I'd love just once for Nevermind to not be #1. They don't have to put PJ first, just not Nevermind for once. And I agree, just Ten and Vs. And how does Ultramega OK and Louder Than Love make it and not Down on The Upside? Live-Throwing Copper and Bush - 16 Stone should have been on there too. If you count Smashing Pumpkins ans grunge, then they definitely count.
Is the description for VS accurate? Describing the inteded name as "Five Against One, which was both a line from their new song “Animal” and an admission that frontman Eddie Vedder was divided against his four bandmates and their manager Kelly Curtis." I always thought the 5 against 1 was PJ vs the record company.
I'd swap Superunknown & Badmotorfinger. Hole at 4 is a joke. I get Mudhoney's importance, I just don't know how anyone can listen to them. And I agree with mace, just ONCE, Nevermind needs to not be #1. It's not a bad list by any means, though. And Nevermind is still a really fucking good album, I will say that.
Remember when MTV used to do those Top 100 videos of all time countdowns? Jeremy was #1 for two years, then Cobain died and suddenly Teen Spirit took the top spot. Don't get me wrong, both are great videos and you could argue either's case for #1 (at the time). But it was just funny how Teen Spirit wasn't good enough (in MTV's eyes) to be #1 when he was alive, but it was after he died.
My favorite top video list was when they did top 10 live performance. Back when MTV actually stood for Music TeleVision they'd have different top 10 list every Friday for a couple of years, and when it was top 10 live performances it was always PJ and Young doing RITFW. Great video!
The first two albums come "close" but definitely not afterwards. I think "Drown" being included on the Singles soundtrack created a stronger, even if imaginary, connection.
The first two albums come "close" but definitely not afterwards. I think "Drown" being included on the Singles soundtrack created a stronger, even if imaginary, connection.
Do you guys consider "grunge" the music from seattle (from 88-95/6) or is Grunge more the American alternative rock sound from that same period.
I've always considered it the alternative rock sound until about 95-96ish. So Pumpkins were "grunge". Because PJ and Nirvana could be any more worlds apart in sound. So why wouldn't any other band from that era that wasn't from Seattle.
Do you guys consider "grunge" the music from seattle (from 88-95/6) or is Grunge more the American alternative rock sound from that same period.
I've always considered it the alternative rock sound until about 95-96ish. So Pumpkins were "grunge". Because PJ and Nirvana could be any more worlds apart in sound. So why wouldn't any other band from that era that wasn't from Seattle.
I recall Teen Spirit, at least where I was, and on much music, was bigger than Jeremy or anything PJ had done up to that point.
It was indeed (at least in southern Ontario, too). I don't think any "grunge" song by anyone was ever bigger than Teen Spirit, however.
Song, absolutely Teen Spirit was the biggest. Video, on the other hand, MTV gave Jeremy the edge up until Kurt's death. I think Teen Spirit might have even been #3 behind November Rain. I might be wrong on that, but Teen Spirit was definitely bumped up to #1 posthumously.
The first two albums come "close" but definitely not afterwards. I think "Drown" being included on the Singles soundtrack created a stronger, even if imaginary, connection.
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My first reaction was, "What the...???"
And then I noticed it was published on April 1st. OK, haha, funny!
Now, if it hadn't been published on April Fool's Day I would have continued with...
First off- the Stooges- grunge? You gotta be kidding me. Huh?
Black Flag, grunge? OK, come on. Really?
Neil Young and Crazy Horse, gru... I can't even say it. That's just pure sacrilege.
Singles, grunge? I guess Rolling Stone never heard of Paul Westerberg, Led Zeppelin, or Jimi Hendrix. Good God, did all the original R.S. writers die already?
And this: Have any of the bands on this list ever referred to themselves as "grunge". Not that I know of. If they did, they probably sucked at that time anyway, so I guess it doesn't really matter.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Do you guys consider "grunge" the music from seattle (from 88-95/6) or is Grunge more the American alternative rock sound from that same period.
I've always considered it the alternative rock sound until about 95-96ish. So Pumpkins were "grunge". Because PJ and Nirvana could be any more worlds apart in sound. So why wouldn't any other band from that era that wasn't from Seattle.
my view on grunge changed over the years. originally, I lumped anything that was alt-rock-ish into it, like the Pumpkins. I lived in kind of a rock music bubble, though, where the only stuff I had access to was what was on the radio (Winnipeg wasn't exactly a music mecca at that point). The only grunge groups I knew of were the ones that got radio play, or were on the Singles soundtrack.
it only came later that I discovered all of the actual grunge bands, and found out I wasn't really a fan of real grunge at all. I liked more of the "grunge pop" like Nevermind (I hated Incesticide when it first came out, and didn't like some of the harsher songs on Nevermind at the time, which I later came to appreciate).
I don't like Mudhoney much (live opening for PJ I walked away from-it was horrendous). And most of the other true grunge bands I'm not a fan of.
And PJ got lumped in with grunge simply because of geography and fashion. you are absolutely correct that their sound is worlds apart from Nirvana and really any other seattle band.
And then I noticed it was published on April 1st. OK, haha, funny!
Now, if it hadn't been published on April Fool's Day I would have continued with...
First off- the Stooges- grunge? You gotta be kidding me. Huh?
Black Flag, grunge? OK, come on. Really?
Neil Young and Crazy Horse, gru... I can't even say it. That's just pure sacrilege.
Singles, grunge? I guess Rolling Stone never heard of Paul Westerberg, Led Zeppelin, or Jimi Hendrix. Good God, did all the original R.S. writers die already?
And this: Have any of the bands on this list ever referred to themselves as "grunge". Not that I know of. If they did, they probably sucked at that time anyway, so I guess it doesn't really matter.
I had the same thoughts as well, Brian, but I think the writer was going for albums that also had an influence on grunge bands, a hint of what was to come, so to speak.
Darwinspeed, all.
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And then I noticed it was published on April 1st. OK, haha, funny!
Now, if it hadn't been published on April Fool's Day I would have continued with...
First off- the Stooges- grunge? You gotta be kidding me. Huh?
Black Flag, grunge? OK, come on. Really?
Neil Young and Crazy Horse, gru... I can't even say it. That's just pure sacrilege.
Singles, grunge? I guess Rolling Stone never heard of Paul Westerberg, Led Zeppelin, or Jimi Hendrix. Good God, did all the original R.S. writers die already?
And this: Have any of the bands on this list ever referred to themselves as "grunge". Not that I know of. If they did, they probably sucked at that time anyway, so I guess it doesn't really matter.
I had the same thoughts as well, Brian, but I think the writer was going for albums that also had an influence on grunge bands, a hint of what was to come, so to speak.
Good point. I guess I'm being a critic's critic!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
To quote pitcher Roger Clemens, I might be "mis-rembering" but I am sure I read a handful of negative reviews of the album back in 1993. That 4.5-star review from RS certainly isn't the one I was recalling (but thanks for posting it!).
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Puh-lease.
They don't have to put PJ first, just not Nevermind for once.
And I agree, just Ten and Vs. And how does Ultramega OK and Louder Than Love make it and not Down on The Upside?
Live-Throwing Copper and Bush - 16 Stone should have been on there too. If you count Smashing Pumpkins ans grunge, then they definitely count.
Is the description for VS accurate? Describing the inteded name as "Five Against One, which was both a line from their new song “Animal” and an admission that frontman Eddie Vedder was divided against his four bandmates and their manager Kelly Curtis."
I always thought the 5 against 1 was PJ vs the record company.
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I don't think any "grunge" song by anyone was ever bigger than Teen Spirit, however.
I've always considered it the alternative rock sound until about 95-96ish. So Pumpkins were "grunge". Because PJ and Nirvana could be any more worlds apart in sound. So why wouldn't any other band from that era that wasn't from Seattle.
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Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly
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it only came later that I discovered all of the actual grunge bands, and found out I wasn't really a fan of real grunge at all. I liked more of the "grunge pop" like Nevermind (I hated Incesticide when it first came out, and didn't like some of the harsher songs on Nevermind at the time, which I later came to appreciate).
I don't like Mudhoney much (live opening for PJ I walked away from-it was horrendous). And most of the other true grunge bands I'm not a fan of.
And PJ got lumped in with grunge simply because of geography and fashion. you are absolutely correct that their sound is worlds apart from Nirvana and really any other seattle band.
Cheers,
HFD
Cheers,
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