Billy Corgan Explains Why He's Giving Away New LP For Free

Brisk.

I just found this randomly.. dont think it was posted.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/162776 ... illy.jhtml

Drum Machine89

Brisk. wrote:

I just found this randomly.. dont think it was posted.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/162776 ... illy.jhtml

:? hmm free he says and it wll take 3 years to release all? :shock:

Brisk.

Drum Machine89 wrote:

Brisk. wrote:

I just found this randomly.. dont think it was posted.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/162776 ... illy.jhtml

:? hmm free he says and it wll take 3 years to release all? :shock:

44 songs... we waited 3 years for backspacer which was 11 track and 36 mins. Will take more time as he like he says he may go on tour and release stuff phsically.

facepollution

At least Backspacer was good though, I would take 35 minutes of quality music over a load of bloated bollocks.

LukinFan

facepollution wrote:

At least Backspacer was good though, I would take 35 minutes of quality music over a load of bloated bollocks.

Brisk.

facepollution wrote:

At least Backspacer was good though, I would take 35 minutes of quality music over a load of bloated bollocks.

how can you say that? 2 songs have only been released.. song for a son is good, the widow one is bit crappy.

LukinFan

Brisk. wrote:

facepollution wrote:

At least Backspacer was good though, I would take 35 minutes of quality music over a load of bloated bollocks.

how can you say that? 2 songs have only been released.. song for a son is good, the widow one is bit crappy.

so he's 1/2? (50%)

Brisk.

LukinFan wrote:

Brisk. wrote:

facepollution wrote:

At least Backspacer was good though, I would take 35 minutes of quality music over a load of bloated bollocks.

how can you say that? 2 songs have only been released.. song for a son is good, the widow one is bit crappy.

so he's 1/2? (50%)

well i first heard Got Some off that american tv show and then heard the Fixer and thought what a load of bollox.. turns out backspacer only has 1 weak song.

facepollution

Brisk. wrote:

facepollution wrote:

At least Backspacer was good though, I would take 35 minutes of quality music over a load of bloated bollocks.

how can you say that? 2 songs have only been released.. song for a son is good, the widow one is bit crappy.

Billy Corgan is an ego maniac who desperately needs a band of peers to help guide him, put him on his own and he can't help but come up with self-indulgent crap. I'm not saying it will all be bad, the first song was fairly good, but the second one is rubbish. What's wrong with just writing a really solid 12 song album?

Brisk.

facepollution wrote:

Brisk. wrote:

facepollution wrote:

At least Backspacer was good though, I would take 35 minutes of quality music over a load of bloated bollocks.

how can you say that? 2 songs have only been released.. song for a son is good, the widow one is bit crappy.

Billy Corgan is an ego maniac who desperately needs a band of peers to help guide him, put him on his own and he can't help but come up with self-indulgent crap. I'm not saying it will all be bad, the first song was fairly good, but the second one is rubbish. What's wrong with just writing a really solid 12 song album?

dont know :P good question, maybe he just has loads of stuff he wants to release.

Back_Pedal

facepollution wrote:

At least Backspacer was good though, I would take 35 minutes of quality music over a load of bloated bollocks.

Sorry, but Backspacer was pretty terrible. If I wanted to hear generic pop, I'd listen to it. And you had to pay for Backspacer, Corgan is giving the music away free, so even if you don't like it, you have no right to complain.

facepollution

Back_Pedal wrote:

facepollution wrote:

At least Backspacer was good though, I would take 35 minutes of quality music over a load of bloated bollocks.

Sorry, but Backspacer was pretty terrible. If I wanted to hear generic pop, I'd listen to it. And you had to pay for Backspacer, Corgan is giving the music away free, so even if you don't like it, you have no right to complain.

Well we'll have to agree to disagree over Backspacer. The only thing close to generic pop on it is The Fixer, the rest is all good to me - a lot of fans and critics agreed too.

I don't have the right to complain if it's free? Ok, firstly I'm not complaining, I'm just giving my opinion on the music. And secondly, I didn't have to pay for Backspacer at all, I could have downloaded it for free, I chose to buy it because I liked it and wanted to support the band. The true value of music has nothing to do with money to me. Music is free whether the music industry wants to admit it or not. I applaud Billy for moving with the times and embracing the digital age, but I still think he's disappeared up his own arse, creatively speaking.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

facepollution wrote:

Billy Corgan is an ego maniac who desperately needs a band of peers to help guide him, put him on his own and he can't help but come up with self-indulgent crap. I'm not saying it will all be bad, the first song was fairly good, but the second one is rubbish. What's wrong with just writing a really solid 12 song album?

he's been the chief songwriter in every group he's been in. How can you claim that he needs a band of peers to help guide him? most of the time he even played his peers' instruments.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Drum Machine89 wrote:

Brisk. wrote:

I just found this randomly.. dont think it was posted.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/162776 ... illy.jhtml

:? hmm free he says and it wll take 3 years to release all? :shock:

it's 44 songs, and he's releasing them one a month or so. at the end, he will also be releasing limited quantities of physical EP's. 11 of them with 4 songs each.

I think it's pretty frickin' bold of him to give all that music away for free, kind of throwing it back in the faces of all those morons that kept calling him a greedy so-and-so over the years.

And think of it this way, this is actually a really creative way of releasing your product. People get the full album all at once, and the excitement dies down over said product over time. This way, you are stoked on a constant basis (if you are a fan), anxious to get the next new tune. He has in past expressed his distaste for the "single nation", people who only listen to one song on the album and skip the rest. This way, he's basically forcing everyone to listen to everything, and judge each song on its own merit, as opposed to "well, this one doesn't sound exactly like Zero, so I don't like it".

I personally think it's brilliant, marketing wise. It will get people to the shows, and it will start a frenzy for the physical product when in fact those come out. And even if the EP's won't be his bread and butter, it will also get people re-interested in his back catalogue.

facepollution

Johnny Sitar wrote:

he's been the chief songwriter in every group he's been in. How can you claim that he needs a band of peers to help guide him? most of the time he even played his peers' instruments.

People to bounce ideas off, tell him what works and what doesn't. Billy Corgan wasn't blessed with a good singing voice, but he was blessed with an amazing sense of melody, and he's brilliant guitarist, he should realise what he's good at and run with it.

facepollution

Johnny Sitar wrote:

I personally think it's brilliant, marketing wise. It will get people to the shows, and it will start a frenzy for the physical product when in fact those come out. And even if the EP's won't be his bread and butter, it will also get people re-interested in his back catalogue.

It will only get people to the shows if it's good music. Last time I saw the Pumpkins live back in 2007 at a festival, they were largely shit. Way too many jams on boring ten minute songs like Heavy Metal Machine - people were walking off in their droves.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

facepollution wrote:

Johnny Sitar wrote:

I personally think it's brilliant, marketing wise. It will get people to the shows, and it will start a frenzy for the physical product when in fact those come out. And even if the EP's won't be his bread and butter, it will also get people re-interested in his back catalogue.

It will only get people to the shows if it's good music. Last time I saw the Pumpkins live back in 2007 at a festival, they were largely shit. Way too many jams on boring ten minute songs like Heavy Metal Machine - people were walking off in their droves.

I've seen them twice:

-festival-shit
-arena show-awesome. Not sure if that's a running theme or not.

facepollution

Yeah I saw them a few months before the festival show at a small club show, and for the most part they were really good. When I saw them at Reading (festival) they had the unenviable task of playing after NIN, and NIN had put on an incredible show. Where they could have played to their strengths and played stuff from their more popular albums, they chose to play a load of lesser known stuff, and that just doesn't work at a festival.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

facepollution wrote:

Yeah I saw them a few months before the festival show at a small club show, and for the most part they were really good. When I saw them at Reading (festival) they had the unenviable task of playing after NIN, and NIN had put on an incredible show. Where they could have played to their strengths and played stuff from their more popular albums, they chose to play a load of lesser known stuff, and that just doesn't work at a festival.

I read on the last tour he largely played b-sides and very few singles, and people were leaving in droves. that would have been awesome for me, but not your average fan. Can you imagine if PJ played Lost Dogs all in one show?? That would be killer! But all the Ten-ers would probably be like "WTF is this?".

pjfan021

the guy is good at creating music...when he's not being an egomaniac. when jimmy left the band it was my final straw. jimmy stuck with him through everything and i just think billy has gotten to the point of thinking he's picasso amongst a bunch of macaroni art projects. he's too big an ass for me to give him yet another shot.

facepollution

Johnny Sitar wrote:

I read on the last tour he largely played b-sides and very few singles, and people were leaving in droves. that would have been awesome for me, but not your average fan. Can you imagine if PJ played Lost Dogs all in one show?? That would be killer! But all the Ten-ers would probably be like "WTF is this?".

I wouldn't consider myself a 'Ten-er', but I wouldn't be happy with a really obscure PJ set that omitted all their more popular stuff. It's not that I don't like a lot of their b-sides, but for the most part those weren't the songs that got me into them.

In terms of the Pumpkins, I would have gladly taken some of the deeper album cuts from the first few records, but Billy seems to be under the impression that Machina was the pinnacle of his career, I respectfully disagree. He had a really shitty attitude on stage too. He got really stroppy when he asked if people had bought the new album and didn't get much of a response.

facepollution

pjfan021 wrote:

the guy is good at creating music...when he's not being an egomaniac. when jimmy left the band it was my final straw. jimmy stuck with him through everything and i just think billy has gotten to the point of thinking he's picasso amongst a bunch of macaroni art projects. he's too big an ass for me to give him yet another shot.

Yeah that's about where I'm at. I almost find it hard to believe that this is the same guy who came up with Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie. Given that he hasn't really come up with anything quite to that high standard since, I can only presume that one way or another the other band members did play an important role. I'll always check out any new stuff though, but it would take a full reunion for me to bother going to see them live again.

Kilgore_Trout

id rather him explain why things didnt work out with jessica simpson

DewieCox

facepollution wrote:

Brisk. wrote:

facepollution wrote:

At least Backspacer was good though, I would take 35 minutes of quality music over a load of bloated bollocks.

how can you say that? 2 songs have only been released.. song for a son is good, the widow one is bit crappy.

Billy Corgan is an ego maniac who desperately needs a band of peers to help guide him

Like on Siamese Dream where he snuck in and fixed everything to his liking?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

facepollution wrote:

Johnny Sitar wrote:

I read on the last tour he largely played b-sides and very few singles, and people were leaving in droves. that would have been awesome for me, but not your average fan. Can you imagine if PJ played Lost Dogs all in one show?? That would be killer! But all the Ten-ers would probably be like "WTF is this?".

I wouldn't consider myself a 'Ten-er', but I wouldn't be happy with a really obscure PJ set that omitted all their more popular stuff. It's not that I don't like a lot of their b-sides, but for the most part those weren't the songs that got me into them.

In terms of the Pumpkins, I would have gladly taken some of the deeper album cuts from the first few records, but Billy seems to be under the impression that Machina was the pinnacle of his career, I respectfully disagree. He had a really shitty attitude on stage too. He got really stroppy when he asked if people had bought the new album and didn't get much of a response.

well, I wasn't talking about Evil Little Goat, here!

Yeah, Billy comes off as a real dick in public. He once thanked Our Lady Peace (a very popular Canadian band) in an interview with MuchMusic (Canada's MTV) "for keeping The Smashing Pumpkins sound alive". He received a chorus of boos amongst the live studio audience.

facepollution

DewieCox wrote:

Like on Siamese Dream where he snuck in and fixed everything to his liking?

Well they clearly had some influence even if they just bounced ideas off each other.

facepollution

Johnny Sitar wrote:

Yeah, Billy comes off as a real dick in public. He once thanked Our Lady Peace (a very popular Canadian band) in an interview with MuchMusic (Canada's MTV) "for keeping The Smashing Pumpkins sound alive". He received a chorus of boos amongst the live studio audience.

That's pretty fucking rude, yeah Raine sounds like (a better version of) Billy, but musically speaking they aren't really that similar at all.

Brisk.

Was hilarious when he ripped into Linkin Park in the Glasgow 08 show.

veddertown

I wish Billy all the luck in the world but in all honesty I gave up in 2000 after the farewell tour and don't think you could make a good album out of all the solo, Zwan, Zeitgeist or any other songs he has made since. Big talent in his day and I'm as much a fan of Adore, Machina 1 and 2 as I am of the early material but he has written too many songs over the years blind to the fact the majority of them at least during the last 10 years have been completely shite! He still believes and I take my hat off to him for his persistence and his generosity but a full reunion and greatest hits tour is the only thing that could interest the majority of his fans but he will always believe his current work is something better than it is. Still one of the best musician/songwriters I've seen and heard.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

veddertown wrote:

I wish Billy all the luck in the world but in all honesty I gave up in 2000 after the farewell tour and don't think you could make a good album out of all the solo, Zwan, Zeitgeist or any other songs he has made since. Big talent in his day and I'm as much a fan of Adore, Machina 1 and 2 as I am of the early material but he has written too many songs over the years blind to the fact the majority of them at least during the last 10 years have been completely shite! He still believes and I take my hat off to him for his persistence and his generosity but a full reunion and greatest hits tour is the only thing that could interest the majority of his fans but he will always believe his current work is something better than it is. Still one of the best musician/songwriters I've seen and heard.

his solo album sucked IMO. Zeitgeist? I LOVE IT. Zwan? pretty good. I love American Gothic. the two new songs I've heard? Song For A Son is good, but the newest one will take time to grow on me, if it does at all. It's got some poppy feel that I'm not all that interested in. But there's 42 more to go that I'm stoked about!

Hugh Freaking Dillon

there's also a single he released when Jimmy was still with him. G.L.O.W. single, with SuperChrist is the second song. If you are a JC fan, SuperChrist supremely showcases his drumming ability. The first two minutes are just chunky guitar and Jimmy. It's awesome.

Yes, there is no denying Jimmy's influence on the band's music. It's too bad he left.