It's not okay to bring up the injury but it is okay make people assume he just lost his hr power out of nowhere? It's like a runner who's winning halfway through the race then brakes his leg and then you say he sucked at the end.
Actually I wouldn't say he sucks, but I'd say he didn't qualify....he lost....he didn't finish. I'm a runner, and I've had to drag my ass across a 26.2 marathon and 50k ultra. Torn tendon and then a stress fracture. It sucks, but I finished. Poor analogy. I don't think Donald sucks. Far from sucking.
He isn't in the same category as SK, widely held as an all time great.
You're (I assume) intentionally being obtuse here. Koufax had maybe the greatest 4 year stretch of any pitcher ever from 63-66. In Modern Times only Pedro Martinez comes close Those were not "good to great years". those were historically dominant years.
It's not okay to bring up the injury but it is okay make people assume he just lost his hr power out of nowhere? It's like a runner who's winning halfway through the race then brakes his leg and then you say he sucked at the end.
Actually I wouldn't say he sucks, but I'd say he didn't qualify....he lost....he didn't finish. I'm a runner, and I've had to drag my ass across a 26.2 marathon and 50k ultra. Torn tendon and then a stress fracture. It sucks, but I finished. Poor analogy. I don't think Donald sucks. Far from sucking.
He isn't in the same category as SK, widely held as an all time great.
Yes. But if you had been watching him the first 6 years you wouldn't think Hall of Famer. He was a totally different pitcher after. If that happened now people would accuse him doing something illegally. But according to you if he had started off strong and ended up average he wouldn't be in. Because he doesn't have the milestone numbers. Well maybe because his teams won World Series he would get in.
So if I got this right. Mattingly doesn't have the milestone numbers players get playing 20+ years to get in. But his numbers are borderline and would only get in if he won a World Series. But only if he physically won them by himself. While cutting the grass and putting the chalk on the lines. And working the concessions in between innings.
a pitcher who went 111-34 with a 1.95 ERA, won the NL ERA crown all five years and had seasons of 25-5, 26-8 and 27-9. He won an MVP Award and finished second in the voting two other years, while winning three Cy Young Awards (when they gave it to just one pitcher in all of baseball)
Mattingly never had hitting dominance like that for a 5 year stretch. Not even close.
a pitcher who went 111-34 with a 1.95 ERA, won the NL ERA crown all five years and had seasons of 25-5, 26-8 and 27-9. He won an MVP Award and finished second in the voting two other years, while winning three Cy Young Awards (when they gave it to just one pitcher in all of baseball)
Mattingly never had hitting dominance like that for a 5 year stretch. Not even close.
They basically have the same WAR. And to correct what I said earlier. Mattingly played with a bad back the final 9 seasons. He was on pace for 5 straight 200 hit seasons (3 straight) had an OPS over .900 for 4 straight. 3 straight 30+ hr seasons before the injury. But we can't bring up the injury. And you can't say he wouldn't have been dominant because he was still a good hitter. Koufax also had the benefit of a higher pitcher's mound.
It's not okay to bring up the injury but it is okay make people assume he just lost his hr power out of nowhere? It's like a runner who's winning halfway through the race then brakes his leg and then you say he sucked at the end.
Actually I wouldn't say he sucks, but I'd say he didn't qualify....he lost....he didn't finish. I'm a runner, and I've had to drag my ass across a 26.2 marathon and 50k ultra. Torn tendon and then a stress fracture. It sucks, but I finished. Poor analogy. I don't think Donald sucks. Far from sucking.
He isn't in the same category as SK, widely held as an all time great.
Yes. But if you had been watching him the first 6 years you wouldn't think Hall of Famer. He was a totally different pitcher after. If that happened now people would accuse him doing something illegally. But according to you if he had started off strong and ended up average he wouldn't be in. Because he doesn't have the milestone numbers. Well maybe because his teams won World Series he would get in.
So if I got this right. Mattingly doesn't have the milestone numbers players get playing 20+ years to get in. But his numbers are borderline and would only get in if he won a World Series. But only if he physically won them by himself. While cutting the grass and putting the chalk on the lines. And working the concessions in between innings.
We can only disagree if this is the argument, re:Koufax. Mattingly never had any stretch where he was remotely comparable to how great SK was, in my opinion.
Kirby played the same number of games, roughly, as Donnie. They are similar in different numbers, but I still give it to the chunky drunk guy.
Belle was an asshole. Should have stuck with Joey instead. Much "Friendlier" name. Who doesn't know an asshole named Albert. Video game stats and clear juicer in the 90's. I think he got caught with a corked bat a few times too. I vaguely remember him losing it against the Chi Sox for that.
Also, Puckett was a good player who came through in the clutch. His early years he was a skinny speedster. Somehow kept the hops in the field even though he doubled in size. Always had a solid bat and glove. He gets at least 50% of the credit for the '91 WS. The other half goes to Jack Morris. Another good player who was clutch when you needed him.
was jeff kent better than mattingly? without taking a deep dive to actually look up numbers, I think he was.
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Yes, I would think so. In fairness he is strongly helped by two things. 1. There are far fewer great 2B than great 1B. 2. He has one of the funniest Middle names in all of sports. (Icansmellyour)
Okay....serious question, folks. If you were the GM of a make believe all time team and had your choice of just these two players to draft first overall, who would you select?
Okay....serious question, folks. If you were the GM of a make believe all time team and had your choice of just these two players to draft first overall, who would you select?
Don Mattingly
or
Willie Mays?
Centerfielders always get preferred over first basemen. Even if Mattingly would have had the better overall numbers.
Yes, I would think so. In fairness he is strongly helped by two things. 1. There are far fewer great 2B than great 1B. 2. He has one of the funniest Middle names in all of sports. (Icansmellyour)
Franklin? Thats funny or I just don't get the joke...
Okay....serious question, folks. If you were the GM of a make believe all time team and had your choice of just these two players to draft first overall, who would you select?
Don Mattingly
or
Willie Mays?
At least do the same position... And of players who were hurt and should have better numbers...And whom are beloved by the Yankees...
Okay....serious question, folks. If you were the GM of a make believe all time team and had your choice of just these two players to draft first overall, who would you select?
Don Mattingly
or
Willie Mays?
Centerfielders always get preferred over first basemen. Even if Mattingly would have had the better overall numbers.
I don't know, I think I would still go Mattingly. This is hypothetical, of course.
Yes, I would think so. In fairness he is strongly helped by two things. 1. There are far fewer great 2B than great 1B. 2. He has one of the funniest Middle names in all of sports. (Icansmellyour)
Franklin? Thats funny or I just don't get the joke...
Yeah, I don't think you got it. I forget who called him that name but it always makes me laugh. Jeff Icansmellyour Kent.
Okay....serious question, folks. If you were the GM of a make believe all time team and had your choice of just these two players to draft first overall, who would you select?
Don Mattingly
or
Willie Mays?
Centerfielders always get preferred over first basemen. Even if Mattingly would have had the better overall numbers.
I don't know, I think I would still go Mattingly. This is hypothetical, of course.
Mattingly by a mile. Bill Brasky would have him, though.
Okay....serious question, folks. If you were the GM of a make believe all time team and had your choice of just these two players to draft first overall, who would you select?
Don Mattingly
or
Willie Mays?
Centerfielders always get preferred over first basemen. Even if Mattingly would have had the better overall numbers.
Mattingly had better overall numbers than Willie Mays?
Okay....serious question, folks. If you were the GM of a make believe all time team and had your choice of just these two players to draft first overall, who would you select?
Don Mattingly
or
Willie Mays?
Centerfielders always get preferred over first basemen. Even if Mattingly would have had the better overall numbers.
Mattingly had better overall numbers than Willie Mays?
I didn't say he had better overall numbers. I said if he had had better overall numbers.
Not gonna lie - I'm shocked at what DeGrom got, less shocked by who gave it to him tho.
rangers are like angels ….. pay a ton of money to guys and not matter at all.
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good for the crime dog…but that voting was a joke.
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Not gonna lie - I'm shocked at what DeGrom got, less shocked by who gave it to him tho.
rangers are like angels ….. pay a ton of money to guys and not matter at all.
The Halos problem is their lack of depth. They had players like Segura on their team and let them go. It's nice that when healthy have 3 really good players and 2 are the best but they can only do so much...
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I'm a runner, and I've had to drag my ass across a 26.2 marathon and 50k ultra. Torn tendon and then a stress fracture. It sucks, but I finished.
Poor analogy.
I don't think Donald sucks.
Far from sucking.
He isn't in the same category as SK, widely held as an all time great.
I think he should be in the HOF(career: .295 Hitter. averaged 40 HR & 130 RBI's a Season. OPS+ 144)
Koufax had maybe the greatest 4 year stretch of any pitcher ever from 63-66. In Modern Times only Pedro Martinez comes close
Those were not "good to great years". those were historically dominant years.
So if I got this right. Mattingly doesn't have the milestone numbers players get playing 20+ years to get in. But his numbers are borderline and would only get in if he won a World Series. But only if he physically won them by himself. While cutting the grass and putting the chalk on the lines. And working the concessions in between innings.
Mattingly never had hitting dominance like that for a 5 year stretch. Not even close.
Kirby played the same number of games, roughly, as Donnie. They are similar in different numbers, but I still give it to the chunky drunk guy.
Belle was an asshole. Should have stuck with Joey instead. Much "Friendlier" name. Who doesn't know an asshole named Albert. Video game stats and clear juicer in the 90's. I think he got caught with a corked bat a few times too. I vaguely remember him losing it against the Chi Sox for that.
Also, Puckett was a good player who came through in the clutch. His early years he was a skinny speedster. Somehow kept the hops in the field even though he doubled in size. Always had a solid bat and glove. He gets at least 50% of the credit for the '91 WS. The other half goes to Jack Morris. Another good player who was clutch when you needed him.
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
1. There are far fewer great 2B than great 1B.
2. He has one of the funniest Middle names in all of sports. (Icansmellyour)
Don Mattingly
or
Willie Mays?
Bill Brasky would have him, though.
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EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
They would be better off signing Mattingly
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Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
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