money well spent.....as opposed to albert's deal :shock:
I think he's gonna be real good. He's going to have to get through the leauge a couple times before it's for sure, but signs are pointing to him being really really good. God damn, Yankees. Should have listened to me.
I think he's gonna be real good. He's going to have to get through the leauge a couple times before it's for sure, but signs are pointing to him being really really good. God damn, Yankees. Should have listened to me.
yeah, second time thru could be telling.
and, hell yes, the yanks should be listening to cliffy just like the giants should be listening to me (release huff).
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
I think he's gonna be real good. He's going to have to get through the leauge a couple times before it's for sure, but signs are pointing to him being really really good. God damn, Yankees. Should have listened to me.
yeah, second time thru could be telling.
and, hell yes, the yanks should be listening to cliffy just like the giants should be listening to me (release huff).
It's a shame all we do is post these recommendations on a Pearl Jam message board, rather than getting paid millions for them.
money well spent.....as opposed to albert's deal :shock:
0 home runs in April. Ouch!!! :fp:
angel pagan has FOUR :shock:
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
the los angeles dodgers are no longer owned by frank mcccourt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he's lurking....looking for an opportunity to get back in.
considering he now owns or co- owns all the property around the stadium i don't think we'll ever be rid of him
like a cockroach
find or make a jpg
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
these things are created strictly for reactionary purposes. reactions = readership
bottom line...they're pointless
I agree, but I have never seen them be this over the top before.
I don't know what's going on at si.com lately but their baseball coverage this season seems to be taking a turn towards becoming SABR-centric to the point of absurdity. Not only are the rankings becoming completely ridiculous, there's an article by Cliff Corcoran about Matt Kemp's April performance that mentions a stat I've never seen before called GPA (Gross Production Average). He tries to explain why this stat is better that OPS but fails. He says it gives OBP its "proper weight" by multiplying it by 1.8 before adding it to SLG and then converting it into a percentage like batting average. However, he doesn't explain why multiplying OBP by 1.8 gives it its "proper weight," how someone came up with 1.8 as the magic number to use, or how that is then converted into GPA since the formula (OBP X 1.8) + SLG doesn't equal the numbers he gives for GPA. I figured out that he divides that total by 4, but I don't see a reason for it and he doesn't even tell you that he does that let alone say why.
I don't know what's going on at si.com lately but their baseball coverage this season seems to be taking a turn towards becoming SABR-centric to the point of absurdity. Not only are the rankings becoming completely ridiculous, there's an article by Cliff Corcoran about Matt Kemp's April performance that mentions a stat I've never seen before called GPA (Gross Production Average). He tries to explain why this stat is better that OPS but fails. He says it gives OBP its "proper weight" by multiplying it by 1.8 before adding it to SLG and then converting it into a percentage like batting average. However, he doesn't explain why multiplying OBP by 1.8 gives it its "proper weight," how someone came up with 1.8 as the magic number to use, or how that is then converted into GPA since the formula (OBP X 1.8) + SLG doesn't equal the numbers he gives for GPA. I figured out that he divides that total by 4, but I don't see a reason for it and he doesn't even tell you that he does that let alone say why.
I prefer to judge baseball with my eyes.....rather than with a slide rule :wtf:
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
I don't know what's going on at si.com lately but their baseball coverage this season seems to be taking a turn towards becoming SABR-centric to the point of absurdity. Not only are the rankings becoming completely ridiculous, there's an article by Cliff Corcoran about Matt Kemp's April performance that mentions a stat I've never seen before called GPA (Gross Production Average). He tries to explain why this stat is better that OPS but fails. He says it gives OBP its "proper weight" by multiplying it by 1.8 before adding it to SLG and then converting it into a percentage like batting average. However, he doesn't explain why multiplying OBP by 1.8 gives it its "proper weight," how someone came up with 1.8 as the magic number to use, or how that is then converted into GPA since the formula (OBP X 1.8) + SLG doesn't equal the numbers he gives for GPA. I figured out that he divides that total by 4, but I don't see a reason for it and he doesn't even tell you that he does that let alone say why.
:? My head is spinning.
At least when ESPN made up their QBR, they explained it.
I don't know what's going on at si.com lately but their baseball coverage this season seems to be taking a turn towards becoming SABR-centric to the point of absurdity. Not only are the rankings becoming completely ridiculous, there's an article by Cliff Corcoran about Matt Kemp's April performance that mentions a stat I've never seen before called GPA (Gross Production Average). He tries to explain why this stat is better that OPS but fails. He says it gives OBP its "proper weight" by multiplying it by 1.8 before adding it to SLG and then converting it into a percentage like batting average. However, he doesn't explain why multiplying OBP by 1.8 gives it its "proper weight," how someone came up with 1.8 as the magic number to use, or how that is then converted into GPA since the formula (OBP X 1.8) + SLG doesn't equal the numbers he gives for GPA. I figured out that he divides that total by 4, but I don't see a reason for it and he doesn't even tell you that he does that let alone say why.
:? My head is spinning.
At least when ESPN made up their QBR, they explained it.
That's strange. I haven't read Cliff Corcoran since he left Bronx Banter, but I always liked his writing a lot. Been a couple years though. Losing Joe Poz has to hurt SI.
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I don't know what's going on at si.com lately but their baseball coverage this season seems to be taking a turn towards becoming SABR-centric to the point of absurdity. Not only are the rankings becoming completely ridiculous, there's an article by Cliff Corcoran about Matt Kemp's April performance that mentions a stat I've never seen before called GPA (Gross Production Average). He tries to explain why this stat is better that OPS but fails. He says it gives OBP its "proper weight" by multiplying it by 1.8 before adding it to SLG and then converting it into a percentage like batting average. However, he doesn't explain why multiplying OBP by 1.8 gives it its "proper weight," how someone came up with 1.8 as the magic number to use, or how that is then converted into GPA since the formula (OBP X 1.8) + SLG doesn't equal the numbers he gives for GPA. I figured out that he divides that total by 4, but I don't see a reason for it and he doesn't even tell you that he does that let alone say why.
I prefer to judge baseball with my eyes.....rather than with a slide rule :wtf:
no kidding.... :fp:
if i want stats, just give me the basic box score stats....i shouldn't need to be a rocket scientist to figure things out.
it's best to just watch the game and avoid reading about it.
I don't know what's going on at si.com lately but their baseball coverage this season seems to be taking a turn towards becoming SABR-centric to the point of absurdity. Not only are the rankings becoming completely ridiculous, there's an article by Cliff Corcoran about Matt Kemp's April performance that mentions a stat I've never seen before called GPA (Gross Production Average). He tries to explain why this stat is better that OPS but fails. He says it gives OBP its "proper weight" by multiplying it by 1.8 before adding it to SLG and then converting it into a percentage like batting average. However, he doesn't explain why multiplying OBP by 1.8 gives it its "proper weight," how someone came up with 1.8 as the magic number to use, or how that is then converted into GPA since the formula (OBP X 1.8) + SLG doesn't equal the numbers he gives for GPA. I figured out that he divides that total by 4, but I don't see a reason for it and he doesn't even tell you that he does that let alone say why.
I prefer to judge baseball with my eyes.....rather than with a slide rule :wtf:
I agree. I always used to say that during the heyday of the Jeter, Garciaparra, ARod debates over who was the best SS. ARod and Nomar were putting up monster stats and all Jeter was doing was winning rings. I'll take the rings.
I don't know what's going on at si.com lately but their baseball coverage this season seems to be taking a turn towards becoming SABR-centric to the point of absurdity. Not only are the rankings becoming completely ridiculous, there's an article by Cliff Corcoran about Matt Kemp's April performance that mentions a stat I've never seen before called GPA (Gross Production Average). He tries to explain why this stat is better that OPS but fails. He says it gives OBP its "proper weight" by multiplying it by 1.8 before adding it to SLG and then converting it into a percentage like batting average. However, he doesn't explain why multiplying OBP by 1.8 gives it its "proper weight," how someone came up with 1.8 as the magic number to use, or how that is then converted into GPA since the formula (OBP X 1.8) + SLG doesn't equal the numbers he gives for GPA. I figured out that he divides that total by 4, but I don't see a reason for it and he doesn't even tell you that he does that let alone say why.
I prefer to judge baseball with my eyes.....rather than with a slide rule :wtf:
I agree. I always used to say that during the heyday of the Jeter, Garciaparra, ARod debates over who was the best SS. ARod and Nomar were putting up monster stats and all Jeter was doing was winning rings. I'll take the rings.
I love Jeter, but either of those players would have won rigns with those Yankees teams.
Some of the stats are good, some are overboard. I like WAR but think it's directional and is obviously a summary of a lot of other stats. OPS and OPS+ are great. Defensive stats still aren't great. I don't have to get into pitchers stats too much, think WHIP, ERA and ERA+ are perfect.
I love Jeter, but either of those players would have won rigns with those Yankees teams.
Intangibles. Neither of those guys would have been embraced like Jeter and certainly neither of those two are Captain's material.
Dude, if Arod came up with the Yankees and hit .358 with 36 home runs in his first season there would be daily comparsions to Babe Ruth. Hindsight is 20/20.
I love Jeter, but either of those players would have won rigns with those Yankees teams.
Intangibles. Neither of those guys would have been embraced like Jeter and certainly neither of those two are Captain's material.
Dude, if Arod came up with the Yankees and hit .358 with 36 home runs in his first season there would be daily comparsions to Babe Ruth. Hindsight is 20/20.
I truly don't believe that but to each his own. As you know Yankee fans have that ability to pick out the quality people and teammates and appreciate them for that. I mean Nick Swisher is a bigger rock star to Yankee fans than ARod could ever dream to be.
I truly don't believe that but to each his own. As you know Yankee fans have that ability to pick out the quality people and teammates and appreciate them for that. I mean Nick Swisher is a bigger rock star to Yankee fans than ARod could ever dream to be.
People like Roger Clemens? He's a fucking dirtball and got one of the biggest ovations I can remember. All you gotta do is perform and win.
Edit: And don't get me wrong, Jeter is by far my favorite player ever. But if he started on the Mariners and Arod started on the Yankees, before PEDs, Arod would have had Mickey Mantle hype.
I truly don't believe that but to each his own. As you know Yankee fans have that ability to pick out the quality people and teammates and appreciate them for that. I mean Nick Swisher is a bigger rock star to Yankee fans than ARod could ever dream to be.
People like Roger Clemens? He's a fucking dirtball and got one of the biggest ovations I can remember. All you gotta do is perform and win.
And I remember ARod getting some big ovations. I also remember him being booed pretty hard quite a bit. I remember Jeter geting booed once at the Stadium when he opened the season in that horrible slump, I think it was 06 maybe 07, it made the papers and pretty much that shit stopped quickly. We're kind of debating nothing here. All I will say is I will take what I see on the ball field over what I see with the numbers anyday. I have yet to still see this play in the stats.
I truly don't believe that but to each his own. As you know Yankee fans have that ability to pick out the quality people and teammates and appreciate them for that. I mean Nick Swisher is a bigger rock star to Yankee fans than ARod could ever dream to be.
People like Roger Clemens? He's a fucking dirtball and got one of the biggest ovations I can remember. All you gotta do is perform and win.
And I remember ARod getting some big ovations. I also remember him being booed pretty hard quite a bit. I remember Jeter geting booed once at the Stadium when he opened the season in that horrible slump, I think it was 06 maybe 07, it made the papers and pretty much that shit stopped quickly. We're kind of debating nothing here. All I will say is I will take what I see on the ball field over what I see with the numbers anyday. I have yet to still see this play in the stats.
Great play. And anyway you want to look at it, Jeter is currently better than Arod, which is pretty crazy.
I truly don't believe that but to each his own. As you know Yankee fans have that ability to pick out the quality people and teammates and appreciate them for that. I mean Nick Swisher is a bigger rock star to Yankee fans than ARod could ever dream to be.
People like Roger Clemens? He's a fucking dirtball and got one of the biggest ovations I can remember. All you gotta do is perform and win.
And I remember ARod getting some big ovations. I also remember him being booed pretty hard quite a bit. I remember Jeter geting booed once at the Stadium when he opened the season in that horrible slump, I think it was 06 maybe 07, it made the papers and pretty much that shit stopped quickly. We're kind of debating nothing here. All I will say is I will take what I see on the ball field over what I see with the numbers anyday. I have yet to still see this play in the stats.
Or...
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I love in an interview with Jason Giambi when he came the follwoing year they asked him about this play and he was laughing. SOmething about he didn't see them practicing it. You can't practice shit like that. You just do it.
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I think he's gonna be real good. He's going to have to get through the leauge a couple times before it's for sure, but signs are pointing to him being really really good. God damn, Yankees. Should have listened to me.
yeah, second time thru could be telling.
and, hell yes, the yanks should be listening to cliffy just like the giants should be listening to me (release huff).
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
It's a shame all we do is post these recommendations on a Pearl Jam message board, rather than getting paid millions for them.
0 home runs in April. Ouch!!! :fp:
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
the guy that wrote angelas ashes owned the dodgers??? :shock:
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
he's lurking....looking for an opportunity to get back in.
angel pagan has FOUR :shock:
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
he's lurking....looking for an opportunity to get back in.
considering he now owns or co- owns all the property around the stadium i don't think we'll ever be rid of him
like a cockroach
find or make a jpg
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
'This boats not safe
And we're drowning.'
Royals at #9 and Detroit at #30.
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
these things are created strictly for reactionary purposes. reactions = readership
bottom line...they're pointless
I agree, but I have never seen them be this over the top before.
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
I don't know what's going on at si.com lately but their baseball coverage this season seems to be taking a turn towards becoming SABR-centric to the point of absurdity. Not only are the rankings becoming completely ridiculous, there's an article by Cliff Corcoran about Matt Kemp's April performance that mentions a stat I've never seen before called GPA (Gross Production Average). He tries to explain why this stat is better that OPS but fails. He says it gives OBP its "proper weight" by multiplying it by 1.8 before adding it to SLG and then converting it into a percentage like batting average. However, he doesn't explain why multiplying OBP by 1.8 gives it its "proper weight," how someone came up with 1.8 as the magic number to use, or how that is then converted into GPA since the formula (OBP X 1.8) + SLG doesn't equal the numbers he gives for GPA. I figured out that he divides that total by 4, but I don't see a reason for it and he doesn't even tell you that he does that let alone say why.
I prefer to judge baseball with my eyes.....rather than with a slide rule :wtf:
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
:? My head is spinning.
At least when ESPN made up their QBR, they explained it.
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
That's strange. I haven't read Cliff Corcoran since he left Bronx Banter, but I always liked his writing a lot. Been a couple years though. Losing Joe Poz has to hurt SI.
no kidding.... :fp:
if i want stats, just give me the basic box score stats....i shouldn't need to be a rocket scientist to figure things out.
it's best to just watch the game and avoid reading about it.
I agree. I always used to say that during the heyday of the Jeter, Garciaparra, ARod debates over who was the best SS. ARod and Nomar were putting up monster stats and all Jeter was doing was winning rings. I'll take the rings.
I love Jeter, but either of those players would have won rigns with those Yankees teams.
Intangibles. Neither of those guys would have been embraced like Jeter and certainly neither of those two are Captain's material.
Dude, if Arod came up with the Yankees and hit .358 with 36 home runs in his first season there would be daily comparsions to Babe Ruth. Hindsight is 20/20.
I truly don't believe that but to each his own. As you know Yankee fans have that ability to pick out the quality people and teammates and appreciate them for that. I mean Nick Swisher is a bigger rock star to Yankee fans than ARod could ever dream to be.
People like Roger Clemens? He's a fucking dirtball and got one of the biggest ovations I can remember. All you gotta do is perform and win.
Edit: And don't get me wrong, Jeter is by far my favorite player ever. But if he started on the Mariners and Arod started on the Yankees, before PEDs, Arod would have had Mickey Mantle hype.
And I remember ARod getting some big ovations. I also remember him being booed pretty hard quite a bit. I remember Jeter geting booed once at the Stadium when he opened the season in that horrible slump, I think it was 06 maybe 07, it made the papers and pretty much that shit stopped quickly. We're kind of debating nothing here.
Great play. And anyway you want to look at it, Jeter is currently better than Arod, which is pretty crazy.
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
I love in an interview with Jason Giambi when he came the follwoing year they asked him about this play and he was laughing. SOmething about he didn't see them practicing it.
Jeremy "I'm too good to slide" Giambi
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18