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  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,295
    PB11041 said:
    PB11041 said:
    RS151862 said:
    RS151862 said:
    I worry that they’ll just go for another easy release and do Berlin 96. 
    Which releases have been "easy releases" ?
    Vegas, bellingham, soldier field and Missoula all had been previously mixed and released in some form. To me the idea of the vault is to release an rare gem that wasn’t widely available. 
    Bellingham?  It had two tracks released across the Light Years singles variations.  That was a good release.  While there has always been a very nice audience recording available for that show, that is a very good Vault release.

    Soldier Field was nice because it was upgrade off the tinny and shallow MONO-FM releases.  It was a huge bummer that it was incomplete.  
    I have a hard time with incomplete shows. They should pick something else to release if a show has to be incomplete IMO.
    if they went this route you are not getting anything prior to 2000 most likely then.  Even 9.19.98 is technically incomplete.  
    93 vault is complete 
    6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/16
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,739
    how is the constitution hall show technically incomplete?  is la complete?
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  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,883
    mcgruff10 said:
    how is the constitution hall show technically incomplete?  is la complete?
    CH is missing ledbetter, and I think one more song was only partially recorded.  Not sure about LA.
    There has been a couple interviews where they said that while they recorded all the earlier shows, most of them are incomplete.
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  • rummyrummy British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,345
    I'd be cool with a "Live in Two Legs" type release for the '96 tour if having complete shows is an issue.
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,632
    rummy said:
    I'd be cool with a "Live in Two Legs" type release for the '96 tour if having complete shows is an issue.
    Oh man. Absolutely
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,739
    rummy said:
    I'd be cool with a "Live in Two Legs" type release for the '96 tour if having complete shows is an issue.
    That is one amazing idea.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,632
    mcgruff10 said:
    how is the constitution hall show technically incomplete?  is la complete?
    CH is missing ledbetter, and I think one more song was only partially recorded.  Not sure about LA.
    There has been a couple interviews where they said that while they recorded all the earlier shows, most of them are incomplete.
    DC had a personal moment before Ledbetter but they also claim that the tape stopped.  Still a great Vault
  • PB11041PB11041 Earth Posts: 2,759
    RS151862 said:
    PB11041 said:
    RS151862 said:
    RS151862 said:
    I worry that they’ll just go for another easy release and do Berlin 96. 
    Which releases have been "easy releases" ?
    Vegas, bellingham, soldier field and Missoula all had been previously mixed and released in some form. To me the idea of the vault is to release an rare gem that wasn’t widely available. 
    Bellingham?  It had two tracks released across the Light Years singles variations.  That was a good release.  While there has always been a very nice audience recording available for that show, that is a very good Vault release.

    Soldier Field was nice because it was upgrade off the tinny and shallow MONO-FM releases.  It was a huge bummer that it was incomplete.  
    Bellingham was played years ago on Sirius radio when the PJ channel launched. People recorded it, and it’s been available on PJ bootleg sites since.
    I don't recall there being lossless copies, my recollection was it being broadcast a few months before, in any event the it was not a show that been stumbling around for decades. 
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  • RS151862RS151862 Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,622
    PB11041 said:
    RS151862 said:
    PB11041 said:
    RS151862 said:
    RS151862 said:
    I worry that they’ll just go for another easy release and do Berlin 96. 
    Which releases have been "easy releases" ?
    Vegas, bellingham, soldier field and Missoula all had been previously mixed and released in some form. To me the idea of the vault is to release an rare gem that wasn’t widely available. 
    Bellingham?  It had two tracks released across the Light Years singles variations.  That was a good release.  While there has always been a very nice audience recording available for that show, that is a very good Vault release.

    Soldier Field was nice because it was upgrade off the tinny and shallow MONO-FM releases.  It was a huge bummer that it was incomplete.  
    Bellingham was played years ago on Sirius radio when the PJ channel launched. People recorded it, and it’s been available on PJ bootleg sites since.
    I don't recall there being lossless copies, my recollection was it being broadcast a few months before, in any event the it was not a show that been stumbling around for decades. 
    I just meant the band had previously made the show available, making it an easy choice. I’m hoping in the future they’re more creative with their choices. 
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 8,956
    PB11041 said:
    RS151862 said:
    RS151862 said:
    I worry that they’ll just go for another easy release and do Berlin 96. 
    Which releases have been "easy releases" ?
    Vegas, bellingham, soldier field and Missoula all had been previously mixed and released in some form. To me the idea of the vault is to release an rare gem that wasn’t widely available. 
    Bellingham?  It had two tracks released across the Light Years singles variations.  That was a good release.  While there has always been a very nice audience recording available for that show, that is a very good Vault release.

    Soldier Field was nice because it was upgrade off the tinny and shallow MONO-FM releases.  It was a huge bummer that it was incomplete.  
    I was excited for soldier field for that reason. But when the vault actually came out I was disappointed that the quality was still sub-par compared to other releases. I pretty much never listen to it for that reason, there's so many other live shows out there with near perfect recordings, that one just doesn't do anything for me.
  • PB11041PB11041 Earth Posts: 2,759
    RS151862 said:
    PB11041 said:
    RS151862 said:
    PB11041 said:
    RS151862 said:
    RS151862 said:
    I worry that they’ll just go for another easy release and do Berlin 96. 
    Which releases have been "easy releases" ?
    Vegas, bellingham, soldier field and Missoula all had been previously mixed and released in some form. To me the idea of the vault is to release an rare gem that wasn’t widely available. 
    Bellingham?  It had two tracks released across the Light Years singles variations.  That was a good release.  While there has always been a very nice audience recording available for that show, that is a very good Vault release.

    Soldier Field was nice because it was upgrade off the tinny and shallow MONO-FM releases.  It was a huge bummer that it was incomplete.  
    Bellingham was played years ago on Sirius radio when the PJ channel launched. People recorded it, and it’s been available on PJ bootleg sites since.
    I don't recall there being lossless copies, my recollection was it being broadcast a few months before, in any event the it was not a show that been stumbling around for decades. 
    I just meant the band had previously made the show available, making it an easy choice. I’m hoping in the future they’re more creative with their choices. 
    Understood.  I do think from their standpoint, that particular show they felt good about it being unique and worth being on vinyl, I still find it to be with the two 1998 shows, the better ones.  Constitution Hall, people forget, originally that was going to be the live 1998 release.  It was rumored they had recorded the whole show and were assembling it for a live release.  Then they cobbled together a more "highlights" live record instead.


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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,473
    edited January 2019
    NewJPage said:
    I think I read an article where jeff said he was going through shows for it
    Yeah, I think I remember seeing or hearing the same thing... Pretty sure Jeff said it in an interview at some point actually. Although after that it started feeling like they were at least sometimes choosing them as a reaction to unofficial bootlegged vinyl, i.e. release an official version to foil the bootleggers were released an illegal boot. Weren't the last two vaults like that?
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,473
    edited January 2019
    rummy said:
    I'd be cool with a "Live in Two Legs" type release for the '96 tour if having complete shows is an issue.
    Oh man. Absolutely
    That would be awesome, but I wouldn't want it to actually be a vault release. They simply need to release another live compilation album. It's been 8 years since the last one, and the last one wasn't very good.
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  • PB11041PB11041 Earth Posts: 2,759
    NewJPage said:
    PB11041 said:
    PB11041 said:
    RS151862 said:
    RS151862 said:
    I worry that they’ll just go for another easy release and do Berlin 96. 
    Which releases have been "easy releases" ?
    Vegas, bellingham, soldier field and Missoula all had been previously mixed and released in some form. To me the idea of the vault is to release an rare gem that wasn’t widely available. 
    Bellingham?  It had two tracks released across the Light Years singles variations.  That was a good release.  While there has always been a very nice audience recording available for that show, that is a very good Vault release.

    Soldier Field was nice because it was upgrade off the tinny and shallow MONO-FM releases.  It was a huge bummer that it was incomplete.  
    I have a hard time with incomplete shows. They should pick something else to release if a show has to be incomplete IMO.
    if they went this route you are not getting anything prior to 2000 most likely then.  Even 9.19.98 is technically incomplete.  
    93 vault is complete 
    Never claimed it wasn't.  I am just going by the facts that Brett Eliason himself has provided and others have confirmed.  Most of the show recording on multi-track began in the fall of 1993 (note - most, not all, before anyone says BUT Drop in the Park) they added more and more tracking as touring continued, but ultimately up until the 2000 tour, Brett had multiple responsibilities, and recording the shows on multi track was not priority number 1.  
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  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,295
    PB11041 said:
    NewJPage said:
    PB11041 said:
    PB11041 said:
    RS151862 said:
    RS151862 said:
    I worry that they’ll just go for another easy release and do Berlin 96. 
    Which releases have been "easy releases" ?
    Vegas, bellingham, soldier field and Missoula all had been previously mixed and released in some form. To me the idea of the vault is to release an rare gem that wasn’t widely available. 
    Bellingham?  It had two tracks released across the Light Years singles variations.  That was a good release.  While there has always been a very nice audience recording available for that show, that is a very good Vault release.

    Soldier Field was nice because it was upgrade off the tinny and shallow MONO-FM releases.  It was a huge bummer that it was incomplete.  
    I have a hard time with incomplete shows. They should pick something else to release if a show has to be incomplete IMO.
    if they went this route you are not getting anything prior to 2000 most likely then.  Even 9.19.98 is technically incomplete.  
    93 vault is complete 
    Never claimed it wasn't.  I am just going by the facts that Brett Eliason himself has provided and others have confirmed.  Most of the show recording on multi-track began in the fall of 1993 (note - most, not all, before anyone says BUT Drop in the Park) they added more and more tracking as touring continued, but ultimately up until the 2000 tour, Brett had multiple responsibilities, and recording the shows on multi track was not priority number 1.  
    Understood, but I haven't seen anywhere where it is said most pre 2000 shows are incomplete. May have missed it though 
    6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/16
  • PB11041PB11041 Earth Posts: 2,759
    NewJPage said:
    PB11041 said:
    NewJPage said:
    PB11041 said:
    93 vault is complete 
    Never claimed it wasn't.  I am just going by the facts that Brett Eliason himself has provided and others have confirmed.  Most of the show recording on multi-track began in the fall of 1993 (note - most, not all, before anyone says BUT Drop in the Park) they added more and more tracking as touring continued, but ultimately up until the 2000 tour, Brett had multiple responsibilities, and recording the shows on multi track was not priority number 1.  
    Understood, but I haven't seen anywhere where it is said most pre 2000 shows are incomplete. May have missed it though 

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  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,295
    PB11041 said:
    NewJPage said:
    PB11041 said:
    NewJPage said:
    PB11041 said:
    93 vault is complete 
    Never claimed it wasn't.  I am just going by the facts that Brett Eliason himself has provided and others have confirmed.  Most of the show recording on multi-track began in the fall of 1993 (note - most, not all, before anyone says BUT Drop in the Park) they added more and more tracking as touring continued, but ultimately up until the 2000 tour, Brett had multiple responsibilities, and recording the shows on multi track was not priority number 1.  
    Understood, but I haven't seen anywhere where it is said most pre 2000 shows are incomplete. May have missed it though 

    I've read that. It doesn't say anything about most shows being incomplete. It says in 98 there were issues with tape lengths and tape flipping. 
    6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/16
  • PB11041PB11041 Earth Posts: 2,759
    NewJPage said:
    PB11041 said:
    NewJPage said:
    PB11041 said:
    NewJPage said:
    PB11041 said:
    93 vault is complete 
    Never claimed it wasn't.  I am just going by the facts that Brett Eliason himself has provided and others have confirmed.  Most of the show recording on multi-track began in the fall of 1993 (note - most, not all, before anyone says BUT Drop in the Park) they added more and more tracking as touring continued, but ultimately up until the 2000 tour, Brett had multiple responsibilities, and recording the shows on multi track was not priority number 1.  
    Understood, but I haven't seen anywhere where it is said most pre 2000 shows are incomplete. May have missed it though 

    I've read that. It doesn't say anything about most shows being incomplete. It says in 98 there were issues with tape lengths and tape flipping. 
    I think you are taking a fairly conservative reading of that.  Going by some basic facts alone - Orpheum theater tape issues with animal & go and IGaF on the tail end.  DC 1998 tape ran out on Push Me Pull Me and Ledbetter.  Even in 2000 at Bellingham they had an issue with one song on a tour they were planning on releasing every show from eventually.   The entirety of the encore not being on ADAT multi track at Soldier Field.  

    There is an Eliason quote (or perhaps it was Burton) elsewhere I am trying to dig up where they explicitly state, we have gaps, big and small in most shows prior to the 2000 tour.


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  • dreamcodedreamcode Posts: 165
    I guess PJ are in the clear and can’t be blamed further if they release shows that are as complete as possible - read all complete tracks recorded at a certain show also released on the vault. Hasn’t that been the case with the vault so far?
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,473
    dreamcode said:
    I guess PJ are in the clear and can’t be blamed further if they release shows that are as complete as possible - read all complete tracks recorded at a certain show also released on the vault. Hasn’t that been the case with the vault so far?
    I know at least one was intentionally edited because Eddie was talking about his ex-wife or something like that.
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  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,295
    dreamcode said:
    I guess PJ are in the clear and can’t be blamed further if they release shows that are as complete as possible - read all complete tracks recorded at a certain show also released on the vault. Hasn’t that been the case with the vault so far?
    #1 missing baba
    #2 complete
    #3 missing half of push me pull me, Ledbetter
    #4 missing dead man
    #5 complete
    #6 complete
    #7 missing encore (lp only)
    #8 complete (I think...dont have it yet)
    6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/16
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,632
    NewJPage said:
    dreamcode said:
    I guess PJ are in the clear and can’t be blamed further if they release shows that are as complete as possible - read all complete tracks recorded at a certain show also released on the vault. Hasn’t that been the case with the vault so far?
    #1 missing baba
    #2 complete
    #3 missing half of push me pull me, Ledbetter
    #4 missing dead man
    #5 complete
    #6 complete
    #7 missing encore (lp only)
    #8 complete (I think...dont have it yet)
    Thank you!  #4 missing Dead Man really makes me want a 98 Australia show.  Possibly Perth.  He busted out Dead Man in the middle of the show. 
  • JammalamboJammalambo Posts: 1,321
    edited January 2019
    NewJPage said:
    dreamcode said:
    I guess PJ are in the clear and can’t be blamed further if they release shows that are as complete as possible - read all complete tracks recorded at a certain show also released on the vault. Hasn’t that been the case with the vault so far?
    #1 missing baba
    #2 complete
    #3 missing half of push me pull me, Ledbetter
    #4 missing dead man
    #5 complete
    #6 complete
    #7 missing encore (lp only)
    #8 complete (I think...dont have it yet)
    #5 is missing the My Way cover sung by that Elvis impersonator at the end of the show, I wonder why they haven't included it since there was a good recording of it on the 1995 xmas single.
    Dead Man from #4 was included on the SBD version broadcasted on Sirius, and again I don't understand why it wasn't included on the actual Vault, I just remember (been a long time since I listened to it) it ending in a 'strange' way, kinda like Ed's forgetting or fuckin up with the final instrumental outro, but the song was basically complete, it wasn't by any mean something that ruined the performance of the song (let's not forget this band left untouched the trainwreck that was Satans Bed on the State College 2003 boot, but then again they completely edited out Come Back from Edmonton 2011, and that was also more funny than bad).
    I think, between tape problems and the band (Ed, mostly) sometimes being not cool with releasing specific portions of show, these Vault shows are often likely to be cut somehow.
    Post edited by Jammalambo on
  • Shumway35Shumway35 Milton, Ontario Posts: 324
    rummy said:
    I'd be cool with a "Live in Two Legs" type release for the '96 tour if having complete shows is an issue.
    Agreed ! LO2L is my favorite non - studio album. Still remembering getting it for Christmas 
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  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,295
    NewJPage said:
    dreamcode said:
    I guess PJ are in the clear and can’t be blamed further if they release shows that are as complete as possible - read all complete tracks recorded at a certain show also released on the vault. Hasn’t that been the case with the vault so far?
    #1 missing baba
    #2 complete
    #3 missing half of push me pull me, Ledbetter
    #4 missing dead man
    #5 complete
    #6 complete
    #7 missing encore (lp only)
    #8 complete (I think...dont have it yet)
    #5 is missing the My Way cover sung by that Elvis impersonator at the end of the show, I wonder why they haven't included it since there was a good recording of it on the 1995 xmas single.
    Dead Man from #4 was included on the SBD version broadcasted on Sirius, and again I don't understand why it wasn't included on the actual Vault, I just remember (been a long time since I listened to it) it ending in a 'strange' way, kinda like Ed's forgetting or fuckin up with the final instrumental outro, but the song was basically complete, it wasn't by any mean something that ruined the performance of the song (let's not forget this band left untouched the trainwreck that was Satans Bed on the State College 2003 boot, but then again they completely edited out Come Back from Edmonton 2011, and that was also more funny than bad).
    I think, between tape problems and the band (Ed, mostly) sometimes being not cool with releasing specific portions of show, these Vault shows are often likely to be cut somehow.
    Santos or somebody said my way was actually during the opening act, not the encore 
    6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/16
  • PB11041PB11041 Earth Posts: 2,759
    NewJPage said:
    dreamcode said:
    I guess PJ are in the clear and can’t be blamed further if they release shows that are as complete as possible - read all complete tracks recorded at a certain show also released on the vault. Hasn’t that been the case with the vault so far?
    #1 missing baba
    #2 complete
    #3 missing half of push me pull me, Ledbetter
    #4 missing dead man
    #5 complete
    #6 complete
    #7 missing encore (lp only)
    #8 complete (I think...dont have it yet)
    #5 is missing the My Way cover sung by that Elvis impersonator at the end of the show, I wonder why they haven't included it since there was a good recording of it on the 1995 xmas single.
    Dead Man from #4 was included on the SBD version broadcasted on Sirius, and again I don't understand why it wasn't included on the actual Vault, I just remember (been a long time since I listened to it) it ending in a 'strange' way, kinda like Ed's forgetting or fuckin up with the final instrumental outro, but the song was basically complete, it wasn't by any mean something that ruined the performance of the song (let's not forget this band left untouched the trainwreck that was Satans Bed on the State College 2003 boot, but then again they completely edited out Come Back from Edmonton 2011, and that was also more funny than bad).
    I think, between tape problems and the band (Ed, mostly) sometimes being not cool with releasing specific portions of show, these Vault shows are often likely to be cut somehow.
    Dead Man faded out because over 2 full minutes are missing.  I have the audience boot.  The band/TC has said they didn't like how the transition sounded and lopped it off.   For formatting purposes on 3 LPs, lopping off an incomplete song is not a big deal.
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  • JammalamboJammalambo Posts: 1,321
    NewJPage said:
    NewJPage said:
    dreamcode said:
    I guess PJ are in the clear and can’t be blamed further if they release shows that are as complete as possible - read all complete tracks recorded at a certain show also released on the vault. Hasn’t that been the case with the vault so far?
    #1 missing baba
    #2 complete
    #3 missing half of push me pull me, Ledbetter
    #4 missing dead man
    #5 complete
    #6 complete
    #7 missing encore (lp only)
    #8 complete (I think...dont have it yet)
    #5 is missing the My Way cover sung by that Elvis impersonator at the end of the show, I wonder why they haven't included it since there was a good recording of it on the 1995 xmas single.
    Dead Man from #4 was included on the SBD version broadcasted on Sirius, and again I don't understand why it wasn't included on the actual Vault, I just remember (been a long time since I listened to it) it ending in a 'strange' way, kinda like Ed's forgetting or fuckin up with the final instrumental outro, but the song was basically complete, it wasn't by any mean something that ruined the performance of the song (let's not forget this band left untouched the trainwreck that was Satans Bed on the State College 2003 boot, but then again they completely edited out Come Back from Edmonton 2011, and that was also more funny than bad).
    I think, between tape problems and the band (Ed, mostly) sometimes being not cool with releasing specific portions of show, these Vault shows are often likely to be cut somehow.
    Santos or somebody said my way was actually during the opening act, not the encore 
    Good to know, I didn't know it.
    PB11041 said:
    NewJPage said:
    dreamcode said:
    I guess PJ are in the clear and can’t be blamed further if they release shows that are as complete as possible - read all complete tracks recorded at a certain show also released on the vault. Hasn’t that been the case with the vault so far?
    #1 missing baba
    #2 complete
    #3 missing half of push me pull me, Ledbetter
    #4 missing dead man
    #5 complete
    #6 complete
    #7 missing encore (lp only)
    #8 complete (I think...dont have it yet)
    #5 is missing the My Way cover sung by that Elvis impersonator at the end of the show, I wonder why they haven't included it since there was a good recording of it on the 1995 xmas single.
    Dead Man from #4 was included on the SBD version broadcasted on Sirius, and again I don't understand why it wasn't included on the actual Vault, I just remember (been a long time since I listened to it) it ending in a 'strange' way, kinda like Ed's forgetting or fuckin up with the final instrumental outro, but the song was basically complete, it wasn't by any mean something that ruined the performance of the song (let's not forget this band left untouched the trainwreck that was Satans Bed on the State College 2003 boot, but then again they completely edited out Come Back from Edmonton 2011, and that was also more funny than bad).
    I think, between tape problems and the band (Ed, mostly) sometimes being not cool with releasing specific portions of show, these Vault shows are often likely to be cut somehow.
    Dead Man faded out because over 2 full minutes are missing.  I have the audience boot.  The band/TC has said they didn't like how the transition sounded and lopped it off.   For formatting purposes on 3 LPs, lopping off an incomplete song is not a big deal.
    As I said, been a long time since I listened to it. I have the AUD source too, will check it out. Just a pity that happened during the most interesting song of the set (not saying the rest of the show is bad).
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