MLB 2023 Off Season

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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South PhillyPosts: 15,813
    MayDay10 said:
    erebus said:
    tbergs said:
    Poncier said:
    Nashville and baseball?  That would be interesting.  That means the team will be music related I'm sure...
    As of now the initiative is named after the former negro league team, the Stars. Would be cool if they kept this.

    Too funny...he's going back to the Twins

    Extremely funny.
    Nashville Stars does not have a good ring to it...
    They should make it Nashville Northstars
    HAHAHAHA!  That's funny and I was thinking the same thing.
    Any team that includes stars or north stars just brings back memories of MN losing hockey to Dallas in the 90's. So stupid.
    North stars and Nordiques moving I'll never understand.  When The Avalanche(Nordiques) win a cup in their 1st year away from Quebec?  Man that must still sting for them up there. 

    They have 3 since leaving...
    Lindros refusing to go to Quebec lead them to a great roster. 
    Bettman moved both the Nordiques and Jets (although there were other issues for both) yet continues to bend over backwards for the Coyotes.
    Playing in a 5000 seat arena is an absolute joke for the NHL
    Its about the US television footprint.  Hartford does little, but moving into North Carolina into new territory was a good business decision.  Jets moving to Phoenix, yes.  Quebec City to Denver.  Minnesota to Dallas...  However, Minneapolis should have an NHL team and they rightly got one back. They were forcing all the markets to pony up for the new cookie cutter arenas of the 90s, and those who didn't build were left behind.   Atlanta back to Winnipeg was a weird one, but they had a guy with like $20 Billion ready to pony up in their league and a messy situation in Atlanta.

    The Coyotes is an interesting one.  I cant shit on them too much.  Huge playoff drought.  Since they moved there like 25 years ago, there has only been 1 season they have won a playoff series.  That arena in Glendale really choked attendance off.  I'm surprised the NHL hasnt tried to grease them into Houston yet, but this new arena project sounds pretty lucrative.

    I'm a guy who really prefers and misses the old NHL pre-1994.  However, I get why the NHL did what they did and it has worked out very well
    I'd also add most, if not all, expansions/relocations/stadium refurbs or builds were paid with tax dollar money back then. Which very much is not the landscape today, or at least certainly not to the degree it was in the 90's.
  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PAPosts: 38,050
    So who gets in HoF this year? Sheffield? Rolen? Other?

    I think Sheffield and Helton have the best shot at getting in this year.
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    Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly
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  • markymark550markymark550 Columbia, SCPosts: 4,963
    Rolen made it in with 76.3% of the vote.

    Helton just missed with 72.2%. Wagner is the only other player that was close with 68.1% of the vote. With the way they've been trending, they have the best chance next year.
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 27,875
    HOVG.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    Columbus 10
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    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 24,694
    How does Scott Rolen get in and not Sheffield?
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 11,947
    The baseball HOF is a joke these days. Scott Rolen please.  The steriod superstars can't get in so let's put a player who was really good but  never great. Never a top 10 player in the game in any year.  
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 24,694
    edited January 25
    pjhawks said:
    The baseball HOF is a joke these days. Scott Rolen please.  The steriod superstars can't get in so let's put a player who was really good but  never great. Never a top 10 player in the game in any year.  
    Definition of a compiler. Once they put Alan Trammell and Harold Baines in these are the players that would never have gone in
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 44,106
    igotid88 said:
    pjhawks said:
    The baseball HOF is a joke these days. Scott Rolen please.  The steriod superstars can't get in so let's put a player who was really good but  never great. Never a top 10 player in the game in any year.  
    Definition of a compiler. Once they put Alan Trammell and Harold Baines in these are the players that would never have gone in
    But Rolen wasn't even that, in relation to the era in which he played. A lot of gold gloves, deservedly so. One of the greatest defensive third basemen ever. But he really fell off after he hurt his back in '05. 
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 27,875
    igotid88 said:
    How does Scott Rolen get in and not Sheffield?
    he’s trending toward induction, so another selective steroid guy will get in to join pudge, piazza, bagwell and who knows who else. :angry:
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    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PAPosts: 38,050
    If Rolen is in then so should be Helton. Almost identical numbers. I guess he goes in as a Cardinal?
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    10/22/13- Philly, PA
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    Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,220

    Keep Rolen, Rolen, Rolen, Rolen (what)

    Keep Rolen, Rolen, Rolen, Rolen (come on)

    Keep Rolen, Rolen, Rolen, Rolen (yeah)

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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 27,875
    years from now, visitors can ooh and ahh over rolen, baines and helton. :angry:
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 35,271
    Rolen and Jones should be in.  Sheffield?  Never led in any category, never had an MVP or GG.  He did get the magical number of 500 HR so he should be in.

    Andru Jones and Scott Rolen both were great players for 10 years.  That is the definition/requisite needed to be considered to the HOF.

    Baines I still don't see as being one of those players...
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 35,271

    Keep Rolen, Rolen, Rolen, Rolen (what)

    Keep Rolen, Rolen, Rolen, Rolen (come on)

    Keep Rolen, Rolen, Rolen, Rolen (yeah)

    This made me chuckle.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 35,271
    Asshole author of the article but he does have a point.
    https://www.outkick.com/mlb-hall-of-fame-voter-didnt-vote-for-anyone-for-the-third-year-in-a-row-ron-cook/

    Some BBW had a no vote for 3 years now...
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,356
    edited January 25
    Jones only beat out Rolen with Hr total. All around hitter, goes to Rolen by a notable margin. I put a large premium on 3B GG vs OF one’s. 


    Both could probably be in on fielding alone. 
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 27,875
    In his 17 year career, Rolen got MVP votes four times. He finished 20, 24, 4 and 14. that’s not HOF worthy, IMO. :nuh_uh:
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PAPosts: 38,050
    Wobbie said:
    In his 17 year career, Rolen got MVP votes four times. He finished 20, 24, 4 and 14. that’s not HOF worthy, IMO. :nuh_uh:

    I said thhis earlier Helton should be ion instead of Rolen. His MVP votes- 5,9,19,7,16 and 13. Had a .316 BA, over 2500 hits and over 350 homers. also in 17 seasons. almost won ROY and a pretty solid 1B.
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    10/31/09- Philly
    5/21/10- NYC
    9/2/12- Philly, PA
    7/19/13- Wrigley
    10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
    10/21/13- Philly, PA
    10/22/13- Philly, PA
    10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
    Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly
    Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 27,875
    they’re the same player….very good, but not HOF quality. hell, even jeff kent actually won an MVP.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
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