Was just wondering why are posters rarely re-printed? I know many, including myself, would love for Ames to reprint Dallas 98. Do you think it's something PJ does not allow?
It's a great question, and I don't have any knowledge of the answer. I would love for Ames Bros to make more of some of their most sought after posters ('96'-'98), label them however they want (AP2 maybe like 2003), and sell for market value or higher. The artists deserve to make the money for their art. Even if only 100-200 of each design, and maybe only 5-10 designs total...it would raise a lot of money for the artists and maybe even part of the proceeds could go to charity.
Brian, with respect: AP2 is a sham. While I think slightly more of AP (yes, the artist deserves to earn a substantial income from his/her work but otherwise let's not kid ourselves - it's all the same run) I believe Ames hit a career low with the AP2 series. At the height of the fire Ames saw an opportunity and while they can't be faulted for the demand introducing the supply did nothing more than dilute the credibility of the run.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
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My guess: They're artists. They like that the number of prints are limited and are so highly sought after. You could say the same thing about...oh...I don't know...limited edition vinyl releases. Anyone ever heard of Bennaroya...?
Just wondering. Do you know what AP is? It's not a sham. It means "Artist Proof." It generally isn't the true run that artists make for prints and it is often not the SAME run. AP is generally a test run for color, registration, print quality and so forth. If you have a true run of prints, some artists don't number and some do, let's say 1/100 . . .
AP2 is something in my 7 year printmaking education I never saw. It's not to say that times haven't changed a bit since I graduated with my degree in printmaking, but if it were to be re-run with changes, it would just revert back to AP.
Printmakers and other artists purposely do limited runs. The screens may still exist, but my thought are that they probably don't.
If you are looking for the Dallas '98 print, hang tight on LD. A friend just scored Seattle '98 and had been many, many years in wait. Patience and the print will appear.
Quite familiar with the AP designation. The PJ AP prints are not "test run" prints, they're prints randomly pulled from the total run. Hence the early days of Ames signing their prints XX/850 for example when 850 was the total run of a random '98 print or when they signed XX/200 when 200 was a total run of a random '96 print.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
Eric, I hear you for sure. I know there were grumblings when the AP2 happened... I guess I just don't have a firm position either way. I fully understand the whole supply and demand theory and artists appreciating how some of their art increases in value. And I'm more than fine with paying market value for a poster...I get it, especially one in high demand or limited supply. I would certainly support an artist if for example Ames bros reprinted Perth 98, or Dallas 98, or something I would like to add to my collection. As a collector, I fully understand and appreciate the search for a print that takes time to find, as well as the fatigue that sets in after 18 months of looking and not finding what you are looking for, so I can see where the OP is coming from. I would not mind the costs that obtaining either from a seller at market value or the artists if reprints occurred. At the same time I completely understand why reprints haven't and probably won't ever happen.
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I would love for Ames Bros to make more of some of their most sought after posters ('96'-'98), label them however they want (AP2 maybe like 2003), and sell for market value or higher. The artists deserve to make the money for their art. Even if only 100-200 of each design, and maybe only 5-10 designs total...it would raise a lot of money for the artists and maybe even part of the proceeds could go to charity.
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
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AP2 is something in my 7 year printmaking education I never saw. It's not to say that times haven't changed a bit since I graduated with my degree in printmaking, but if it were to be re-run with changes, it would just revert back to AP.
Printmakers and other artists purposely do limited runs. The screens may still exist, but my thought are that they probably don't.
If you are looking for the Dallas '98 print, hang tight on LD. A friend just scored Seattle '98 and had been many, many years in wait. Patience and the print will appear.
2016: Lexington and Wrigley 1
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
I would certainly support an artist if for example Ames bros reprinted Perth 98, or Dallas 98, or something I would like to add to my collection. As a collector, I fully understand and appreciate the search for a print that takes time to find, as well as the fatigue that sets in after 18 months of looking and not finding what you are looking for, so I can see where the OP is coming from. I would not mind the costs that obtaining either from a seller at market value or the artists if reprints occurred.
At the same time I completely understand why reprints haven't and probably won't ever happen.