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  • tvismyfriendtvismyfriend Posts: 2,118
    The Fixer wrote:
    STL just got ass raped. This makes absolutely no sense to me. AA is a beast


    The Cardinals will send Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet, and P.J. Walters to the Blue Jays for Jackson, Rzepczynski, Dotel, and Corey Patterson, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney. Olney adds that Miller is then expected to be traded to the White Sox.
    Apparently Rasmus doesn't listen to his coaches and only takes his father's advice.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Fixer wrote:
    STL just got ass raped. This makes absolutely no sense to me. AA is a beast


    The Cardinals will send Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet, and P.J. Walters to the Blue Jays for Jackson, Rzepczynski, Dotel, and Corey Patterson, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney. Olney adds that Miller is then expected to be traded to the White Sox.
    Apparently Rasmus doesn't listen to his coaches and only takes his father's advice.

    that's coming from larussa, so I don't believe it. The guy has potential to be one of the best OFers in MLB.

    so the jays have made two big trades for guys with 'bad attitudes'. since lawrie got moved all I have read is how great he has been. I think this is a great trade for the jays
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,042
    The Fixer wrote:
    STL just got ass raped. This makes absolutely no sense to me. AA is a beast


    The Cardinals will send Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet, and P.J. Walters to the Blue Jays for Jackson, Rzepczynski, Dotel, and Corey Patterson, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney. Olney adds that Miller is then expected to be traded to the White Sox.
    Apparently Rasmus doesn't listen to his coaches and only takes his father's advice.

    Yeah, says Asshole LaRussa. Apparently Cox couldn't stand Escobar and look how that's working out. You're squad is looking more and more legit.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Fixer wrote:
    STL just got ass raped. This makes absolutely no sense to me. AA is a beast


    The Cardinals will send Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet, and P.J. Walters to the Blue Jays for Jackson, Rzepczynski, Dotel, and Corey Patterson, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney. Olney adds that Miller is then expected to be traded to the White Sox.
    Apparently Rasmus doesn't listen to his coaches and only takes his father's advice.

    Yeah, says Asshole LaRussa. Apparently Cox couldn't stand Escobar and look how that's working out. You're squad is looking more and more legit.

    good call on escobar. that's 3 trades for supposed bad apples that AA has made. great job of him buying low in all three cases
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    giants gave up one of their top prospects, OF Gary Brown (BA has him as the 33rd best prospect as of midseason this year), and two other prospects for Beltran.

    Here is Keith Law's take on the Rasmus trade. Pretty funny.

    Looking at this White Sox-Blue Jays-Cardinals deal as a single, three-team sway, I love what Toronto did, don't understand what the White Sox did, and like St. Louis' short-term gain but not the cost or the signal about their internal priorities.

    The Blue Jays give up four arms, at least three of whom are just relievers, plus a fringy big leaguer in Corey Patterson, and receive centerfielder Colby Rasmus plus about $7 million of dead weight in the shape of Mark Teahen, who has hit .259/.319/.397 since the start of 2008 and probably belongs in the Atlantic League. Rasmus is a potential star, a classic buy-low opportunity on a talented player who had fallen out of favor with his current organization but still has impact-player ceiling. Rasmus has star-level tools: He's a plus runner with good range in center who needs to work on his reads, shows good bat speed, has average to above-average power and a very good approach at the plate. However, he has not played well with the Cardinals' coaching staff, and that relationship has devolved over the last year into public sniping from both the coaches and from Rasmus' father, who remains a major influence on Colby's hitting, especially on his swing.



    As an outsider, I can't tell you how much blame lies on either side, but La Russa does not suffer young players gladly, and getting Rasmus out of St. Louis to see if he can succeed in a completely different environment makes plenty of sense, especially since the cost for Toronto is one good prospect and a bunch of relievers. Rasmus was worth over 4 wins last year per Fangraphs' wins above replacement despite being misused much of the year and showing up as a below-average defender in center, which I don't expect him to be long-term. He'll slide Travis Snider back to a corner, and should no longer have to worry about where he's hitting in the lineup or whether he's in it at all. The acquisition has some risk, as it's possible Rasmus has peaked or just doesn't have the makeup to get along with any coaching staff, but I doubt either of those things is true. And over the long haul you always want to bet on high-upside talent when you can. (The Blue Jays also acquired Brian Tallet and Trever Miller, who will probably be trade bait in the next few days, and P.J. Walters, a nice organizational arm.)







    The White Sox get salary relief while adding a useful bullpen arm in righty Jason Frasor, who has added a splitter over the last few years to make him more effective against left-handed hitters, as well as right-handed pitching prospect Zach Stewart. Stewart is a classic sinker-slider starter with great movement on a low-90s sinker that will touch the mid-90s; his control took a step forward this year but he wasn't getting as many groundballs, which is more a question of his pitching plan than a lack of life on the fastball. His slider is his best offspeed pitch, tight at 83-87 with good tilt, and he commands the pitch well, throwing it to both sides of the plate. He's got a solid-average or better changeup and showed no platoon split this year. With a show-me curveball and good control, he should be given every opportunity to start for Chicago, and I like pitching coach Don Cooper's chances to turn Stewart into at least a mid-rotation starter if not more.



    What I don't understand here is why the White Sox are essentially selling, unless they were just clearing payroll to add something else. They're three games out of first place in the loss column, and after bottoming out at 11-22, have gone 39-30 since then, and have a very realistic chance to win their division, especially since they can add Dayan Viciedo and perhaps Addison Reed from their own farm system for the stretch run. They had some depth in the rotation, assuming they believe the Phil Humber Show can go on all year, but they are clearly worse off at the major league level today than they were last night -- and if they can't convert Stewart's stuff into results, they're going to be left with very little return for trading Daniel Hudson last year.







    The Cardinals, meanwhile, have made a terrible organizational move by allowing their aging manager to run off the best hitting prospect the team has produced since drafting Albert Pujols. Whether La Russa was mostly responsible or only shares responsibility with Rasmus and his father, it is clear that La Russa's my-way-or-the-highway mentality has hurt the organization for this year and several years to come with the Rasmus fiasco, and unfortunately the front office's decision to retain La Russa for 2011 has come back to haunt them. Rasmus has the potential to be a 5- to 6-win player at his peak, and there's no manager in baseball who can produce that kind of value.



    Jackson is actually in the midst of his best season in the majors, another feather in Cooper's cap, perhaps boosted by the fact that this is Jackson's contract year. Jackson has always thrown hard, and can hold mid- to upper-90s late into the game, but the fastball is true and he tries to pitch up in the zone with it too often. This year, he's throwing fewer fastballs and more hard sliders, up to 89, some short and cutter-like but others with more downward break, and the result has been more line-drive hits but fewer big flies because he's working lower in the zone. The shift to the National League should help him, and he is going to work with another pitching coach with a long track record of success with veteran arms. The Cardinals also get a right-handed specialist in Octavio Dotel -- who has been traded for more value in the past 12 months than he has produced in his entire career -- and left-hander Mark Rzepczynski, another sinker-slider guy with a terrible arm action who profiles as a reliever because he probably won't have the command or health to start.



    As a stretch-run bolster for the Cardinals' rotation, Jackson is an excellent fit, and by pushing someone -- most likely Kyle McClellan, who has allowed 50 runs in his last 14 starts over 85 innings -- back to the pen, he's worth an extra two wins to this club over the rest of the year. They also get the more effective left-handed reliever they've needed all year in Rzepcynski. The price was just too high, and tells us that their internal emphasis is on their manager over their players -- which is backwards.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    Fucking a, go to butcher and signer for a legit steak lunch and come back to this. Damn. Now I have a call at 2. Sounds like the Mets are about to make out though.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Fucking a, go to butcher and signer for a legit steak lunch and come back to this. Damn. Now I have a call at 2. Sounds like the Mets are about to make out though.

    Olney now saying it's zach wheeler, not brown as the headliner. I think he is generally regarded as a better prospect than brown.

    And we're off cliff!
  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    In non trade news, Santana throws a no hitter
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Fucking a, go to butcher and signer for a legit steak lunch and come back to this. Damn. Now I have a call at 2. Sounds like the Mets are about to make out though.

    Olney now saying it's zach wheeler, not brown as the headliner. I think he is generally regarded as a better prospect than brown.

    And we're off cliff!

    Yeah, man. Here we go. Wheeler is their best pitching prospect so that is a great trade for the Mets for 2 months of Beltran.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    The Fixer wrote:
    STL just got ass raped. This makes absolutely no sense to me. AA is a beast


    The Cardinals will send Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet, and P.J. Walters to the Blue Jays for Jackson, Rzepczynski, Dotel, and Corey Patterson, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney. Olney adds that Miller is then expected to be traded to the White Sox.

    How the fuck did they pull this off? What a terrible trade for the Cards. Jesus.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    81 wrote:
    sadly, this only gonna make bud selig more thirsty for a more vast replay policy.


    give all the managers a challenge mechanisim. no balls/strikes, but safe vs. out. two a game would be more than enough. or one per game, that renews if you are correct.


    no.
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  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    how good is this wheeler kid? are we talking front end of the rotation or back end of the rotation. course with the mets he'll end up as a bust. :lol::lol:
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    81 wrote:
    sadly, this only gonna make bud selig more thirsty for a more vast replay policy.


    give all the managers a challenge mechanisim. no balls/strikes, but safe vs. out. two a game would be more than enough. or one per game, that renews if you are correct.


    no.

    I like the idea of a 5th umpire in a booth who can call down immediately and tell them if they were right or wrong on plays at the bases and fair/foul.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    81 wrote:
    give all the managers a challenge mechanisim. no balls/strikes, but safe vs. out. two a game would be more than enough. or one per game, that renews if you are correct.


    no.

    I like the idea of a 5th umpire in a booth who can call down immediately and tell them if they were right or wrong on plays at the bases and fair/foul.

    don't like the replay idea at all, as we've discussed, but i would prefer that to some kind of challenge system.

    the nfl is trying something this sort of thing this season on scoring plays.
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  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    I like the idea of a 5th umpire in a booth who can call down immediately and tell them if they were right or wrong on plays at the bases and fair/foul.

    as long as it's done super quick, i would be open to that. but if that is the case, you might as well take all the umps off the field and let them video review everything. ok, you might have to leave one on the field to call time outs, and put balls in play.

    lent K zone or whatever call balls and strikes.
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  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    81 wrote:
    sadly, this only gonna make bud selig more thirsty for a more vast replay policy.


    give all the managers a challenge mechanisim. no balls/strikes, but safe vs. out. two a game would be more than enough. or one per game, that renews if you are correct.


    no.



    so you are in favor of teams getting screwed?

    not to say Pittsburgh would have pulled it out in the 20th, or even gotten out of the 19th. but still, give them a fair shake
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    That's not that bad of a deal for the Card's. They've got plenty of offense.
    With Rasmus's current attitude and work ethic he's not far from his ceiling. I can't blame him for not wanting to listen to Mcgwire but he just doesn't seem to be totally into it. He seems like a cocky punk to me and that stems from watching him more than what people say about him. Doesn't seem like he's improved much in the 3 or so seasons he's been in the bigs.
    Maybe a change of scenery will make him blossom.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    metsfan wrote:
    how good is this wheeler kid? are we talking front end of the rotation or back end of the rotation. course with the mets he'll end up as a bust. :lol::lol:

    ranked as one of the top 30 prospects in all of baseball. That usually projects to a 1 or 2 starter.

    Here's a pre-season scouting report from baseball america

    Background: The Giants made Wheeler the sixth overall pick in the 2009 draft, the highest they've taken a pitcher since selecting Jason Grilli at No. 4 in 1997, and signed him for $3.3 million. It was a bad omen when he recorded only one out in his pro debut in April, as a persistent cracked-fingernail issue derailed his season. He did post a 3.27 ERA in his final five starts.

    Scouting Report: With his size, broad shoulders and loose arm action, Wheeler has plenty of projection remaining. His cracked nail was a blessing in disguise because it forced him to take time out to work on smoothing out his mechanics. He got on a more direct line to the plate and cut down the effort in his delivery, allowing him to command the bottom of the strike zone much better. Wheeler threw an easy 94-97 mph fastball during instructional league with improved location. His changeup became functional toward the end of the season, and his breaking ball became tighter and more consistent. He can throw an overhand curveball but has had more success with a slurve. He did a lot of maturing on the mound in his first pro season and learned he can't strike out the world.

    The Future: Wheeler remains an elite arm with room to grow. After a promising instructional league, he'll move up to high Class A if he competes well in spring training.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    81 wrote:
    81 wrote:

    give all the managers a challenge mechanisim. no balls/strikes, but safe vs. out. two a game would be more than enough. or one per game, that renews if you are correct.


    no.



    so you are in favor of teams getting screwed?

    not to say Pittsburgh would have pulled it out in the 20th, or even gotten out of the 19th. but still, give them a fair shake

    I think bad calls are part of sports. Have been forever. Soon we are just gonna have robots or computers making calls.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    DewieCox wrote:
    That's not that bad of a deal for the Card's. They've got plenty of offense.
    With Rasmus's current attitude and work ethic he's not far from his ceiling. I can't blame him for not wanting to listen to Mcgwire but he just doesn't seem to be totally into it. He seems like a cocky punk to me and that stems from watching him more than what people say about him. Doesn't seem like he's improved much in the 3 or so seasons he's been in the bigs.
    Maybe a change of scenery will make him blossom.

    He hasn't gotten consistent playing time. larussa has jerked him in and out of the lineup for over a year now. it's fine if STL wanted to move him but they got a bag of shit in return
  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave Posts: 42,062
    Ervin Santana with a no hitter today. Walked one and struck out 10 in a 3-1 victory over Cleveland. 5 errors for Cleveland and won for the Angels.
    8/28/98- Camden, NJ
    10/31/09- Philly
    5/21/10- NYC
    9/2/12- Philly, PA
    7/19/13- Wrigley
    10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
    10/21/13- Philly, PA
    10/22/13- Philly, PA
    10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
    4/28/16- Philly, PA
    4/29/16- Philly, PA
    5/1/16- NYC
    5/2/16- NYC
    9/2/18- Boston, MA
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    9/14/22- Camden, NJ
    9/7/24- Philly, PA
    9/9/24- Philly, PA
    Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
    Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
    RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    Ervin Santana with a no hitter today. Walked one and struck out 10 in a 3-1 victory over Cleveland. 5 errors for Cleveland and won for the Angels.


    viewtopic.php?f=14&t=131271&start=2550#p3800137

    :P
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  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave Posts: 42,062
    81 wrote:
    Ervin Santana with a no hitter today. Walked one and struck out 10 in a 3-1 victory over Cleveland. 5 errors for Cleveland and won for the Angels.


    viewtopic.php?f=14&t=131271&start=2550#p3800137

    :P

    :oops: sorry did a search and didn't come across it. although when i did the search i put hos first name in there ;)
    8/28/98- Camden, NJ
    10/31/09- Philly
    5/21/10- NYC
    9/2/12- Philly, PA
    7/19/13- Wrigley
    10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
    10/21/13- Philly, PA
    10/22/13- Philly, PA
    10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
    4/28/16- Philly, PA
    4/29/16- Philly, PA
    5/1/16- NYC
    5/2/16- NYC
    9/2/18- Boston, MA
    9/4/18- Boston, MA
    9/14/22- Camden, NJ
    9/7/24- Philly, PA
    9/9/24- Philly, PA
    Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
    Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
    RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    :thumbup:

    would have been cooler had the indians won. :lol:

    i love the non no hitter
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  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    The Fixer wrote:
    metsfan wrote:
    how good is this wheeler kid? are we talking front end of the rotation or back end of the rotation. course with the mets he'll end up as a bust. :lol::lol:

    ranked as one of the top 30 prospects in all of baseball. That usually projects to a 1 or 2 starter.

    Here's a pre-season scouting report from baseball america

    Background: The Giants made Wheeler the sixth overall pick in the 2009 draft, the highest they've taken a pitcher since selecting Jason Grilli at No. 4 in 1997, and signed him for $3.3 million. It was a bad omen when he recorded only one out in his pro debut in April, as a persistent cracked-fingernail issue derailed his season. He did post a 3.27 ERA in his final five starts.

    Scouting Report: With his size, broad shoulders and loose arm action, Wheeler has plenty of projection remaining. His cracked nail was a blessing in disguise because it forced him to take time out to work on smoothing out his mechanics. He got on a more direct line to the plate and cut down the effort in his delivery, allowing him to command the bottom of the strike zone much better. Wheeler threw an easy 94-97 mph fastball during instructional league with improved location. His changeup became functional toward the end of the season, and his breaking ball became tighter and more consistent. He can throw an overhand curveball but has had more success with a slurve. He did a lot of maturing on the mound in his first pro season and learned he can't strike out the world.

    The Future: Wheeler remains an elite arm with room to grow. After a promising instructional league, he'll move up to high Class A if he competes well in spring training.
    thanks fixer
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  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    metsfan wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    metsfan wrote:
    how good is this wheeler kid? are we talking front end of the rotation or back end of the rotation. course with the mets he'll end up as a bust. :lol::lol:

    ranked as one of the top 30 prospects in all of baseball. That usually projects to a 1 or 2 starter.

    Here's a pre-season scouting report from baseball america

    Background: The Giants made Wheeler the sixth overall pick in the 2009 draft, the highest they've taken a pitcher since selecting Jason Grilli at No. 4 in 1997, and signed him for $3.3 million. It was a bad omen when he recorded only one out in his pro debut in April, as a persistent cracked-fingernail issue derailed his season. He did post a 3.27 ERA in his final five starts.

    Scouting Report: With his size, broad shoulders and loose arm action, Wheeler has plenty of projection remaining. His cracked nail was a blessing in disguise because it forced him to take time out to work on smoothing out his mechanics. He got on a more direct line to the plate and cut down the effort in his delivery, allowing him to command the bottom of the strike zone much better. Wheeler threw an easy 94-97 mph fastball during instructional league with improved location. His changeup became functional toward the end of the season, and his breaking ball became tighter and more consistent. He can throw an overhand curveball but has had more success with a slurve. He did a lot of maturing on the mound in his first pro season and learned he can't strike out the world.

    The Future: Wheeler remains an elite arm with room to grow. After a promising instructional league, he'll move up to high Class A if he competes well in spring training.
    thanks fixer


    no problem dude. great haul for your squad. I miss omar :D
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    The Fixer wrote:


    I miss omar :D
    i'm sure adam rubin would agree with you on that :P
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  • PRL1JAMPRL1JAM Posts: 787
    Hey guys, to be honest...All of the Rasmus talk about him not listening to his coaches is something I just started hearing about over the last week or so. Can someone fill me in real quick, as far as him not listening to Mcgwire, etc? I heard Larussa the other day say something along the lines of, "Rasmus doesn't listen to any of his coaches" and that was all I caught. So supposedly he only listens to his old man?
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    PRL1JAM wrote:
    Hey guys, to be honest...All of the Rasmus talk about him not listening to his coaches is something I just started hearing about over the last week or so. Can someone fill me in real quick, as far as him not listening to Mcgwire, etc? I heard Larussa the other day say something along the lines of, "Rasmus doesn't listen to any of his coaches" and that was all I caught. So supposedly he only listens to his old man?

    There's been talk about it goin back to last year.
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    The Fixer wrote:
    DewieCox wrote:
    That's not that bad of a deal for the Card's. They've got plenty of offense.
    With Rasmus's current attitude and work ethic he's not far from his ceiling. I can't blame him for not wanting to listen to Mcgwire but he just doesn't seem to be totally into it. He seems like a cocky punk to me and that stems from watching him more than what people say about him. Doesn't seem like he's improved much in the 3 or so seasons he's been in the bigs.
    Maybe a change of scenery will make him blossom.

    He hasn't gotten consistent playing time. larussa has jerked him in and out of the lineup for over a year now. it's fine if STL wanted to move him but they got a bag of shit in return

    He's played 145 games the 1st 2 years and is on pace for close to the same this year and I'm pretty sure he had some mild injury early in the season. They got what they need and maybe a headache out of the clubhouse.
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