Five Longest gaps between albums: 1t. Pearl Jam (5y 6m) 1t. U2 (same) 3. U2 (4y 3m) 4t. U2 (4y 1m) 4t. Pearl Jam (same)
U2 has 3 gaps equal to or longer than Pearl Jam’s 2nd longest gap. Funny how U2 isn’t a legacy band or calling it quits or at the end of the road or not interested in making music or saying farewell or Bono is off on his own, etc etc.
(And I already know what he responses are gonna be to this. Believe me, I know what all the counterpoints are, and it’s nothing that hasn’t been said 1000 times already. I just thought this was an interesting observation I realized & thought I’d share it.)
My only counterpoint is that U2's last 2 albums were way better than PJ's last 2 albums (and I thought U2's last 2 albums were average at best).
Opinion. I disagree whole-heartedly. Although I do think Songs of Innocence was the best U2 album since Pop, Songs of Experience was indeed average at best. And I still listen to Backspacer and Lightning Bolt way more than either.
I do love that Songs of Innocence royally pissed off a bunch of iPhone users for no apparent reason.
I don't listen to any of these albums at all, haha. The only reason I own BS and LB on vinyl is because it would mess up my PJ vinyl collection completion rate to not have them.
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Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
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96 - Charlotte / Charleston 98 - Atlanta 00 - Charlotte / Greensboro / Atlanta 03 - Raleigh / Charlotte / Mountain View / San Diego / Bristow 04 - Asheville 05 - Philadelphia 06 - Washington, DC / Las Vegas / San Diego 08 - Virginia Beach / Washington DC 09 - Philadelphia (28th) 11 - East Troy (3rd) / East Troy (4th) 13 - Charlottesville / Charlotte 14 - Memphis 16 - Greenville / Hampton / Raleigh / Columbia / Boston (5th) 18 - Boston (2nd) / Boston (4th) 20 - Nashville / Baltimore 22 - Nashville / Baltimore
Not a bad haul for someone that has moved in to a different "industry."
I'm eager for the next NIN show. Haven't seen them since... could it be 2012 maybe.
Saw them at Radio City in the fall, Trent was incredible. He opened with Somewhat Damaged and I was floored.
Very strong representation from The Fragile the show I attended. This tour the sets changed drastically from show to show, PJ style.
Although he has largely moved into a new line of work in music, it's cool he still has time for his NIN persona with many albums and shows in the last five or so years.
Not a bad haul for someone that has moved in to a different "industry."
I'm eager for the next NIN show. Haven't seen them since... could it be 2012 maybe.
Saw them at Radio City in the fall, Trent was incredible. He opened with Somewhat Damaged and I was floored.
Very strong representation from The Fragile the show I attended. This tour the sets changed drastically from show to show, PJ style.
Although he has largely moved into a new line of work in music, it's cool he still has time for his NIN persona with many albums and shows in the last five or so years.
NIN is Trent and then Atticus. Like Neil Young or Bruce, Trent controls everything. He wants to do an album, he does an album. He doesn’t have to get Stone, Matt, Jeff and Mike to come along too.
They’ve said they’ll do it til they can’t any longer in the past. No reason to think the plan is any different. They’ve been in legacy mode for a decade now. Don’t know why everybody’s so shocked. There’s been doom and gloom that they were finished since I started regularing the boards around 2000.
I think people are shocked because they were given a new single from a “forthcoming album” and now find out there is no more new music at the moment and for the foreseeable future. Lightning bolt was 5 years ago. when was the last time Ed put out a solo album even. The well is dry my friend. That’s cause for concern.
Can’t Deny Me was just more writing on the wall imo. Just a lazy song.
I just don’t think the band is completely done or even in that much of a different place than they have been for a decade.
Can’t Deny Me feels like a Nine Inch Nails inspired, Jeff wants to feel the cool power too
They are just waiting for 2020 and the election push / 30th anniversary. Calm.
Lightning Bolt will be seven years old come the 2020 election.
So? I would rather have them not produce a bunch of crappy albums. Metallica put out Death Magnetic in 2008 and it was an 8 year wait for Hardwired to Self Destruct. They struck gold and have had a 3 year world tour and are older than PJ.
Quality > Quantity. 1 great album is better than 3 bad ones.
Has anyone really thought about the fact that Ed might not be in the best place to be creative given the fact that one of his very best friends died not that long ago? You think that maybe Chris Cornell’s death (and more specifically the way that he died) might have something to do with his not being ready (or wanting) to get back to it?
They are just waiting for 2020 and the election push / 30th anniversary. Calm.
Lightning Bolt will be seven years old come the 2020 election.
So? I would rather have them not produce a bunch of crappy albums. Metallica put out Death Magnetic in 2008 and it was an 8 year wait for Hardwired to Self Destruct. They struck gold and have had a 3 year world tour and are older than PJ.
Quality > Quantity. 1 great album is better than 3 bad ones.
It's been six years since they recorded an album together and by all accounts nothing new is in the pipeline. They aren't waiting for an election or an anniversary. They are just not making music together. Quality over quantity has nothing to do with it.
Has anyone really thought about the fact that Ed might not be in the best place to be creative given the fact that one of his very best friends died not that long ago? You think that maybe Chris Cornell’s death (and more specifically the way that he died) might have something to do with his not being ready (or wanting) to get back to it?
This is the most tired talking point on the board.
I still think it's all part of the plan, it would make sense to wait and put out an album and tour next year to coincide with their 30th anniversary... as long and as frustrating as the wait will be, everything just seems to lead to this conclusion... so 2020, 30th anniversary, new album, 30th anniversary tour, not to mention whatever other 30th anniversary exclusives they may have, and then there's all the 30th anniversary merch, it just all makes sense... and maybe they'll use this time to get us those last two holiday singles... in the meantime, side projects and merch is all i see for 2019, and maybe if we're lucky some more ed solo shows in the US, it's better than nothing...
"Anniversary" and "merch" were mentioned 7 times in this post. I'm not picking on the post, I just feel like this is totally where the band is at. It's felt that way for nearly a decade. Yes, we're beating a dead horse... yes, I've posted about the topic before... but I think this is a pretty sad era for Pearl Jam. Totally fees like keeping a name alive just to squeeze out a little more juice ($$$). From a legacy standpoint, would've been much more impressed had they ripped it off like a band-aid shortly after the Lightning Bolt tour. Maybe they could've found a clean way to wrap it up, then had the HOF ceremony (marking 25 years) been their farewell? Anything is better than keeping this on life support... again, from a pure legacy standpoint. In my 25 years of fandom, I would've never thought this band would've kept "PJ" going for fucking anniversaries and merchandise, but alas.
I sure had fun at the 2018 London and Boston concerts and did not feel like the band was not delivering. They are still a great band with or without extensive tours or a new album. Waiting patiently for the next chance to see them live!
I sure had fun at the 2018 London and Boston concerts and did not feel like the band was not delivering. They are still a great band with or without extensive tours or a new album. Waiting patiently for the next chance to see them live!
That's where I'm at. I can live without them ever releasing a new song again. Give me a live show here and there, maybe a vault release from the No Code tour, and I'm good.
Imagine if one of the other "big 4" grunge bands was your all-time favorite band. Nirvana ended in '94. Soundgarden ended in '97 before coming back in 2010. Alice In Chains (with Layne) ended around '98 before coming back with Duvall in '05. We're very fortunate.
I sure had fun at the 2018 London and Boston concerts and did not feel like the band was not delivering. They are still a great band with or without extensive tours or a new album. Waiting patiently for the next chance to see them live!
It's nice to read posts like this amidst all the doom & gloom. Wish there were more of them.
I sure had fun at the 2018 London and Boston concerts and did not feel like the band was not delivering. They are still a great band with or without extensive tours or a new album. Waiting patiently for the next chance to see them live!
That's where I'm at. I can live without them ever releasing a new song again. Give me a live show here and there, maybe a vault release from the No Code tour, and I'm good.
Imagine if one of the other "big 4" grunge bands was your all-time favorite band. Nirvana ended in '94. Soundgarden ended in '97 before coming back in 2010. Alice In Chains (with Layne) ended around '98 before coming back with Duvall in '05. We're very fortunate.
Has anyone really thought about the fact that Ed might not be in the best place to be creative given the fact that one of his very best friends died not that long ago? You think that maybe Chris Cornell’s death (and more specifically the way that he died) might have something to do with his not being ready (or wanting) to get back to it?
Of course it might have affected him that way, but some of the issues being discussed precede that terrible event, so that couldn't be all of it.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I also tend to think it's not Cornell. PJ had struggles during the last album. Recording half of it.. getting writers block or whatever and reconvening a long while after (2 years?) to try and finish it off. I don't think this only came out of the blue recently. It seems to have been a slow work in progress to get to this point.
Has anyone really thought about the fact that Ed might not be in the best place to be creative given the fact that one of his very best friends died not that long ago? You think that maybe Chris Cornell’s death (and more specifically the way that he died) might have something to do with his not being ready (or wanting) to get back to it?
This is the most tired talking point on the board.
Tired talking point? Wow, a lot of you really are a bunch of selfish assholes. No wonder I stopped coming here.
Has anyone really thought about the fact that Ed might not be in the best place to be creative given the fact that one of his very best friends died not that long ago? You think that maybe Chris Cornell’s death (and more specifically the way that he died) might have something to do with his not being ready (or wanting) to get back to it?
This is the most tired talking point on the board.
Tired talking point? Wow, a lot of you really are a bunch of selfish assholes. No wonder I stopped coming here.
I'm not sure how mine is a selfish statement. Feel free to explain
I still think it's all part of the plan, it would make sense to wait and put out an album and tour next year to coincide with their 30th anniversary... as long and as frustrating as the wait will be, everything just seems to lead to this conclusion... so 2020, 30th anniversary, new album, 30th anniversary tour, not to mention whatever other 30th anniversary exclusives they may have, and then there's all the 30th anniversary merch, it just all makes sense... and maybe they'll use this time to get us those last two holiday singles... in the meantime, side projects and merch is all i see for 2019, and maybe if we're lucky some more ed solo shows in the US, it's better than nothing...
"Anniversary" and "merch" were mentioned 7 times in this post. I'm not picking on the post, I just feel like this is totally where the band is at.
#PJ30
st. pete '94
west palm beach '98
tampa '00
tampa '03
tampa '08
brooklyn '13
austin '14
austin '14
tampa '16
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2 albums, 2 EPs, 140 shows in last 5+ years.
Not a bad haul for someone that has moved in to a different "industry."
Between this line and your sig, you are my new best friend. Oh, I just wanted to say good luck. We're all counting on you.
96 - Charlotte / Charleston
98 - Atlanta
00 - Charlotte / Greensboro / Atlanta
03 - Raleigh / Charlotte / Mountain View / San Diego / Bristow
04 - Asheville
05 - Philadelphia
06 - Washington, DC / Las Vegas / San Diego
08 - Virginia Beach / Washington DC
09 - Philadelphia (28th)
11 - East Troy (3rd) / East Troy (4th)
13 - Charlottesville / Charlotte
14 - Memphis
16 - Greenville / Hampton / Raleigh / Columbia / Boston (5th)
18 - Boston (2nd) / Boston (4th)
20 - Nashville / Baltimore
22 - Nashville / Baltimore
Saw them at Radio City in the fall, Trent was incredible. He opened with Somewhat Damaged and I was floored.
Very strong representation from The Fragile the show I attended. This tour the sets changed drastically from show to show, PJ style.
Although he has largely moved into a new line of work in music, it's cool he still has time for his NIN persona with many albums and shows in the last five or so years.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Quality > Quantity. 1 great album is better than 3 bad ones.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006:5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
Imagine if one of the other "big 4" grunge bands was your all-time favorite band. Nirvana ended in '94. Soundgarden ended in '97 before coming back in 2010. Alice In Chains (with Layne) ended around '98 before coming back with Duvall in '05. We're very fortunate.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
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west palm beach '98
tampa '00
tampa '03
tampa '08
brooklyn '13
austin '14
austin '14
tampa '16
ed - clearwater '12
ed - clearwater '12