seen that. How many got crushed by foul balls?!?

tempo_n_groove

What the hell are the Mets doing?

Nimmo is gone.

Diaz is gone.

Polar Bear Alonso is gone...

2 homegrown in Pete and Brandon.  Diaz was an elite reliever.  All 3 did their jobs and were fan favorites.

I don't get what their plan going forward is...

cutz

tempo_n_groove said:

What the hell are the Mets doing?

Nimmo is gone.

Diaz is gone.

Polar Bear Alonso is gone...

2 homegrown in Pete and Brandon.  Diaz was an elite reliever.  All 3 did their jobs and were fan favorites.

I don't get what their plan going forward is...

I read the NYM didn't even make Alonso an offer. Either their dumb or they know something about Alonso that everyone else doesn't?

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Whoever gives Kyle Tucker $400 million?

They are going to get the most over rated player in baseball. Just my humble opinion. 

nicknyr15

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

What the hell are the Mets doing?

Nimmo is gone.

Diaz is gone.

Polar Bear Alonso is gone...

2 homegrown in Pete and Brandon.  Diaz was an elite reliever.  All 3 did their jobs and were fan favorites.

I don't get what their plan going forward is...

I read the NYM didn't even make Alonso an offer. Either they’re dumb or they know something about Alonso that everyone else doesn't?

They didn’t want to go past 3 years and knew Pete wouldn’t go for that. 

Diaz didn’t want to play for the Mets, hoping for an easy championship with LA.
 Nimmo trade makes no sense to me but what do I know. 

markymark550

The writing was on the wall for Alonso with their front office not wanting to commit to a long term contract the last couple of offseasons. I did not realize he was their franchise leader in home runs until I heard it on the radio today.

Wobbie

buster posey coulda skipped the winter meetings and “accomplished” the same. 😡

F Me In The Brain

igotid88 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Lerxst1992 said:

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Dale Murphy gets a toe with Donnie?
Cmon.  Murphy was an elite power hitter in 80s.

#teamdale

And Mattingly wasn't?

222 career HR makes one an elite power hitter?

14 seasons (12 full). Played the final 7-8 seasons with a bad back. I think people forget that. Obviously if you weren't around and just look at the stats. You'd think he just forgot how to hit. Still had more hits than Dale. A better AVG and OPS. Robbed of his prime years. If you want to go by WAR they weren't that far off.

The statement you made was that Mattingly was also an "elite power hitter" after F Me said Murphy was an elite power hitter.

222 HR over 14 seasons is not elite power. its 16 HR per season on average,

20 hr in a 162 game season average. Obviously his power numbers went down due to his back. 

What is this 1896?
That is far from elite power.

Of course if you count his bad back years they won't look great. But before that he was and would have had 7-9 years of it. That's why I mentioned he was robbed of his prime years. He averaged 27 from 84-89. Had 3 straight years of 30 hrs. Someone playing 18-20 years with that hr average will get to 360-400. 

If the Queen had balls...

Well then Trout shouldn't be in when he's eligible. Also doesn't make sense if we're letting in people who haven't reached those milestones

I’m not sure that comp is gonna work for you. I tried the same thing with Kirby Puckett (injury ended career) but that one wasn’t favorable to your case either.

Didn't say he had better numbers. Just that he didn't reach the 500hr 3000 hits. Also meant to say if Trout retired today. Obviously he'll reach those milestones if he played until 40 years old

That just about convinces me Mattingly should be in. The 80s were a mini dead ball era, Dale Murphy was mentioned as a true power hitter then, and he would lead the NL in HRs in the mid 30s. Now that would barely make the Dodgers lineup /s

Comparing Mattingly and Trout is laughable.  Trout has had a shorter AND better career.

Mattingly had 4 years w a 5 or better WAR four years in a row then fell off a cliff.  Trout had 8 and covid and injuries halted that and then he came back to form again in 22 but sidelined again w injuries.

Trout is a first rounder for what hes done already.  He has 10 years of great baseball under his belt.

Just to mention that Trout was 2nd in MVP voting four other seasons.  He WAS the best player in baseball for 7 of his first 8 years.

Oh yeah and the Halos still couldn't do shit with it...

Yea but if Trout was 6' 1 175-189lbs I doubt he puts up similar numbers. 

They forgot to put Donnie on top 
(If he would have been injury free) could have gone next to it.

Also... Dale had chronic knee issues that ended his career early.

Not saying he is hall of fame worthy. Only that he is a much stronger candidate, imo, than Donnie.

igotid88

F Me In The Brain said:

igotid88 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

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Wobbie said:

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Poncier said:

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F Me In The Brain said:

Dale Murphy gets a toe with Donnie?
Cmon.  Murphy was an elite power hitter in 80s.

#teamdale

And Mattingly wasn't?

222 career HR makes one an elite power hitter?

14 seasons (12 full). Played the final 7-8 seasons with a bad back. I think people forget that. Obviously if you weren't around and just look at the stats. You'd think he just forgot how to hit. Still had more hits than Dale. A better AVG and OPS. Robbed of his prime years. If you want to go by WAR they weren't that far off.

The statement you made was that Mattingly was also an "elite power hitter" after F Me said Murphy was an elite power hitter.

222 HR over 14 seasons is not elite power. its 16 HR per season on average,

20 hr in a 162 game season average. Obviously his power numbers went down due to his back. 

What is this 1896?
That is far from elite power.

Of course if you count his bad back years they won't look great. But before that he was and would have had 7-9 years of it. That's why I mentioned he was robbed of his prime years. He averaged 27 from 84-89. Had 3 straight years of 30 hrs. Someone playing 18-20 years with that hr average will get to 360-400. 

If the Queen had balls...

Well then Trout shouldn't be in when he's eligible. Also doesn't make sense if we're letting in people who haven't reached those milestones

I’m not sure that comp is gonna work for you. I tried the same thing with Kirby Puckett (injury ended career) but that one wasn’t favorable to your case either.

Didn't say he had better numbers. Just that he didn't reach the 500hr 3000 hits. Also meant to say if Trout retired today. Obviously he'll reach those milestones if he played until 40 years old

That just about convinces me Mattingly should be in. The 80s were a mini dead ball era, Dale Murphy was mentioned as a true power hitter then, and he would lead the NL in HRs in the mid 30s. Now that would barely make the Dodgers lineup /s

Comparing Mattingly and Trout is laughable.  Trout has had a shorter AND better career.

Mattingly had 4 years w a 5 or better WAR four years in a row then fell off a cliff.  Trout had 8 and covid and injuries halted that and then he came back to form again in 22 but sidelined again w injuries.

Trout is a first rounder for what hes done already.  He has 10 years of great baseball under his belt.

Just to mention that Trout was 2nd in MVP voting four other seasons.  He WAS the best player in baseball for 7 of his first 8 years.

Oh yeah and the Halos still couldn't do shit with it...

Yea but if Trout was 6' 1 175-189lbs I doubt he puts up similar numbers. 

They forgot to put Donnie on top 
(If he would have been injury free) could have gone next to it.

Also... Dale had chronic knee issues that ended his career early.

Not saying he is hall of fame worthy. Only that he is a much stronger candidate, imo, than Donnie.

I would say Mattingly's best years were better than his. More hits, better AVG, less Ks. Dale averaged more hr, sb. I guess it depends how you want to look at it. Dale played a more valuable position 

Wobbie

tempo_n_groove said:

What the hell are the Mets doing?



I don't get what their plan going forward is...

I think their thinking is “we didn’t get to a WS, much less win one, with these guys so we’re not gonna try again.”

if I was a Mets fan, I’d be pissed. You can pay Soto $765M but you can’t pay homegrown, fan favorite Pete $150M? Perhaps, the Mets are realizing both these guys are gonna be DH’s, sooner rather than later. I’d rather have Pete for the next 5 years than Soto until he’s 40 years old.

As far as a “plan” goes….I’m not sure they even have “a concept of a plan.”