Consenting adult sex is criminal now?

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  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    edited December 2012
    It's definitely official misconduct and an abuse of power since the teacher had authority over the kids. She should lose her job and be prevented from teaching or working in an official capacity with kids again. Age 18 is the age of full consent in most states (meaning that by this age people can legally consent to sex with anyone, including people who have authority over them - including a parent :? ), but I agree with Edson in that I don't know if someone can really consent to someone who has authority over you. If these were 18 year olds she had met in any other capacity it would be a different story. Definitely an ethical and moral violation that would result in civil sanctions, but I think they will be hard pressed to get criminal charges to stick.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    So, we're saying some laws are more important than others? Why is it one or the other?

    Anyway, I do agree that jail time seems a bit silly in this case, and as mookie said above - if she gets a decent lawyer, she won't be doing jail time.

    I'm not really saying that- although that's how it read. I'm saying that they are making something out of nothing.
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  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    So, we're saying some laws are more important than others? Why is it one or the other?

    Anyway, I do agree that jail time seems a bit silly in this case, and as mookie said above - if she gets a decent lawyer, she won't be doing jail time.

    I'm not really saying that- although that's how it read. I'm saying that they are making something out of nothing.

    How do you know? I'm not saying you're not right, but without knowing all the facts, I'd tend to err on the side that the law should be used until otherwise indicated. Could one of the 18 year olds be of limited capacity in some way? And, you can't simply ignore the reality of the power she held and the slippery slope of loopholes the legal system would create if one were to ignore certain cases and not others. Do you really want to give defense attorneys more ammunition when what you perceive as a "real" case arises?

    I'll trust they can handle this case and the armed robbery cases they are doing.
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  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    For my people, consenting adult sex has only been legal for about 12 years and the GOP lost their shit.

    However... If having sex with 5 18 year-old men is a crime, I would be on death row.

    If those 5 18 year olds were students in the public school where you taught, it might be.
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  • klusterfuk
    klusterfuk Posts: 1,411
    not gonna touch this one.
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  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    She's already been sentenced. I think she got 7 years. Her teaching certification has been revoked for life.

    This happened in a small town about 10 miles from where I live. The students she had sex with were all over the age of consent and none felt that she should be charged with a crime. However, in Texas the law states that it's illegal for school personnel to have sex with students. Period. They didn't have to be her students or even go to school where she taught. They didn't have to be underage. It's still illegal.

    The whole situation generated plenty of discussion around here about what kind of punishment she should have faced. Some people think she should have gotten the maximum, some think she should have gotten probation. I don't know what would have been appropriate. What she did was unethical and really stupid and she didn't behave very well after being sentenced either--going on a talk show and claiming she was the victim because she didn't know she was being taped.

    I feel sorry for her kids.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    So, we're saying some laws are more important than others? Why is it one or the other?

    Anyway, I do agree that jail time seems a bit silly in this case, and as mookie said above - if she gets a decent lawyer, she won't be doing jail time.

    I'm not really saying that- although that's how it read. I'm saying that they are making something out of nothing.

    How do you know? I'm not saying you're not right, but without knowing all the facts, I'd tend to err on the side that the law should be used until otherwise indicated. Could one of the 18 year olds be of limited capacity in some way? And, you can't simply ignore the reality of the power she held and the slippery slope of loopholes the legal system would create if one were to ignore certain cases and not others. Do you really want to give defense attorneys more ammunition when what you perceive as a "real" case arises?

    I'll trust they can handle this case and the armed robbery cases they are doing.

    Good point regarding the need to deploy the same level of attention towards every case.

    I'm only going on what I have seen on the video clip (as we all are). There's no question she acted poorly and unethical and given such, she can deal with whatever consequence she might face. Do not confuse me with a sympathizer- I'm not.
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  • mysticweed
    mysticweed Posts: 3,710
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    For my people, consenting adult sex has only been legal for about 12 years and the GOP lost their shit.

    However... If having sex with 5 18 year-old men is a crime, I would be on death row.


    :o

    i bet they weren't your students though (students of love maybe)
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  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    How do you know? I'm not saying you're not right, but without knowing all the facts, I'd tend to err on the side that the law should be used until otherwise indicated. Could one of the 18 year olds be of limited capacity in some way? And, you can't simply ignore the reality of the power she held and the slippery slope of loopholes the legal system would create if one were to ignore certain cases and not others. Do you really want to give defense attorneys more ammunition when what you perceive as a "real" case arises?

    I'll trust they can handle this case and the armed robbery cases they are doing.
    There was never any mention during the trial and sentencing that any of the young men were of limited capacity or unable to consent. I believe most if not all of them testified at her trial.

    I'll try to find a story link from the local snooze.

    Edit: My bad, she got 5 years. Here's a description from the end of year wrap-up. Scroll down, it's story #3.

    http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/12/28 ... k=misearch
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  • Pjzepp67
    Pjzepp67 Posts: 445
    Would we be discussing this so lightly if the teacher had been male and the pupils were young girls :shock:
  • adropinthepark
    adropinthepark Posts: 475
    Who Princess wrote:
    She's already been sentenced. I think she got 7 years. Her teaching certification has been revoked for life.

    This happened in a small town about 10 miles from where I live. The students she had sex with were all over the age of consent and none felt that she should be charged with a crime. However, in Texas the law states that it's illegal for school personnel to have sex with students. Period. They didn't have to be her students or even go to school where she taught. They didn't have to be underage. It's still illegal.

    I'm sure this is something that was covered when she took the job. Sucks for her family, but she should have known better.

    The teachers from my school district were smart enough to wait until their Lolitas had graduated high school to have affairs with them. I had always wondered about one of the teachers. He taught 8th & 9th grade and always had pictures of him posing in front of his car with students published in the year book. He later married one of my classmates. :fp:
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    firstly... who told?
    secondly... her morals are zero
    thirdly... it is not illegal to my notion but then again i don't write the laws & if i were a student of age to have consenting adult sex with a female teacher who was of my liking, i was attracted to her & her i. sure i'd be a dumb asshole for not having sexual intercourse with an older lady whom is my teacher. it is of fantacy in nature which gets the motor runnin as it is.

    i would not ever in a billion years go for group sex... no no & zero no.

    this gal here is not to bright, neither are the students & neither is the husband.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    nemphomanic status?
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    http://youtu.be/E6p5RLDCoTQ
    good clip
    LRJ, the guy hosting this clip & the comedian guy are hilarious
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  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    mysticweed wrote:
    :o

    i bet they weren't your students though (students of love maybe)

    True enough. But honestly, making that a crime worth 20 years? Really?

    I've had sex with teachers. Big deal, I wanted it and went for it.

    Now, why do I think that there will NEVER be a law against senators from fucking interns?
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  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

    Good point regarding the need to deploy the same level of attention towards every case.

    I'm only going on what I have seen on the video clip (as we all are). There's no question she acted poorly and unethical and given such, she can deal with whatever consequence she might face. Do not confuse me with a sympathizer- I'm not.

    Gotcha. Doubt she serves much of the 5 years or whatever she got.
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  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    chadwick wrote:
    firstly... who told?
    .

    People! Stop fn taking video! Idiots.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    People! Stop fn taking video! Idiots.
    With you on this in general.

    Oh for the good old days, when you could relive your most depraved (or not) moments in your head and not need to have them digitally preserved.

    "Memories...."

    :P
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Pjzepp67 wrote:
    Would we be discussing this so lightly if the teacher had been male and the pupils were young girls :shock:

    a 27 year old male and a bunch of 18 year old girls. that's nothing in today's society. of course this would still be no big deal.

    as a father of two young girls, I'd personally kill the fucker, but criminal? NO
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  • fear4freedom
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    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    mysticweed wrote:
    :o

    i bet they weren't your students though (students of love maybe)

    True enough. But honestly, making that a crime worth 20 years? Really?

    I've had sex with teachers. Big deal, I wanted it and went for it.

    Now, why do I think that there will NEVER be a law against senators from fucking interns?

    YEA OR MARRIED PRESIDENTS FROM doing INTERNS!!! :lol::lol::lol:
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