MLB 2025 World Series

tempo_n_groove

I just saw a piece on Tim Tebow.  He made the AA All-Star team.  That is one hell of an accomplishment.  Good for him.

igotid88

tempo_n_groove said:

igotid88 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Snell didn't make it?  They need to stop picking one player from every team.  Nobody cares to see undeserving players rewarded save people who embrace mediocrity. 

igotid88 said:

J.T. Realmuto should have been voted in as N.L. starting catcher. Players elected Posey over him. It took MLB office to get him in.

The starting team is by fan votes...

I know that. But the reserves are voted by players and the league. Wilson Contreras is the starting NL catcher. Then Posey was 1st reserve. MLB then picked Realmuto

Ahhh got it.  It's never perfect unfortunately.

Players wanted a vote for this very reason because they felt players were not recognized. But they do the same as well

HesCalledDyer

Harper isn’t having a good year, for certain. But after the moonshot I saw him hit tonight at PNC, it’s clear why fans voted for the guy. He hit the damn batter’s eye in dead center. Got to see Soto go yard, too. And Polanco for the Bucs.

Anwyay, here’s Bryce doing what he does best this season:

(If you’re looking for the ball in his pic, Cervelli is about to throw it down the third baseline.)

F Me In The Brain

tempo_n_groove

igotid88 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

igotid88 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Snell didn't make it?  They need to stop picking one player from every team.  Nobody cares to see undeserving players rewarded save people who embrace mediocrity. 

igotid88 said:

J.T. Realmuto should have been voted in as N.L. starting catcher. Players elected Posey over him. It took MLB office to get him in.

The starting team is by fan votes...

I know that. But the reserves are voted by players and the league. Wilson Contreras is the starting NL catcher. Then Posey was 1st reserve. MLB then picked Realmuto

Ahhh got it.  It's never perfect unfortunately.

Players wanted a vote for this very reason because they felt players were not recognized. But they do the same as well

Yep, exactly.

Let the fans vote.  

Hell Dale Jr was the most popular NASCAR driver for 12 years straight or something and I think he won 12 races over that span?

Wobbie

bartolo fucking colon can pass pedro fucking martinez to pass juan marichal for most wins as a dominican pitcher.

colon > marichal? puhleeze. face 

Cliffy6745

Wobbie said:

bartolo fucking colon can pass pedro fucking martinez to pass juan marichal for most wins as a dominican pitcher.

colon > marichal? puhleeze. face 

Saw a star that the Boston  coaching staff has more at bats against him than the team 

F Me In The Brain

Pedro ,= best Latino SP ever.  Nobody is close.

Wobbie

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tempo_n_groove

F Me In The Brain said:

Pedro ,= best Latino SP ever.  Nobody is close.

I will not agree as Marichal was an friggin beast back in a friendly hitters era.

igotid88

F Me In The Brain said:

Pedro ,= best Latino SP ever.  Nobody is close.

Marichal 

cutz

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Pedro ,= best Latino SP ever.  Nobody is close.

I will not agree as Marichal was an friggin beast back in a friendly hitters era.

I agree on Marichal being a beast in his day, but it's not like Pedro didn't pitch in a HR hitting era with all of the PED users he faced. And, he dominated. Just looking at each pitchers stats , Pedro has more Bold numbers then Marichal. Not a knock on Marichal as he had a hell of a career, but Pedro is the best for me.

F Me In The Brain

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Pedro ,= best Latino SP ever.  Nobody is close.

I will not agree as Marichal was an friggin beast back in a friendly hitters era.

Marichal was amazing, but I don't see how the hitters were better in JM's era.  Pedro pitched to steroid fueled monsters and was more dominant in his era. 
JM himself says Pedro is better.  I know they are good friends and that Pedro idolized Juan....but I stand by Pedro being who I vote for as the clear #1 for Latin pitchers.  Pedro has amazing career highlights, including 3 Cy Young awards.  

tempo_n_groove

So...

Bird Grand Salami.  Big Yanks win.

Sale is amazing as usual.  He through a back door slider on a batter that was just sick.  I'll take him over anyone else in the league, even DeGrom.

tempo_n_groove

F Me In The Brain said:

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Pedro ,= best Latino SP ever.  Nobody is close.

I will not agree as Marichal was an friggin beast back in a friendly hitters era.

Marichal was amazing, but I don't see how the hitters were better in JM's era.  Pedro pitched to steroid fueled monsters and was more dominant in his era. 
JM himself says Pedro is better.  I know they are good friends and that Pedro idolized Juan....but I stand by Pedro being who I vote for as the clear #1 for Latin pitchers.  Pedro has amazing career highlights, including 3 Cy Young awards.  

You forget that the mound was lowered and that altered the pitchers' reign over batters.  It's not that the hitters were better, they just had a better advantage after the mound was lowered.

F Me In The Brain

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Pedro ,= best Latino SP ever.  Nobody is close.

I will not agree as Marichal was an friggin beast back in a friendly hitters era.

Marichal was amazing, but I don't see how the hitters were better in JM's era.  Pedro pitched to steroid fueled monsters and was more dominant in his era. 
JM himself says Pedro is better.  I know they are good friends and that Pedro idolized Juan....but I stand by Pedro being who I vote for as the clear #1 for Latin pitchers.  Pedro has amazing career highlights, including 3 Cy Young awards.  

You forget that the mound was lowered and that altered the pitchers' reign over batters.  It's not that the hitters were better, they just had a better advantage after the mound was lowered.

Ah, end result would be the same, would it not?  That the pitchers had a tougher task when Petey threw the ball?

They are both great, we certainly agree on that.

When thinking about the best pitcher I ever saw throw, in person, I think Pedro is my answer.

I saw Nolan, Stewart, Carlton, Clemens, Gooden, Maddux, Randy Johnson, Glavine, Smoltz, and many others...I would say that even though I couldn't stand him when he played that I think Pedro was the best out of those.  I know his stats are not better than some of them but I would roll him out there for 1 start vs. any of those dudes.  I think he battled and he evolved in a pretty significant way and was one of the best ever.  (Too early to say on the current crop we are seeing like Kershaw and Verlander)

BTW, I hate the Red Sox.

tempo_n_groove

F Me In The Brain said:

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Pedro ,= best Latino SP ever.  Nobody is close.

I will not agree as Marichal was an friggin beast back in a friendly hitters era.

Marichal was amazing, but I don't see how the hitters were better in JM's era.  Pedro pitched to steroid fueled monsters and was more dominant in his era. 
JM himself says Pedro is better.  I know they are good friends and that Pedro idolized Juan....but I stand by Pedro being who I vote for as the clear #1 for Latin pitchers.  Pedro has amazing career highlights, including 3 Cy Young awards.  

You forget that the mound was lowered and that altered the pitchers' reign over batters.  It's not that the hitters were better, they just had a better advantage after the mound was lowered.

Ah, end result would be the same, would it not?  That the pitchers had a tougher task when Petey threw the ball?

They are both great, we certainly agree on that.

When thinking about the best pitcher I ever saw throw, in person, I think Pedro is my answer.

I saw Nolan, Stewart, Carlton, Clemens, Gooden, Maddux, Randy Johnson, Glavine, Smoltz, and many others...I would say that even though I couldn't stand him when he played that I think Pedro was the best out of those.  I know his stats are not better than some of them but I would roll him out there for 1 start vs. any of those dudes.  I think he battled and he evolved in a pretty significant way and was one of the best ever.  (Too early to say on the current crop we are seeing like Kershaw and Verlander)

BTW, I hate the Red Sox.

Here is the reason why I see it as different.

You are used to doing something and having an advantage with it but then that advantage is taken away and you have to adapt to the changes.

Ol' Petey never had to go through that though.  The mound was always 10" from the time he was in little league and until now.

As for best pitchers I've seen?  Maddux, Johnson and Clemens.  Nolan Ryan doesn't even make my top 10.  He was fun to watch but no where near one of the best in my opinion.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

tempo_n_groove said:

So...

Bird Grand Salami.  Big Yanks win.

Sale is amazing as usual.  He through a back door slider on a batter that was just sick.  I'll take him over anyone else in the league, even DeGrom.

Even DeGrom?

You think he's better than Scherzer? Or Kluber? I won't mention Kershaw given his status right now.

I'm not trying to start an argument. I'm just curious to what you think there? He's really good, but I'd even have Cole and maybe even Snell over him at this point in time. 

HesCalledDyer

Bash Brothers v2.0

Francisco Lindor & Jose Ramirez are having incredible years!

First teammates in MLB history under the age of 25 to have 25 HR before the All-Star break.

Only the second pair of teammates, any age, to have 25 HR & 25 2B before the All-Star break (Pujols & Edmonds, 2003)

On pace to become only the second pair of teammates ever to hit 90+ XBH in a season (Ruth & Gehrig, 1927)

F Me In The Brain

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Pedro ,= best Latino SP ever.  Nobody is close.

I will not agree as Marichal was an friggin beast back in a friendly hitters era.

Marichal was amazing, but I don't see how the hitters were better in JM's era.  Pedro pitched to steroid fueled monsters and was more dominant in his era. 
JM himself says Pedro is better.  I know they are good friends and that Pedro idolized Juan....but I stand by Pedro being who I vote for as the clear #1 for Latin pitchers.  Pedro has amazing career highlights, including 3 Cy Young awards.  

You forget that the mound was lowered and that altered the pitchers' reign over batters.  It's not that the hitters were better, they just had a better advantage after the mound was lowered.

Ah, end result would be the same, would it not?  That the pitchers had a tougher task when Petey threw the ball?

They are both great, we certainly agree on that.

When thinking about the best pitcher I ever saw throw, in person, I think Pedro is my answer.

I saw Nolan, Stewart, Carlton, Clemens, Gooden, Maddux, Randy Johnson, Glavine, Smoltz, and many others...I would say that even though I couldn't stand him when he played that I think Pedro was the best out of those.  I know his stats are not better than some of them but I would roll him out there for 1 start vs. any of those dudes.  I think he battled and he evolved in a pretty significant way and was one of the best ever.  (Too early to say on the current crop we are seeing like Kershaw and Verlander)

BTW, I hate the Red Sox.

Here is the reason why I see it as different.

You are used to doing something and having an advantage with it but then that advantage is taken away and you have to adapt to the changes.

Ol' Petey never had to go through that though.  The mound was always 10" from the time he was in little league and until now.

As for best pitchers I've seen?  Maddux, Johnson and Clemens.  Nolan Ryan doesn't even make my top 10.  He was fun to watch but no where near one of the best in my opinion.

Some good points.  Since it is an opinion thing and we will never know -- we can both be right in our opinions. 

Same for best pitchers seen...I popped Ryan in there as I was just thinking of great ones.  Saw Maddux, Johnson, and Clemens many times each.  Probably Clemens the most consistently throughout his career - going to Fenway for "home" games as a youth I saw him a lot.  He was a cheater so I move him down a few notches (no judgement, I would take steroids if they put/kept me in the majors...in the blink of an eye) and Ol' Petey stays up top.

Favorite pitcher to see live?  That is easier, for me -- Jose Rijo.  Being a Redlegs fan, he was the shit for a short period of time.  Dibble was fun for me as well.  Favorite does not in any way equate to best.  Tom Browning was fun from the perspective of speed pitching.  As soon as he got the ball back from the catcher he was in a hurry to throw that pitch.  Unusual and cool.