John Mayer on Pearl Jam's fame

theboxerorthebag

MisterEtake2 wrote:

theboxerorthebag wrote:

Holy crap. The guy can't speak his mind in an interview? Really? He loves Pearl Jam. That is why he referenced them..

Get some fresh air people.


thanks but I don't need fresh air. He talks way to much about everything. I isn't just his PJ comment, but he has to talk and talk about everything.

The interview would be pretty dull if he didn't respond to the questions.

It is not just interviews, the guy NEVER shuts up.

decides2dream

CJMST3K wrote:

seems strange. he's brought up PJ's music as being great a few times.

not really.
i think one can be a a huge fan of the music, but still question the comments of band members. he's saying he doesn't understand the mentality of it, also seems like he just doesn't *get* it. i guess there are many people out there who would not get it. seems he handles his career and his private life in a VERY different way than pearl jam (vast understatement ) so really, it's unsurprising he doesn't get it. he is an extremely talented musician tho, no doubt....all the rest, well honestly...just don't give a shit. however, i do see what he's saying. i don't agree with it, but i understand his pov. many, many musicians can only wish for the kind of huge success pearl jam had/has...right outta the gate.

rival.

theboxerorthebag wrote:

I isn't just his PJ comment, but he has to talk and talk about everything.

kind of like our favorite front man? it's ok for eddie to ramble about everything because you like him?

john mayer owns people on guitar. that's a fact. look it up.

FenwayFaithful

F John Mayer

G Force

Yep. I'm ok with John Mayer too. I don't bump his records but I did see him live when I worked for Sony and he killed. Everytime I see him speak he's got witty funny stuff to say and he bags some pretty sweet chicks so I give him cred for that. The fact that he likes PJ also speaks to his character.

Jokertt14

Dave Matthew Band .. knock off .. die John Mayer !!

CJMST3K

decides2dream wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

seems strange. he's brought up PJ's music as being great a few times.

not really.
i think one can be a a huge fan of the music, but still question the comments of band members. he's saying he doesn't understand the mentality of it, also seems like he just doesn't *get* it. i guess there are many people out there who would not get it. seems he handles his career and his private life in a VERY different way than pearl jam (vast understatement ) so really, it's unsurprising he doesn't get it. he is an extremely talented musician tho, no doubt....all the rest, well honestly...just don't give a shit. however, i do see what he's saying. i don't agree with it, but i understand his pov. many, many musicians can only wish for the kind of huge success pearl jam had/has...right outta the gate.

Fair enough.

Of course, he's coming from a place where he was writing more-or-less pop music which was a gradual incline to his success. PJ was writing more troubling music, and suddenly, boom - they are the biggest band on the planet... plus the differing personalities. So, I suppose I see how he is looking at it from a different angle.

trotti2

He's not in a band. Its not easy lasting 20 years and that i can appreciate. How many bands are left from the early 90's not many. Sure I would like Pearl Jam to be more popular so that more people can see how great they are but what if thats a reason many bands dont last. Keep it simple keep it about music and go from there. Any true fan of music is a friend of mine and a passionate PJ fan well I'll buy the first round.

theboxerorthebag

singularity wrote:

theboxerorthebag wrote:

I isn't just his PJ comment, but he has to talk and talk about everything.

kind of like our favorite front man? it's ok for eddie to ramble about everything because you like him?

john mayer owns people on guitar. that's a fact. look it up.

Again, I am not knocking his guitar skills. And I don't seem to remember Ed talking about his personal life ad nauseum.

IwasBit10

The guy's obssessed with his own fame, so these comments aren't surprising. In fact, in this day-and-age, I bet most clowns in the music industry are dumbfounded as to why PJ did what they did. These same clowns won't be relevant, or maybe not even creating, 15-20 years from now, unlike PJ is today. It's all about the instant fame these days..

decides2dream

TipJammer wrote:

Yep. I'm ok with John Mayer too. I don't bump his records but I did see him live when I worked for Sony and he killed. Everytime I see him speak he's got witty funny stuff to say and he bags some pretty sweet chicks so I give him cred for that. The fact that he likes PJ also speaks to his character.

yea i just don't get the hatin' on him. honestly, i don't really get it for anyone. no one gets big without being popular. now, one can argue talents, sure.....but even then, if people like it and support such artists, well who am i to say they don't deserve it? it's the same in any field really. beyond that, mayer is an excellent musician. and i hate when people say he copies others, or does nothing original, etc. so fucking what? (not that i even agree that's true) a great musician is just that, a musician. someone who can play the shit out of the instrument of their choice. the band steely dan employed studio musicians for most of their albums, even pearl jam uses studio musicians for instrumentation on some of their music....they ARE talented musicians! i think too many confuse artist with simply musician. as artist creates.....a musician just has to play. one can be both, but it's not necessary. personally, i put mayer in the artist and musician category b/c the boy does create. you may not like what he creates, but that does not take away from him being an artist...and it sure as shit doesn't take away his amazing technical abilities as a musician. people are harsh.

decides2dream

CJMST3K wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

seems strange. he's brought up PJ's music as being great a few times.

not really.
i think one can be a a huge fan of the music, but still question the comments of band members. he's saying he doesn't understand the mentality of it, also seems like he just doesn't *get* it. i guess there are many people out there who would not get it. seems he handles his career and his private life in a VERY different way than pearl jam (vast understatement ) so really, it's unsurprising he doesn't get it. he is an extremely talented musician tho, no doubt....all the rest, well honestly...just don't give a shit. however, i do see what he's saying. i don't agree with it, but i understand his pov. many, many musicians can only wish for the kind of huge success pearl jam had/has...right outta the gate.

Fair enough.

Of course, he's coming from a place where he was writing more-or-less pop music which was a gradual incline to his success. PJ was writing more troubling music, and suddenly, boom - they are the biggest band on the planet... plus the differing personalities. So, I suppose I see how he is looking at it from a different angle.

absolutely.
jut yet another reason why he doesn't get it. i think his pov is just soooo vastly different from pj, he just. can't. see. it. nothing wrong with that. and shit folks, he's being interviewed, so yea...he can say what he wants. and he talks too much? i have no idea. i don't do FB, twitter, read much tabloid BS, so yea....no idea. but he wouldn't be talkin' if people weren't listenin'...

pjhawks

the problem with John Mayer's comments is he doesn't get it. It's wasn't selling a lot of records that PJ was trying to stop it was the BS that comes with it: overhype, crazy stalkers, people expecting you to be things you arent. i mean at the time PJ and Nirvana were on a different level where everything was being co-opted down to their looks and what they wore - that is wholly different than just selling a lot of records.

MisterEtake2

decides2dream wrote:

TipJammer wrote:

Yep. I'm ok with John Mayer too. I don't bump his records but I did see him live when I worked for Sony and he killed. Everytime I see him speak he's got witty funny stuff to say and he bags some pretty sweet chicks so I give him cred for that. The fact that he likes PJ also speaks to his character.

yea i just don't get the hatin' on him. honestly, i don't really get it for anyone. no one gets big without being popular. now, one can argue talents, sure.....but even then, if people like it and support such artists, well who am i to say they don't deserve it? it's the same in any field really. beyond that, mayer is an excellent musician. and i hate when people say he copies others, or does nothing original, etc. so fucking what? (not that i even agree that's true) a great musician is just that, a musician. someone who can play the shit out of the instrument of their choice. the band steely dan employed studio musicians for most of their albums, even pearl jam uses studio musicians for instrumentation on some of their music....they ARE talented musicians! i think too many confuse artist with simply musician. as artist creates.....a musician just has to play. one can be both, but it's not necessary. personally, i put mayer in the artist and musician category b/c the boy does create. you may not like what he creates, but that does not take away from him being an artist...and it sure as shit doesn't take away his amazing technical abilities as a musician. people are harsh.

What's not to get? The guy is rich. He's talented. He pretty much gets any woman he wants. He dares to say something with the slightest hint of negativity about Pearl Jam. Might as well put a bullseye on him.

mysticweed

Rolling Stone rarely "gets" PJ. I mean, really, "The Reluctant Warrior" "Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam return from exile"????? WTF??????
And, remember, "Inventing Eddie Vedder, Pearl Jam's Mystery Man". Once more - WTF?

supergrass

pjhawks wrote:

the problem with John Mayer's comments is he doesn't get it. It's wasn't selling a lot of records that PJ was trying to stop it was the BS that comes with it: overhype, crazy stalkers, people expecting you to be things you arent. i mean at the time PJ and Nirvana were on a different level where everything was being co-opted down to their looks and what they wore - that is wholly different than just selling a lot of records.

I think you're right on there and think the context of what was said by any member of Pearl Jam, particularly Ed, isn't reflected in John Mayer's comment. He didn't live in their shoes and he doesn't know what problems were caused by the fame (see Lukin). And not everybody in the band expressed the same feelings about the fame.

Also, his comments reflect someone who is more interested in being famous than being respected. Comments have been made about his musical talent mostly because most people haven't heard him play (he's talented, but I'm not a fan of his music). The members of Pearl Jam seem far more interested in the music than the fame. John Mayer seems far more interested in the fame than the music.

decides2dream

pjhawks wrote:

the problem with John Mayer's comments is he doesn't get it. It's wasn't selling a lot of records that PJ was trying to stop it was the BS that comes with it: overhype, crazy stalkers, people expecting you to be things you arent. i mean at the time PJ and Nirvana were on a different level where everything was being co-opted down to their looks and what they wore - that is wholly different than just selling a lot of records.

um, yea....that's what a few of us were saying. it's not a problem he doesn't get it, he just don't get it. it IS ok ya know....;) thing is tho, perhaps he's saying...one should expect that? fame tends to make that happen, and it's been happening for famous people a long time. perhaps his point was, you've got to take the good with the bad, and if you can't accept that, well maybe, avoid it....by not writing superhits. obviously, pj probably didn't know they were writing superhits, or just how bad the fame thing could be, etc. understandable. but mayer's thoughts aren't so crazy either. said it earlier, many a musician would kill to have what pj had/has....so it's all relative. seriously, it was not a 'bad' thing for him to say; it's simply his take on the situation.

MisterEtake2 wrote:

He dares to say something with the slightest hint of negativity about Pearl Jam. Might as well put a bullseye on him.

yea, you're right. i should know better.

hopethatuchoke

Hahaha. You people are so ridiculous. Does John Mayer suck as a pop musician? Hell yes. Does he suck because he disagrees with a stance Pearl Jam took 19 years ago? Nope. That doesn't make him a douchebag...especially when the band has clearly tried to get some of that fame back with the last two albums. Alot of people called out NIrvana and Pearl Jam for appearing to hate being famous.

And for the record, I think his pop music is absolutely garbage. He is a hell of a guitar player though. I think he tours as a trio where they play actual respectable guitar music. I don't think Clapton will invite just anybody up to jam with him but they have played together.

t0mMye

Good on guitar...has diarrhea of the mouth frequently.

Gern Blansten

John Mayer couldn't be more of a douchebag if he tried