My Reds have made such amazing moves this offseason! Oh yeah -- not really. Will suck again next year. Grumble. Wasting the amazing talent that is Joey Votto with no fucking pitching.
My Reds have made such amazing moves this offseason! Oh yeah -- not really. Will suck again next year. Grumble. Wasting the amazing talent that is Joey Votto with no fucking pitching.
I'm an Angels and Yankees fan so the Angels made a move for Ohtani but that's not going to bare any fruit for a while... Yanks, well, they are the Yankees.
My Reds have made such amazing moves this offseason! Oh yeah -- not really. Will suck again next year. Grumble. Wasting the amazing talent that is Joey Votto with no fucking pitching.
I'm an Angels and Yankees fan so the Angels made a move for Ohtani but that's not going to bare any fruit for a while... Yanks, well, they are the Yankees.
My Reds have made such amazing moves this offseason! Oh yeah -- not really. Will suck again next year. Grumble. Wasting the amazing talent that is Joey Votto with no fucking pitching.
I'm an Angels and Yankees fan so the Angels made a move for Ohtani but that's not going to bare any fruit for a while... Yanks, well, they are the Yankees.
Angels & NYY fan? How does that happen?
Longoria gone. Is Archer next?
Reggie Jackson was my favorite player on the Yankees. He left to go west to the Angels so I was torn.
My Reds have made such amazing moves this offseason! Oh yeah -- not really. Will suck again next year. Grumble. Wasting the amazing talent that is Joey Votto with no fucking pitching.
I'm an Angels and Yankees fan so the Angels made a move for Ohtani but that's not going to bare any fruit for a while... Yanks, well, they are the Yankees.
Angels & NYY fan? How does that happen?
Longoria gone. Is Archer next?
Reggie Jackson was my favorite player on the Yankees. He left to go west to the Angels so I was torn.
I root for both teams.
fraudulent.
If I had known then what I know now...
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Johan Santana and other obvious ones won't get the necessary 5% to stay on the ballot next year. Weird that Ozzie Smith was a first ballot. But Omar Visquel who's basically similar with a little more power may never get in.
Johan Santana and other obvious ones won't get the necessary 5% to stay on the ballot next year. Weird that Ozzie Smith was a first ballot. But Omar Visquel who's basically similar with a little more power may never get in.
He should get in solely on his defense. He should get in for that alone.
My Reds have made such amazing moves this offseason! Oh yeah -- not really. Will suck again next year. Grumble. Wasting the amazing talent that is Joey Votto with no fucking pitching.
I'm an Angels and Yankees fan so the Angels made a move for Ohtani but that's not going to bare any fruit for a while... Yanks, well, they are the Yankees.
Angels & NYY fan? How does that happen?
Longoria gone. Is Archer next?
Reggie Jackson was my favorite player on the Yankees. He left to go west to the Angels so I was torn.
I root for both teams.
fraudulent.
You are a curmudgeon and don't seem to be liking much of anything these days so I am sending you a hug for Christmas!!!
I am a baseball fan in general and will root for Bryce Harper and Kershaw the same day in the same game...
I started a different thread so it doesn't get lost in here.
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But still gonna call themselves "Indians" so why not wear the fucking patch?
All this shit with being upset/offended about sports names & logos is fucking ridiculous.
I would have no problem with having a team being called the Harrisburg Honkies...
Well, I mean, obviously if a team is called something that's blatantly a racial slur, but people that get bent out of shape over things like Indians, Braves, Blackhawks, Orangemen (not even racial), Fighting Sioux, Seminoles (the last two which are fully endorsed by the tribes themselves), etc. That's just ridiculous. And the logos? Find me one sports team whose logo isn't a caricature of some person, animal, or landmark. Don't see anyone offended by the Patriots or Padres characters.
Yet somehow "Redskins" is sacred territory, it seems.
orangemen refers to whom? I know syracuse but I’m asking origin.
redskins IS offensive.
my utah utes have the endorsement of the ute tribe.
bottom line, though, is that maybe us WASPs shouldn’t assume what is ir is not offensive to people of other ethnicities.
If I had known then what I know now...
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orangemen refers to whom? I know syracuse but I’m asking origin.
redskins IS offensive.
my utah utes have the endorsement of the ute tribe.
bottom line, though, is that maybe us WASPs shouldn’t assume what is ir is not offensive to people of other ethnicities.
There is a lot of white guilt wrapped up in this one.
More white people find this offensive now than the native Americans. Listen to a talk show and who finds it offensive on the show? It's not someone a Native American!
But if you really look into it the caricature is resembling a white man dressed up in red makeup to look like a NA and that is not ok.
orangemen refers to whom? I know syracuse but I’m asking origin.
redskins IS offensive.
my utah utes have the endorsement of the ute tribe.
bottom line, though, is that maybe us WASPs shouldn’t assume what is ir is not offensive to people of other ethnicities.
There is a lot of white guilt wrapped up in this one.
More white people find this offensive now than the native Americans. Listen to a talk show and who finds it offensive on the show? It's not someone a Native American!
But if you really look into it the caricature is resembling a white man dressed up in red makeup to look like a NA and that is not ok.
You listen to a lot of Native American talk shows?
orangemen refers to whom? I know syracuse but I’m asking origin.
redskins IS offensive.
my utah utes have the endorsement of the ute tribe.
bottom line, though, is that maybe us WASPs shouldn’t assume what is ir is not offensive to people of other ethnicities.
There is a lot of white guilt wrapped up in this one.
More white people find this offensive now than the native Americans. Listen to a talk show and who finds it offensive on the show? It's not someone a Native American!
But if you really look into it the caricature is resembling a white man dressed up in red makeup to look like a NA and that is not ok.
You listen to a lot of Native American talk shows?
I listen to talk shows in general and they have Caucasian, African american, Asian, Mexican, South American, Jamaican people on there just to name a few. Not so many Native Americans.
orangemen refers to whom? I know syracuse but I’m asking origin.
redskins IS offensive.
my utah utes have the endorsement of the ute tribe.
bottom line, though, is that maybe us WASPs shouldn’t assume what is ir is not offensive to people of other ethnicities.
The Orangemen originally refer to the supporters of King William III ("William of Orange"), who led his Protestant supporters in several wars against Catholic King Louis XIV of France in the 17th century, eventually coming to terms of peace. He also led the Glorious Revolution, overthrowing King James II and establishing the Bill of Rights (1689, still in effect). However:
There is currently a fraternal organization in Northern Ireland called the Orange Order (who refer to themselves as Orangemen), who - much like Trump supporters and extreme right wing republicans in the US - claim to defend civil and religious liberties, but are often criticized as being supremacist.
So, to distance themselves from that group, Syracuse changed their name, depsite originally being named after King William.
orangemen refers to whom? I know syracuse but I’m asking origin.
redskins IS offensive.
my utah utes have the endorsement of the ute tribe.
bottom line, though, is that maybe us WASPs shouldn’t assume what is ir is not offensive to people of other ethnicities.
There is a lot of white guilt wrapped up in this one.
More white people find this offensive now than the native Americans. Listen to a talk show and who finds it offensive on the show? It's not someone a Native American!
But if you really look into it the caricature is resembling a white man dressed up in red makeup to look like a NA and that is not ok.
You listen to a lot of Native American talk shows?
I listen to talk shows in general and they have Caucasian, African american, Asian, Mexican, South American, Jamaican people on there just to name a few. Not so many Native Americans.
C'mon man, that was a troll question.
It kinda was, but at the same time you're saying Native Americans don't find it offensive because on talk shows Native Americans don't express their outrage. Not exactly a statistically significant sample size...
orangemen refers to whom? I know syracuse but I’m asking origin.
redskins IS offensive.
my utah utes have the endorsement of the ute tribe.
bottom line, though, is that maybe us WASPs shouldn’t assume what is ir is not offensive to people of other ethnicities.
The Orangemen originally refer to the supporters of King William III ("William of Orange"), who led his Protestant supporters in several wars against Catholic King Louis XIV of France in the 17th century, eventually coming to terms of peace. He also led the Glorious Revolution, overthrowing King James II and establishing the Bill of Rights (1689, still in effect). However:
There is currently a fraternal organization in Northern Ireland called the Orange Order (who refer to themselves as Orangemen), who - much like Trump supporters and extreme right wing republicans in the US - claim to defend civil and religious liberties, but are often criticized as being supremacist.
So, to distance themselves from that group, Syracuse changed their name, depsite originally being named after King William.
The Syracuse mascot was originally a Native American character named "The Saltine Warrior" (Syracuse's unofficial nickname is the Salt City) and "Big Chief Bill Orange".[1] The character was born out of a hoax in which it was claimed that a 16th-century OnondoganIndian chief was unearthed while digging the foundation for the women's gymnasium in 1928.
In the mid-1950s, the father of a Lambda Chi Alpha fraternity brother owned a cheerleading camp. He made a Saltine Warrior costume for his son to wear at SU football games. Thus began a nearly forty-year tradition of Lambda Chi brothers serving as SU's mascot. In 1990 however the University opened up the mascot traditions to the entire student body (Daily Orange, February 22, 1990).
In 1978, Native American students successfully petitioned the University to discontinue the Saltine Warrior, citing the mascot's stereotypical portrayal of Native Americans. During the 1978 season, the University introduced a Roman gladiator dressed in orange armor, but the idea proved largely unpopular among fans, who regularly booed the mascot.
orangemen refers to whom? I know syracuse but I’m asking origin.
redskins IS offensive.
my utah utes have the endorsement of the ute tribe.
bottom line, though, is that maybe us WASPs shouldn’t assume what is ir is not offensive to people of other ethnicities.
There is a lot of white guilt wrapped up in this one.
More white people find this offensive now than the native Americans. Listen to a talk show and who finds it offensive on the show? It's not someone a Native American!
But if you really look into it the caricature is resembling a white man dressed up in red makeup to look like a NA and that is not ok.
You listen to a lot of Native American talk shows?
I listen to talk shows in general and they have Caucasian, African american, Asian, Mexican, South American, Jamaican people on there just to name a few. Not so many Native Americans.
C'mon man, that was a troll question.
It kinda was, but at the same time you're saying Native Americans don't find it offensive because on talk shows Native Americans don't express their outrage. Not exactly a statistically significant sample size...
I was going for the angle of "look who IS offended" on these shows. But you have a valid point.
Curious as I do a lot of sports news and what not but haven't heard a panel or open discussion with an actual Native American.
I can see why it is looked at as offensive and more interesting is the owner of the Chiefs view of his team and logo.
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Oh yeah -- not really. Will suck again next year.
Grumble.
Wasting the amazing talent that is Joey Votto with no fucking pitching.
Yanks, well, they are the Yankees.
Longoria gone. Is Archer next?
I root for both teams.
fraudulent.
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I am a baseball fan in general and will root for Bryce Harper and Kershaw the same day in the same game...
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"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
All this shit with being upset/offended about sports names & logos is fucking ridiculous.
Yet somehow "Redskins" is sacred territory, it seems.
redskins IS offensive.
my utah utes have the endorsement of the ute tribe.
bottom line, though, is that maybe us WASPs shouldn’t assume what is ir is not offensive to people of other ethnicities.
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
More white people find this offensive now than the native Americans. Listen to a talk show and who finds it offensive on the show? It's not someone a Native American!
But if you really look into it the caricature is resembling a white man dressed up in red makeup to look like a NA and that is not ok.
C'mon man, that was a troll question.
There is currently a fraternal organization in Northern Ireland called the Orange Order (who refer to themselves as Orangemen), who - much like Trump supporters and extreme right wing republicans in the US - claim to defend civil and religious liberties, but are often criticized as being supremacist.
So, to distance themselves from that group, Syracuse changed their name, depsite originally being named after King William.
Saltine Warrior[edit]
The Syracuse mascot was originally a Native American character named "The Saltine Warrior" (Syracuse's unofficial nickname is the Salt City) and "Big Chief Bill Orange".[1] The character was born out of a hoax in which it was claimed that a 16th-century OnondoganIndian chief was unearthed while digging the foundation for the women's gymnasium in 1928.
In the mid-1950s, the father of a Lambda Chi Alpha fraternity brother owned a cheerleading camp. He made a Saltine Warrior costume for his son to wear at SU football games. Thus began a nearly forty-year tradition of Lambda Chi brothers serving as SU's mascot. In 1990 however the University opened up the mascot traditions to the entire student body (Daily Orange, February 22, 1990).
In 1978, Native American students successfully petitioned the University to discontinue the Saltine Warrior, citing the mascot's stereotypical portrayal of Native Americans. During the 1978 season, the University introduced a Roman gladiator dressed in orange armor, but the idea proved largely unpopular among fans, who regularly booed the mascot.
Curious as I do a lot of sports news and what not but haven't heard a panel or open discussion with an actual Native American.
I can see why it is looked at as offensive and more interesting is the owner of the Chiefs view of his team and logo.