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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,198
    MayDay10 said:
    I saw this asked on line.

    Best SS? 

    I say Arod.  Just pretend he didn't take the PED's if you can.

    Who's better?  You can't say Ripken because he doesn't have the numbers.  Ozzie Smith either.

    Honus Wagner?

    Arod besides Bonds and Pujols' 11 year run was the best all around player I have seen w my own two eyes.
    It is a tough question.  You have era-adjusted, Honus Wagner was great, but if you transplanted him to the year 2005, with those slabs of leather they called gloves back then (sharing with the other SS)...  I dunno... also, the position changed.  Prior to 1990, with few exceptions (Ripken), it was a purely defensive position, and any offense was just a bonus.  

    The best defensive shortstop I ever saw was probably a tie between Ozzie and Vizquel

    If you are skewing more toward offensive (and power) numbers, you go more toward the A-Rod and Jeter.  Id definitely give A-Rod, vintage Seattle and Texas a nod over Jeter overall.

    Lindor and Correa are pretty great.

    You also might consider Ernie Banks and Robin Yount
    A-rod had better range than all of the players you mentioned but Smith and Vizquel.  Those are the best defensive players I've ever seen.  Arod was no slouch either. Dude could play the position.  Then he played 3rd at an elite level.

    For hitting Arod is second to only Honus but like you said, he did it in a different era.

    I enjoy talking about these things.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 32,034
    Derek Jeter is the best and most handsome baseball player in the history of planet earth.

    Objectively, Arod 
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 27,007
    Nomar was a juicer, too.

    can I get some love for rich aurilia? :lol:
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,198
    Derek Jeter is the best and most handsome baseball player in the history of planet earth.

    Objectively, Arod 
    lol.  You must have gotten a basket from him.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 32,034
    Derek Jeter is the best and most handsome baseball player in the history of planet earth.

    Objectively, Arod 
    lol.  You must have gotten a basket from him.
    Don't swing that way, but I'd be tempted!
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,198
    Derek Jeter is the best and most handsome baseball player in the history of planet earth.

    Objectively, Arod 
    lol.  You must have gotten a basket from him.
    Don't swing that way, but I'd be tempted!
    lol
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 26,044
    Wobbie said:
    Nomar was a juicer, too.

    can I get some love for rich aurilia? :lol:
    My favorite, Barry Larkin, was way better than Richie boy but also not on the category of best ever.
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  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PAPosts: 35,912
    RIP Doug Jones
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 27,007
    Rollins and Tex would get my HOF votes…..with Bonds, of course.

    Is Buster the only guy to win CBPOY TWICE?
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 21,658
    Wobbie said:
    Rollins and Tex would get my HOF votes…..with Bonds, of course.

    Is Buster the only guy to win CBPOY TWICE?
    I don't think Rollins will get enough votes to be eligible next year. Teixeira has good numbers but will probably not get the 15%? to stay on. He's borderline though. Maybe he'll get the votes that would have gone to A-Rod
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,198
    Wander will be on a team of mediocrity for years…. Or they trade him to a contender for a bunch of prospects.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,198
    For my votes for BBHOF

    Bonds
    Clemens
    Sosa
    Vizquel.  He should be in for his defense alone since they let Smith in.
    Arod
    Ramirez

    Manny, Vizquel and Sosa get shit on.  Sosa was a 30/30 guy before he was a HR hitter.  Vizquel I mentioned already.  Manny was a beast and he doesn’t even get a mention anymore.

    It used to be if you hit certain numbers you got in.  There were a lot of writers that didn’t mind the long balls in 1996-2008…
  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,067
    Vizquel has no chance due to the recent allegations
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 27,007
    Sosa? no.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,198
    MayDay10 said:
    Vizquel has no chance due to the recent allegations
    I didn't even know about that.

    If you can have murderers and wife beaters in the HOF then some very poor choice in hazing should be allowed too.

    He should have been in before that incident anyways...
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,198
    Scherzer to the mets?  3 year deal?

    Early contender favorite now.
  • cutzcutz Posts: 10,330
    Robbie Ray to the Mariners: 5/$115
  • mfc2006mfc2006 PDX--->KCPosts: 34,740
    Seager to the Rangers....
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  • cutzcutz Posts: 10,330
    mfc2006 said:
    Seager to the Rangers....
    Think I saw 10/$325
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 27,007
    tough day for the d*dgers. love it!
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 26,044
    Mets will still Mets.
    I like Canha and love Max - dude is first ballot hof.  Crazy money to pay, though.

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  • mfc2006mfc2006 PDX--->KCPosts: 34,740
    Baez to the Tigers 6 years/$140 million
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,198
    mfc2006 said:
    Seager to the Rangers....
    Why would you do that to yourself Mr Seager?  Why?

    Basement friggin team.  I don't get it.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,198
    Mets will still Mets.
    I like Canha and love Max - dude is first ballot hof.  Crazy money to pay, though.

    43mil for a 36 yo?  Cmon, what can go wrong?

    He is one I can see pitching effectively until he's 45 though.  He is built like that.
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 27,007
    mfc2006 said:
    Seager to the Rangers....
    Why would you do that to yourself Mr Seager?  Why?

    Basement friggin team.  I don't get it.
    I could give you 325 million reasons.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South PhillyPosts: 14,196
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 26,044
    Paywalled.  When was each ball used and what was the difference between them?

    MLB are a bunch of fuckers.  I'm sure Jeff Passan will put out a story countering this claiming the innocence of the league and owners, since he is their bitch boy/lap dog.
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  • cutzcutz Posts: 10,330
    Don't you think the pitchers could tell there were using 2 different balls?(I don't recall any word about this during the season)
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,198
    cutz said:
    Don't you think the pitchers could tell there were using 2 different balls?(I don't recall any word about this during the season)
    I could have sworn the pitchers mentioned this.  The ball felt different hence the ban on the sticky stuff to see what the ball actually did.

    That is where I thought the change came from.
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